Pear backs out of the cable challenge

WilliamM2

treitz3 wrote: »

...and if they did it would be like Coca-cola giving away their patented recipe for Coke. Not to mention, there would be a swarm of anti Hi-Fi insurgents like yourself and Randi ready, willing, but not able to defunct the fact that Coke in a double blind test actually does not taste like Pepsi. I have actually had the pleasure of tasting a Rum and Coke when testing a Pepsi, but that's a secret I won't let out of the bag either.

I'm not talking about company secrets. I'm talking about the general design behind audio cables. When the measurements show that the differences between two cables are well below what what the human ear can detect, what makes them sound different? The general answer is that we don't know how or what to measure for. And that may be so, but then how do they "design" the cable?

jakelm

:eek:

a_mattison wrote: »

All I"m saying is... I don't understand cable design, but have heard the difference in IC's with my ears. I have not been so convinced with speaker cables, but I'm not going to tell somebody else they can't hear a difference. I'll save my money on speaker cables and buy some decent IC's to play with. Others should be encouraged to experiement on their own.

oooooohhhhhhhh....so its you who doesnt understand cable design......:o:p


Now I see...:eek::eek:

Lowell_M

:rolleyes:BaggedLancer has a pile of Monster cables for sale in the FM if anybody's looking for some...:D

Lowell_M

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I'm not talking about company secrets. I'm talking about the general design behind audio cables. When the measurements show that the differences between two cables are well below what what the human ear can detect, what makes them sound different? The general answer is that we don't know how or what to measure for. And that may be so, but then how do they "design" the cable?

Companies all over the world spend millions of dollars measuring the wrong thing to control product attributes that, in reality, have no effect on the attribute. Thus the millions of $'s spent on training engineers in 6-sigma design and DOE.

jakelm

a_mattison wrote: »

:rolleyes:BaggedLancer has a pile of Monster cables for sale in the FM if anybody's looking for some...:D

I just saw that thread...I couldnt help but start laughing...

That was too funny to see this thread and that one right next to each other...

treitz3

WilliamM2 wrote: »

but then how do they "design" the cable?

That is the most intelligent question so far in this thread. Good on ya'.

Maybe this should be the topic of another thread.

Lowell_M

jakelm wrote: »

I just saw that thread...I couldnt help but start laughing...

That was too funny to see this thread and that one right next to each other...

I must end my contributions to the cable debate for tonight. (and maybe forever... this is tiring) Good luck.......:cool:

Lowell_M

treitz3 wrote: »

That is the most intelligent question so far in this thread. Good on ya'.

Maybe this should be the topic of another thread.

That would actually be an interesting thread if there is anybody in the know...rather than a debate that has no ending.

jakelm

Great, Debate, but its Late, so I'll Wait, for a later Date

jakelm

dorokusai wrote: »

I don't think laughing at another members FS thread is that cool. I believe in cables, and you'll find no Monster Cable fan here but I'm not going to bag or frag someone else's sale if its legit. Not everyone cares about cables....hmmm, isn't that the gist of some of this thread? It might be just what someone is looking for.

OMG...are you serious Doro??

You think I was laughing at his thread? I was laughing at this crazy debate we are having ,,,then to see a FS thread about cables..right next to it, when I hit "new post".

I have never, in the 3 years and almost 2,000 post that I have been here, and will never, discredit, or make fun of anyones thread.

RuSsMaN

Ed Zachry, lets all try to keep it out of the FS threads. There is room and leniency for some fun and yuks, but someone might be trying to pay some bills, so lets trykeep it on topic in the FM.

No harm, no foul Jake - this is for the board, not you.

Cheers,
Russ

heiney9

RuSsMaN wrote: »

Ed Zachry, keep it out of the FS threads. There is room and leniency for some fun and yuks, but someone might be trying to pay some bills, so lets keep it on topic in the FM. . No harm, no foul Jake - this is for the board, not you.

Cheers,
Russ

......edited after longer reflection......

H9

dorokusai

jakelm wrote: »

OMG...are you serious Doro??

You think I was laughing at his thread? I was laughing at this crazy debate we are having ,,,then to see a FS thread about cables..right next to it, when I hit "new post".

I have never, in the 3 years and almost 2,000 post that I have been here, and will never, discredit, or make fun of anyones thread.

That's how I read it, no problem, understood.

jakelm

dorokusai wrote: »

That's how I read it, no problem, understood.

Cool:D

RuSsMaN

Heiney, I edited out the rules, and some of my post - It's not THAT big a deal, and I didn't want it to seem as such.

Let's just all have fun, and make it the board it has been, still is, and can become.

heiney9

RuSsMaN wrote: »

Heiney, I edited out the rules, and some of my post - It's not THAT big a deal, and I didn't want it to seem as such.

Let's just all have fun, and make it the board it has been, still is, and can become.

Gottcha......fixed your quote.

PolkThug

RuSsMaN wrote: »

Let's just all have fun, and make it the board it has been, still is, and can become.

Now you're gonna get tasered. Say hello to Dr. Watts!

dorokusai

Don't tase me bro'!

dudeinaroom

dkg999 wrote: »

I'm with Russman, it all sounds the same! Nothing makes a difference, cables, power cords, tubes, d/a converters, internal wiring, capacitors, etc. I just buy the crap because it looks cool Most of the time I just sit and look at my system

+900000000000. Now those little pebbles that's where it's at. You don't have to spend big bucks either, just find the nearest dirt roar and pick up a hand full. I put one on the top of each of my speakers. They dig 10 hz deeper, and when they fall in front of the woofers, you can really feel the music. They do add a little graininess

treitz3

dudeinaroom wrote: »

They do add a little graininess

<drum beat> Ba da Bang!

Absolutely NO pun intended, right?

engtaz

a_mattison wrote: »

Thus the millions of $'s spent on training engineers in 6-sigma design and DOE.

That sure is the truth.

engtaz

jdhdiggs

6 sigma, DOE? Already outdated concepts, unfortuantely most of US manufacturing is about 5-10 years behind in these regards, but that's for a whole different thread.

As for talking about cable design, it would be virtually impossible around here as you'd have maybe 5 people who could speak somewhat intelligently about the physics, metallurgy, etc... of the cables and most of them would avoid it like the plague (no, I'm not one of them, but I would recognize the concepts if not the mathematics). The real trick would be seperating the fact from fiction. Some cable companies talk about real issues but ignore whether or not it affects audio frequencies. Others just make crap up that sounds like physics and people take it as gospel. In the end it will get into the same shouting match every cable thread brings.

Hell, most people still haven't figured out Ohms law and power equations, let alone how RLC values would affect the sound and you would want to start asking about how using OFC Cu vs Ag would affect the signal? Yikes!

dorokusai

I wasn't aware that the bulk of the forum was so stupid compared to you James. I'll just go eat my applesauce then.

dudeinaroom

treitz3 wrote: »

<drum beat> Ba da Bang!

Absolutely NO pun intended, right?

Oh, absolutely not:D

Ricardo

jdhdiggs wrote: »

Hell, most people still haven't figured out Ohms law and power equations, let alone how RLC values would affect the sound and you would want to start asking about how using OFC Cu vs Ag would affect the signal? Yikes!

Damn; and I thought that I was enjoying the sounds coming out of my system. Back to square one, but be cool. After I learn all those formulas THEN I will really appreciate what I have. Thanks!!!

shack

jdhdiggs wrote: »

As for talking about cable design, it would be virtually impossible around here as you'd have maybe 5 people who could speak somewhat intelligently about the physics, metallurgy, etc... of the cables and most of them would avoid it like the plague (no, I'm not one of them, but I would recognize the concepts if not the mathematics).

Hell, most people still haven't figured out Ohms law and power equations, let alone how RLC values would affect the sound and you would want to start asking about how using OFC Cu vs Ag would affect the signal? Yikes!

Yeah...but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express on SEVERAL OCCASIONS. Top that science boy.:rolleyes:

I may not know the ingredients or how to bake a chocolate cake....but I know when it tastes good and when it doesn't.

jakelm

All I know is , my black, eletrical tape wrapped, coat hangers work very well.

But the tape has to be black. The blue and red tape didnt sound as good.

jakelm

shack wrote: »

Yeah...but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express on SEVERAL OCCASIONS. Top that science boy.:rolleyes:

I may not know the ingredients or how to bake a chocolate cake....but I know when it tastes good and when it doesn't.

Same Express I stayed in.

I like to bake my cake and eat it too.

PolkThug

jakelm wrote: »

All I know is , my black, eletrical tape wrapped, coat hangers work very well.

But the tape has to be black. The blue and red tape didnt sound as good.

I found that the black tape lowered the noise floor, blue tape sounded cool and red tape sounded a bit warm. When blindfolded, I couldn't distinguish the differences in tape, but thats ok because I know that the validitiy of ABX testing is a myth perpetuated by scientists.

jakelm

PolkThug wrote: »

I found that the black tape lowered the noise floor, blue tape sounded cool and red tape sounded a bit warm. When blindfolded, I couldn't distinguish the differences in tape, but thats ok because I know that the validitiy of ABX testing is a myth perpetuated by scientists.

LMAO>....:p:p


Its so cool now since I'm alittle smarter. I get the jokes right away....

...closer and closer to that top 5...whatch out everyone....