Pear backs out of the cable challenge

dkg999

I asked the pretty little waitress at Hooters in Schaumburg tonight if cables mattered? She said as long as they are soft enough that they don't leave marks, they're pretty much all the same




















HTG ........... that was her answer

dorokusai

That's my kind of lady.

dkg999

She also said if you drove 16 hrs in a diaper to give her a hug ...... she'd hug you back! She also said something about pictures and a youtube posting, but I was watching something else and had male selective hearing at that point

hearingimpared

dkg999 wrote: »

and had male selective hearing at that point

. . . and that is the hearing that the cable matters naysayers dispute.;):D

jakelm

It is all personal preference. I know that.

But as a seller (which I know we are not). How do you sell a cable?

Do you put a meter + at one end and the - at the other, of a 3' cable and go "see..only .0000004 ohms of resistance, The other guy has .0000005 ohms resistance, Mine has 1/8" shielding, the other guy had 1/16" sheilding".... ??

They, like all other electronic manufacturs, have to have thier "white" paper to show something, right?

It cant be just "mine is better than yours, because I said so"?

I know and uderstand where all of you are coming from. Once we get it in our homes , it is purely preference.

Repeat..lol: :D
I know and understand it where all of you are coming from. Once we get it in our homes, its purely preference.

But how did you all choose the cable to begin with? You said "oh what the hel, I'll try this one now"?

My Oppo came with a slinky , thin HDMI cable. I hooked it up for a few weeks, then caught the updrade bug. Went to BB and bought (yeah, I'll say it...lol) MONSTER HDMI cable for $145.:mad::mad: What a complete waste of time and money. There was no difference between the cheap Oppo HDMI and the "highly rated" MONSTER HDMI.

So how do you choose without having to buy every cable on the market?

WilliamM2

But as a seller (which I know we are not). How do you sell a cable?

I've always wondered how manufacturers design the cables. No one seems to know what makes one cable sound better than another, yet they continue to "design" new and even better sounding cables year afer year.

jakelm

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I've always wondered how manufacturers design the cables. No one seems to know what makes one cable sound better than another, yet they continue to "design" new and even better sounding cables year afer year.

I can understand if we were running50-100' of cable, then yes, but 3-6'?
If the signal gets from point A to point B with no degridation and no ground issues, then do we really need $7000 cables?

That has to be sold to someone who just wants a $7000 cable.




...I'm sorry I just still cant get over $7000 cables....

Lowell_M

Do the BMW engineers explain to you why their car is better than a Chevrolet? No.... It just is. You (or most people) wouldn't understand why it's better anyway. Same thing with cables. There are physics issues involved that are far beyond the normal persons understanding when considering the transmission of the analog sound signal.

treitz3

....and you can take that to the bank.

jakelm

a_mattison wrote: »

Do the BMW engineers explain to you why their car is better than a Chevrolet? No.... It just is. You (or most people) wouldn't understand why it's better anyway. Same thing with cables. There are physics issues involved that are far beyond the normal persons understanding when considering the transmission of the analog sound signal.

Yes BMW, tells us in every commercial.

So does every other manufactur.

Except cable manufacturs.

Dont play me stupid with this "it just is" , BS.:mad:

"why is yours better Johnny?.."...."uuuuhh welll...it just is"

And I'm not an idiot when it comes to cables or electronics.


Its already proven that the "cable" industry is the most over priced, most overly hyped industry in the electronic market.

Yes....even more so than the auto market.:p

WilliamM2

a_mattison wrote: »

Do the BMW engineers explain to you why their car is better than a Chevrolet? No.... It just is. You (or most people) wouldn't understand why it's better anyway. Same thing with cables. There are physics issues involved that are far beyond the normal persons understanding when considering the transmission of the analog sound signal.

That's a ridiculous analogy. The difference between a Chevy and a BMW, whichever is better, can be easily demonstrated, 0-60 times, G-force, braking distances. There is no mystery to how cars perform.

I would love to know what these "physics issues" are with cable? Since science doesn't seem to know about them yet.

jdhdiggs

Wath yourself williamm2, you left off "at audio frequencies" from your physics issues.

treitz3

jakelm wrote: »

And I'm not an idiot when it comes to cables or electronics.

I believe that wasn't what he was trying to say. What he was trying to say is that physics plays a small to large roll when it comes to cables. The end result is the only thing one should be concerned with unless you are R/D'n a new cable is the end result. Is it pleasing to your ears?

jakelm

Im sorry ...I forgot to take Rocket Sience before buying a RCA cable.....:p


...since its sooo way over my head..

I mean all those parts that make up a cable. There must be a trillion....:rolleyes:

WilliamM2

jdhdiggs wrote: »

Wath yourself williamm2, you left off "at audio frequencies" from your physics issues.

Well, since we were talking about audio cables, I assumed it was audio cables he was refering to. But you are correct.

heiney9

WilliamM2 wrote: »

That's a ridiculous analogy.

Actually that's a great analogy. Germans call it teutonic engineering. You could put me in a Japanese car, German car and American car and I could tell you the difference blind-folded (metaphorically).

Each auto manufacturer, regardless of stats, has it's own distinct feeling and personality. This is the exact reason I've owned German cars my whole life. There is something there that just can't be measured on paper. It's the way all the parts are put together that makes it different.

H9

Lowell_M

You are both wrong. Sound is the analogy to your 0-60 and braking, which is what we all claim to hear a difference in. BMW heat treats they steel different, machines to tighter tolerances, has a tighter quality system, etc. That is the part that you don't understand. Tell me why a BMW brakes better than a Chevrolet... go ahead.

You are defending something that you simply don't understand. If you can't hear a difference, fine. There is no reason to discourage people from trying cables to see for themselves. I just drove a BMW for the first time the other day, and can definately tell the difference in feel and sound. It's no wonder they charge a lot more for their cars.

jakelm

Ok..

I understand..

I just thought I'de throw my questions out.

I see the only answer is. "If you like it keep it". In which that answer is fully understandable.

I just thought someone had evedince that cable A was better than cable B, other than "it just is".

Lowell_M

heiney9 wrote: »

Actually that's a great analogy. Germans call it teutonic engineering. You could put me in a Japanese car, German car and American car and I could tell you the difference blind-folded (metaphorically).

Each auto manufacturer, regardless of stats, has it's own distinct feeling and personality. This is the exact reason I've owned German cars my whole life. There is something there that just can't be measured on paper. It's the way all the parts are put together that makes it different.

H9

Now there is a double-blind test that woudl be interesting...:rolleyes:

dorokusai

Automotive comparisons to anything audio is ridiculous. Just because it makes sense in one aspect doesn't automatically make it applicable to the next subject.

Lowell_M

jakelm wrote: »

Ok..

I understand..

I just thought I'de throw my questions out.

I see the only answer is. "If you like it keep it". In which that answer is fully understandable.

I just thought someone had evedince that cable A was better than cable B, other than "it just is".

8 or 9 years ago I coudl have made an attempt to come up with some kind of theory. I'm far to removed from physics academia at this point to even try. (Thus my statement of "physics issues") I'm just trying to make a point that there is more to cable design than inductance and resistance, etc. that the major population doesn't understand.

jakelm

a_mattison wrote: »

You are both wrong. Sound is the analogy to your 0-60 and braking, which is what we all claim to hear a difference in. BMW heat treats they steel different, machines to tighter tolerances, has a tighter quality system, etc. That is the part that you don't understand. Tell me why a BMW brakes better than a Chevrolet... go ahead.

You are defending something that you simply don't understand. If you can't hear a difference, fine. There is no reason to discourage people from trying cables to see for themselves. I just drove a BMW for the first time the other day, and can definately tell the difference in feel and sound. It's no wonder they charge a lot more for their cars.

The explanation of heating steel or tourque used to tighten a bolt is not unexplainable.

A car can be explained why it is better. Weather, over my head or not, it can be explained.

Cables are much simpler design, with much fewer parts, yet cant be explained. Thats where I'm confused.

WilliamM2

You are both wrong. Sound is the analogy to your 0-60 and braking, which is what we all claim to hear a difference in.

But the 0-60 can be demonstrated easily, again and again. Why hasn't anyone been able to do the same with cables just once? Like I said, poor analogy.

You are defending something that you simply don't understand.

I'm not defending anything. Apparently you don't understand what you are defending, or at least you seem unable to explain it.

hearingimpared

a_mattison wrote: »

Do the BMW engineers explain to you why their car is better than a Chevrolet? No.... It just is. You (or most people) wouldn't understand why it's better anyway. Same thing with cables. There are physics issues involved that are far beyond the normal persons understanding when considering the transmission of the analog sound signal.

Add to that any R & D that was done and maybe some new formula or technique that makes their product different that the others, that they won't want anyone to know about cause then anyone could make their product.

jakelm

a_mattison wrote: »

8 or 9 years ago I coudl have made an attempt to come up with some kind of theory. I'm far to removed from physics academia at this point to even try. (Thus my statement of "physics issues") I'm just trying to make a point that there is more to cable design than inductance and resistance, etc. that the major population doesn't understand.

My friend, I think you and I being here in this beautiful Club Polk forum, tells that we can get alittle scientific without worrying about going over everyones head's.

We are not the "majority" population here. I think we, for the most part, (and please no offence) are electronic nerds, (some more nerdy that others...lol), who can get alittle more detailed about something like cables. Agree?

treitz3

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I've always wondered how manufacturers design the cables. No one seems to know what makes one cable sound better than another, yet they continue to "design" new and even better sounding cables year afer year.

...and if they did it would be like Coca-cola giving away their patented recipe for Coke. Not to mention, there would be a swarm of anti Hi-Fi insurgents like yourself and Randi ready, willing, but not able to defunct the fact that Coke in a double blind test actually does not taste like Pepsi. I have actually had the pleasure of tasting a Rum and Coke when testing a Pepsi, but that's a secret I won't let out of the bag either.

WilliamM2 wrote: »

No one seems to know what makes one cable sound better than another

Incorrect. You have probably already read information such as this, but "in one ear....out the other". Don't worry, we understand. You enjoy what you enjoy, I'll enjoy my Rum and Coke.

jakelm

To hell with it...:eek:

I say we all go optical and forget about it....:eek::eek:

hearingimpared

jakelm wrote: »

Ok..

I understand..

I just thought I'de throw my questions out.

I see the only answer is. "If you like it keep it". In which that answer is fully understandable.

I just thought someone had evedince that cable A was better than cable B, other than "it just is".

You are starting to scare me. You are formatting your replies like the Special one from K. I hope he doesn't actually have you bound in the closet and is sitting in your computer chair!!! EEEEKKKKKKK! MUUUUUUHHHHUUUUHHAAA!!1:D

Lowell_M

All I"m saying is... I don't understand cable design, but have heard the difference in IC's with my ears. I have not been so convinced with speaker cables, but I'm not going to tell somebody else they can't hear a difference. I'll save my money on speaker cables and buy some decent IC's to play with. Others should be encouraged to experiement on their own.

jakelm

treitz3 wrote: »

...and if they did it would be like Coca-cola giving away their patented recipe for Coke. Not to mention, there would be a swarm of anti Hi-Fi insurgents like yourself and Randi ready, willing, but not able to defunct the fact that Coke in a double blind test actually does not taste like Pepsi. I have actually had the pleasure of tasting a Rum and Coke when testing a Pepsi, but that's a secret I won't let out of the bag either.

Now that was funny right there....I dont care who you are, that was funny

Prove that Rum and Coke, does NOT taste like Pepsi....LMAO

Hel I'll do an A/B comparison right now...