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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,194
    edited September 2006
    Who said I did? :confused::p . Because Gravy Train and Bananna's aren't enough to keep us occupied. Our evolution is our curse (sorry I couldn't resist).

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  • MrNightly
    MrNightly Posts: 3,370
    edited September 2006
    Airplay355 wrote:
    Then why the hell do we? lol

    Maybe because we are supposed to care... and dig for the truth?
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited September 2006
    Airplay355 wrote:
    Apes don't have religion (even though we are 98% genetically identical to some of them). Kinda funny how that 2% makes all the difference huh.

    Couple of extra molecules hangin on our genetic code and poof, religion.

    Are you sure they do not have religion?

    Funny how we are always trying to show that we are different from other animals. Maybe that is a better question. Why must we justify our superiority over other species and then seek subservience under another?

    I guess I should stay out of such conversations. :) I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited September 2006
    Bah! Bring the ale and the wenches!
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited September 2006
    Airplay355 wrote:
    ....Well, I have one very simple question, who created their creator?.....so where'd their creator come from?

    Just a quick answer to your initial question.

    The bible speaks of god a number of times as being eternal, or being from everlasting to everlasting. Meaning of course that he has always existed.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,786
    edited September 2006
    MacLeod wrote:
    But for the ultimate test:

    Mrbigbluelight - Can you name at least one Liza Manelli song?


    Uhm...........No !
    So that proves that I ......uh, wait a second. I do know a couple of songs by her mom, Judy Garland.
    "Somewhere over the Rainbow".
    "We're Off to See the Wizard".
    Although, would it be more correct to classify WOTSTW as a "ditty" ?


    BTW, humans and watermelons share 98 % of the same DNA. It's the other 2% that makes the difference.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited September 2006
    mrbigbluelight wrote:
    ......uh, wait a second. I do know a couple of songs by her mom, Judy Garland.
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    Wizard of Oz? What IS your stoping point exactly?!?!?!?!? ;)
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited September 2006
    Last time. "Wanna peel a tomato?"
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited September 2006
    I don't get it George..........splain?
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited September 2006
    brettw22 wrote:
    I don't get it George..........splain?
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    "Wanna peel a tomato?"

    If you have to ask, don't ask.

    .. :)
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited September 2006
    Ya, i wasn't gonna ask, but he's said it a few times and no one's responded to it so i figured since he asked it again he might need/want to explain what he's talkin about.

    STFU already...... ;)
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited September 2006
    I hate tomatoes. No thanks.

    I did like the ale and wenches idea though ;)
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited September 2006
    MrNightly wrote:
    What are the two different ones in the bible? I thought there was only one... creation in the first book...

    Nope there's two:

    Genesis 1:

    Things start out as watery chaos, then god creats light, sky, sea, earth, vegetation, sun and moon and stars, birds, sea creatures, land animals, and then humans...

    Genesis 2:

    Things start as a desert; then god creates Adam, then makes eden for him, then fills it with animals for him, then since none are right, makes Eve from his rib.

    And there are more nuanced differences like that in the first one, god's thoughts just sorta become this reality, whereas in the second it's more of a hands on process.


    Oh, and i just saw the irreducible complexity thing:
    1)It's crap pseudoscience
    2)Its one proveable tenent has already been disproven, so it's false, crap pseudoscience.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,786
    edited September 2006
    brettw22 wrote:
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    Wizard of Oz? What IS your stoping point exactly?!?!?!?!? ;)

    Well, I have to confess that I used to get a big kick out of Rip Taylor on "The Gong Show".

    And I always was of the opinion that "Mike Brady", played by Robert Reed, was a pretty cool TV dad.

    I was also a devoted fan of "McMillan & Wife" when it was on the air.
    At the time, I thought it was because I had the hots for Susan St. James who played Rock Hudson's wife, Sally McMillan. I thought I remembered that I felt like I'd crawl on my hands and knees through a mile of broken glass just to have her **** on my **********. :eek:

    But now .... I don't know. Was I actually watching it because of Rock Hudson ? :confused:

    I mean, all 3 of those entertainers were gayer than a 3-dollar-bill-toting-jaybird, but ....

    ....dang, I'm confused !! I'd still like to have Susan St. James **** on my **********, so .... that means I'm not ****, right ?





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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited September 2006
    unc2701 wrote:
    Nope there's two
    Nope, there's one. Just two accounts of it.


    And what did you find about irreducible complexity? Where'd you find your information. Just curious...
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited September 2006
    audiobliss wrote:
    Nope, there's one. Just two accounts of it.


    Wait, so you're saying that genesis 1 and genesis 2 aren't different? I mean the order of creation is glaringly different between the two, nevermind the desert vs water start.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited September 2006
    There's some debate in the 'religious community' about whether there's just one creation, or if God destroyed the first creation and started over. That's plain ridiculous, in my opinion.

    If you ask me, there's only one creation, and no realy indication of anything else. If you'll look at some of the parables that are told in different books in the NT, for example, they're told differently with some different facts thrown in, but they're of the same incident. Same thing with creation; even if the accounts are slightly different, they're of the same creation.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited September 2006
    Ok, first off, I said that there were two different creation _stories_ in the bible, not two creations... which you seem to be conceeding?

    Regardless, your point would imply bible is a parable not to be taken litterally, then.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited September 2006
    Yes, there are two accounts, or 'stories', of creation. I apologize, as I guess I misunderstood the issue there.
    unc2701 wrote:
    Regardless, your point would imply bible is a parable not to be taken litterally, then.
    That could not be any farther from by beliefs.

    I'm was just trying to point out that, when you relate the happenings of an event two or three different times, there the accounts are going to be different. You're going to mention different things, you're going to emphasize different things, especially since the different NT books are directed at differnt groups of people with different backgrounds. Differing accounts of an incident, so long as they are not contradictory, make neither one any less accurate.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited September 2006
    I didn't know there were two versions. I've only heard #2 before.

    Question...and i didn't think of this myself, Carlos Mencia did ;).

    Wouldn't Genesis imply that someone nailed their sister for all of us to be here? Why would that be ok? Doesn't it make more sense to create a population of people first rather then just 2?
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited September 2006
    Yes, you're right, there was a lot of marrying and reproducing through sisters. There had to be since everything started from only two people. However, the gene pool was much cleaner and purer then, thus there weren't the side effects of such activity that we see today.

    When looking at history, marrying within the family was a common practice for quite a while.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited September 2006
    audiobliss wrote:
    However, the gene pool was much cleaner and purer then, thus there weren't the side effects of such activity that we see today.

    Please elaborate.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited September 2006
    I'm simply referring to the fact that in-breeding today often causes such disorders as retardation and such, and that the gene pool was pure in the beginning, hence there were no such ill-effects from in-breeding.

    If you want anything more than that, you'll have to ask someone else, as I've run out of knowledge.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,194
    edited September 2006
    .....ummm....where are the wenches and the ale? Seems things are getting serious in this discussion (civil but serious)..........I just stayed to see some wenches.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited September 2006
    audiobliss wrote:
    If you want anything more than that, you'll have to ask someone else, as I've run out of knowledge.

    Clearly. Lack of diversity (aka purity) is what causes the disorders associated with inbreeding.

    Anyhow, the marrying within family that you refer to was typically first cousins which have a slightly higher risk of birth defects, but not that bad. However compounded over a few generations, you've got Charles II of Spain.

    BTW- how is it that we have any genetic diversity, if we're all decended from two people?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,194
    edited September 2006
    audiobliss wrote:
    However, the gene pool was much cleaner and purer then, thus there weren't the side effects of such activity that we see today.

    Sorry bliss but this is pure hogwash. Made up hogwash. What makes the "gene" pool so much cleaner? If this was the case it's a wonder the human race survived at all considering all the scientific evidence about the ill effects of inbreeding/cross breeding. Dammit, I wasn't going to get sucked into this topic. Dammit, dammit, dammit :mad: :mad: :(:confused:;) .

    I'm done here....this is a powder keg and no one is going to change their personal POV based on a superficial discussion on an audio related board.

    Cheers

    H9
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited September 2006
    heiney9 wrote:
    I'm done here....this is a powder keg and no one is going to change their personal POV based on a superficial discussion on an audio related board.


    Yeah, good call H9... I need more cowbell, ale & wenches.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited September 2006
    Brett,

    If your PM box wasn't full, you'd have the answer already. So, GET OFF YOUR ZORCH, STFU, and start deleting yesterday's paper from your inbox. Said in fun, but I refuse to use one of those stupid smilie things. The only thing worst than smilies are the stupid dancing bananas at the other website I participate in.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited September 2006
    heiney9 wrote:
    Dammit, I wasn't going to get sucked into this topic. Dammit, dammit, dammit :mad: :mad: :(:confused:
    Ok, I'm happy. My job here is done.

    :D;)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,194
    edited September 2006
    audiobliss wrote:
    Ok, I'm happy. My job here is done.

    :D;)

    I'm glad you're happy! :D . Actually I'm pretty happy also. So you admit you had an ulterior motive in making your post? Just like you bible thumping types. Just giving you some crap 'bliss. :p;)

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