Pear backs out of the cable challenge

WilliamM2 · October 2007

Why does he get so upset by all of it?

What makes you think I am upset? Do you see me spewing insults like your marriage comment, and calling people nutjobs?

It sounds more like you are upset.

RuSsMaN · October 2007

All cables sound the same. Just like all tubes, stylus, and d/a converters. They all sound the same, there is no difference. All op-amps sound the same. So do all output transformers, and transistors. Everything sounds the same, are we done?

Next topic.

Lowell_M · October 2007

I'm not upset. I just don't understand what drives you to support Randi with such conviction. Why do you feel the need to so strongly combat the people who feel that cables make a difference?

I feel pretty certain that Bose sucks, but I'm not standing at SAM's club preaching to everybody that Bose doesn't make a difference and they should by the $20 SAM's club stereo. Probably an odd analogy, but the point is, to calm down and try to help people experience the hobby and discover things for themselves.

Yashu · October 2007

Monster's marketing department says they are the best so it must be true.

Pear probably didn't want to give randi a set of cables to review. I mean... seriously... who would want to spend any money or effort on a swindling fraudster? Randi has not come up with a single argument that I have not been able to successfully counter, and I don't even own my own cable company...

WilliamM2 · October 2007

I'm not upset. I just don't understand what drives you to support Randi with such conviction. Why do you feel the need to so strongly combat the people who feel that cables make a difference?

Why do you feel so strongly to combat people who think they don't?

dkg999 · October 2007

I'm with Russman, it all sounds the same! Nothing makes a difference, cables, power cords, tubes, d/a converters, internal wiring, capacitors, etc. I just buy the crap because it looks cool

Most of the time I just sit and look at my system

Ricardo · October 2007

Same here; I'm changing my pre now because it has green lights, and I like blue lights better.

Lowell_M · October 2007

a_mattison wrote: »

...... the point is, to calm down and try to help people experience the hobby and discover things for themselves.

See above....

WilliamM2 · October 2007

a_mattison wrote: »

See above....

I'm quite calm thank you.

jakelm · October 2007

Here are thoughts on this.

If (and yes I said If), cables do make a difference, and someone can physically hear the difference, then that means that something sonically, physically and/or electronically has changed.

Sonically/physically and electronically are the only 2 things that make up "sound". Do we all agree on that?

So if something sonically, physically and/or electronically has been changed, then it CAN be measured. I'm not saying that any one of us has to go out and measure everything. But if a retailer or individual is selling cable for 2-10 times the price of a cheaper name (like Rat Shack or Walmart etc), then yes, before I spend the $$$, I would like to see, what sonic or electrical changes have been changed to give the better (dymanic, ground, or "cleaner" signal) because of the new high $$ cables.

Everything else electronically has been benchmark tested. Tubes, caps, resistors etc.

"This tube sounds better because of this ingredient, or this cap is better because of this ingredient. And here are the results.."

this comment was not made to us hobbiest, but to the person place or thing , thats wants hundreds of $$ for 3' of cable.

Lowell_M · October 2007

I also enjoy blue lights over green lights on my gear. Red lights are just annoying.

shadowofnight · October 2007

dkg999 wrote: »

I just buy the crap because it looks cool Most of the time I just sit and look at my system

Haha...aint that the truth

I got so many speakers here that half of them dont even have cables going to them...but they sure are purrty

hearingimpared · October 2007

I'm gonna puke! Maybe that will be the same as the last time I puked.

jakelm · October 2007

Coat hangers, telephone wires and twist ties....Oh MY!!!!

Sami · October 2007

If Pear or any other "high-end" cable manufacturer can sell some fool thousands worth of cable without any proof it's better than the regular cable, good for them. If one thinks a red car will go faster than a silver car, let them buy the red car.

heiney9 · October 2007

Sami wrote: »

If Pear or any other "high-end" cable manufacturer can sell some fool thousands worth of cable without any proof it's better than the regular cable, good for them. If one thinks a red car will go faster than a silver car, let them buy the red car.

I don't think anyone is a *fool* for wanting to try to hear a difference in cables regardless of cost. The key to the knowledge is trying it in your system, with your music, in your environment. It will either be worth it to you or not. But to dismiss something without even trying it is rather silly as well as trying to garner proof fom someone other than yourself.

The proof isn't in the measurements or in what some audio guru tells you or what the manufacturer claims, it's what you personally experience when taking a serious logical look at the situation.

If you can't prove it to yourself, then return them and move on inyour audio journey.

H9

jakelm · October 2007

heiney9 wrote: »

I don't think anyone is a *fool* for wanting to try to hear a difference in cables regardless of cost. The key to the knowledge is trying it in your system, with your music, in your environment. It will either be worth it to you or not. But to dismiss something without even trying it is rather silly as well as trying to garner proof fom someone other than yourself.

The proof isn't in the measurements or in what some audio guru tells you or what the manufacturer claims, it's what you personally experience when taking a serious logical look at the situation.

If you can't prove it to yourself, then return them and move on inyour audio journey.

H9

H9.

How many of us look at specs before buying....I would bet all of us has at one point.

I do almost every time. Specs dont tell you the whole story...I know that...but they do tell alot of the story

Why should cables be different?

Its the guy next door, with his $10,000 cables, that claim are better than my $100 cables. Thats who I get irritated with. Or a manufactur that boast how great their cables are, with absolutly no proof.

There was a DIY cable building video on CP awhile back, I wish I could find it.

You and I and alot of people are here on this great forum, to help people to not waste time and money.

Some things are just BS

PolkThug · October 2007

I can see the campaign signs, "End cable prejudice now!"

Sami · October 2007

heiney9 wrote: »

If you can't prove it to yourself, then return them and move on inyour audio journey.

I don't see any money back guarantee on their website. It would be foolish to buy a $7250 set of DIY looking speaker cables if you can't get your money back.

heiney9 · October 2007

jakelm wrote: »

H9.

How many of us look at specs before buying....I would bet all of us has at one point.

I do almost every time.

Why should cables be different?

I use specs very loosely because unless you know how they are derived you have no idea what they mean compared to another manufacturer's specs. Perhaps over time you can find some loose correlations but that still entails trial and error listening.

I've heard things that sound wonderful that shouldn't have sounded so nice on paper. All I'm saying is give it a chance in your system and let your ears decide because in this hobby it's only the ears that matter.

H9

heiney9 · October 2007

Sami wrote: »

I don't see any money back guarantee on their website. It would be foolish to buy a $7250 set of DIY looking speaker cables if you can't get your money back.

Fine, move on to cable companies that do have a MBG. Geesh, it's not that hard is it. I'm talking a little bit broader here, not just PEAR cables.

H9

Lowell_M · October 2007

jakelm wrote: »

H9.

How many of us look at specs before buying....I would bet all of us has at one point.

I do almost every time.

Why should cables be different?

The average person on the street would not understand the specs necessary to explain the differences one is hearing in cables. I have a B.S. in Physics and used to be in the cables don't matter camp.

Now, I have since moved on to engineering and marketing, so most of my physics knowledge that would help me understand the wave functions of what is going on isn't in my head anymore, but I can tell you that my recent experience with Signal cable IC's changed my mind that there is something going on with these cables that makes them sound better. I'm not talking about a subtle difference either.

It probably has something to do with the impedance of the cables and a lack of signal reflection from end to end (from a 60,000 foot view) This is really not a researched opinion at all, just a quick thought I pulled out of my ****.

Sami · October 2007

heiney9 wrote: »

Fine, move on to cable companies that do have a MBG. Geesh, it's not that hard is it. I'm talking a little bit broader here, not just PEAR cables.

Sure

dkg999 · October 2007

Wait a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!! Red is the fastest color for cars and motorcycles!!!! That's an undisputed scientific fact.

hearingimpared · October 2007

Sami wrote: »

I don't see any money back guarantee on their website. It would be foolish to buy a $7250 set of DIY looking speaker cables if you can't get your money back.

You would be absolutely correct Sami. . . a person would have to be a complete moronic idiot to buy cables that cost that much that don't have a money back guarantee. As a matter of fact any piece of equipment or tweak that doesn't have a money back guarantee is not even considered by me unless of couse it is used and then I have the option of just reselling it. I would definitly not buy used if I didn't check it out first.

When I had my clamps up for sale, my guarantee was that if they didn't improve the sound of ones turntable, if you don't like the way it works or looks, send it back and I'll give you your money back including one way shipping.

That is how I believe this type of business should be run. That being said, I don't understand why you fellows that are naysayers think we are fools for wanting to try different cables in our rigs?

Sami · October 2007

dkg999 wrote: »

Wait a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!! Red is the fastest color for cars and motorcycles!!!! That's an undisputed scientific fact.

I know. I can definitely feel the difference in a red car but I can't prove it to my friends because they are still as fast as me. But in the end, it only matters what I feel...

jflail2 · October 2007

My cables are crap b/c I was in the "there's no way it can make a difference" camp when I bought all of my equipment.

At this point, I think I'm gonna dig into some nicer cables and hear (or not hear) it for myself. Curiosity kills the wallet I guess, but I have seen A LOT of very knowledgeable persons come to bat for better cables in this forum; to the point that I now cannot resist tempation.

Now I need to find a Polkie that sells better cables so I can support "internal growth".

Lowell_M · October 2007

jflail2 wrote: »

My cables are crap b/c I was in the "there's no way it can make a difference" camp when I bought all of my equipment.

At this point, I think I'm gonna dig into some nicer cables and hear (or not hear) it for myself. Curiosity kills the wallet I guess, but I have seen A LOT of very knowledgeable persons come to bat for better cables in this forum; to the point that I now cannot resist tempation.

Now I need to find a Polkie that sells better cables so I can support "internal growth".

:rolleyes::):D Yay!!!!!!!!!!!! Give it a shot! Hell, if you don't hear a difference, go back to the other cables and sell the expensive ones. Every once in a while somebody is selling some used on the FM. Post a WTB thread and maybe somebody will give you a deal so you can try some out.

Sami · October 2007

hearingimpared wrote: »

That is how I believe this type of business should be run. That being said, I don't understand why you fellows that are naysayers think we are fools for wanting to try different cables in our rigs?

I am not a naysayer as I don't know for one way or another which way it is. Would I like to hear different cables? Sure. Would I hear a difference between two quality cables? Who knows but if I do I shouldn't have trouble proving I do. So why are these people who claim to hear a difference having so much trouble to prove it?

hearingimpared · October 2007

jflail2 wrote: »

My cables are crap b/c I was in the "there's no way it can make a difference" camp when I bought all of my equipment.

At this point, I think I'm gonna dig into some nicer cables and hear (or not hear) it for myself. Curiosity kills the wallet I guess, but I have seen A LOT of very knowledgeable persons come to bat for better cables in this forum; to the point that I now cannot resist tempation.

Now I need to find a Polkie that sells better cables so I can support "internal growth".

Here you go, Ben makes a really nice cable. I have them in my rig.

Pear backs out of the cable challenge

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