Signal cable risers? Legit of bullsh*t?

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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited August 2006
    No one has even mentioned that these are the NEW MODEL cable risers. Most of your comments sound like they are in reference to the former riser models. . . but this one blows them all away!

    After replacing the old ones with 32 of the new model bad boys in my monitor system, I would put it up against any of your higher end rigs. Makes the monitors sound like Wilson's.

    If you are looking to upgrade systems, I would do it in this order:
    1.Cable risers
    2.Cryogenically froze wires
    3.Air purifiers
    4.Mood rings
    5.DAC
    6.Pre
    7.Pro
    8.New Speakers

    On a more serious note. . .
    With all the good reviews of Frank, I don't think commenting on "Cable Risers" in general is any kind of slam on him. There is a demand for cable risers from someone/somewhere (not in any way started by Signal Cable) and he is catering to that market demand. I have no problems, especially since the mark-up on the shot glasses from SC probably isn't comparable to what Bose, Monster, and thousands of specialty audio places tack on.
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited August 2006
    I can tell you exactly the two words that would come out of my wife's mouth after reading this thread -- glass houses

    As in, "you spent how many more hundreds of dollars on extra amplification to achieve these results?!? Yet $45 clams can generate this much controversy?!?"

    Yeah, to many of our ears, the results are obvious with certain upgrades and not so obvious with others.

    But of one thing, I'm sure -- I'd have a helluva lot easier time justifying $45 dollars for cable risers than I would $500 for 100 extra watts. Perspective ladies and gents, perspective.:)
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited August 2006
    I would think that if anything, it would be carpet induced static. About once a year I spray anti-static spray on my rug behind the cabinet, don't know if it makes any difference, but static is really bad in my dry climate.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited August 2006
    steveinaz wrote:
    I would think that if anything, it would be carpet induced static. About once a year I spray anti-static spray on my rug behind the cabinet, don't know if it makes any difference, but static is really bad in my dry climate.
    That argument actually makes sense. I can't really see that they'd have any real affect on SQ, but then the static electricity thing makes sense...
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited August 2006
    45 bucks... 8 risers... why the hell not...

    Im really going to consider these when I put in my next SC order...
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited August 2006
    Sid, what're you getting from them next?
    Jstas wrote: »
    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited August 2006
    audiobliss wrote:
    Sid, what're you getting from them next?

    Must be something for free judging by the way he's pumping them ;). I'm sure he'll get some use out of them though. I mean it'll only be five years before he can drink shots of wine spritzers out of them.

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited August 2006
    Honestly, right now...

    I dont know...

    I was going to go with something different, then I read this thread and I remembered why I bought from them from the get go... haha
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2006
    As one of the members who benefited from the SC giveaway at PF05 and also saw a number of cables given away at 04 I have to say SC has an been an established supporter of the club. But then we all are aware of this aren't we?

    The PF givewaway's are drawings and part of the fun of the fest's.

    I have no bones with anyone that wants to use or purchase risers, hell, I just might buy some one day.

    RT1
  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited August 2006
    I guess I am confused by this thread. I thought the question was whether we thought wire risers were BS or not. It appears to have been turned around to be whether companies that sell them are BS or not.

    Personally I think risers are BS. I also have no qualms with the company Signal Cables and would recommend them to people seeking purchasing speaker wire.

    Heck even Walmart, K-Mart, Target, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. sell water fountains. They serve no purpose and are just there to look at. I do not get mad at these companies for selling something that serves no purpose other than aesthetics to me but may be something that is Fung Shui to others. Therefore how can I be mad as Signal Cable for selling something that serves no purpose to me but fills the needs of others?

    Next we will be burning books or churches because they convey something one of us does not agree with. Humbug!
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited August 2006
    Right on, Holydoc!
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • univera
    univera Posts: 848
    edited August 2006
    dorokusai wrote:
    This place makes me giggle.

    DK, you should really see about getting some cable risers for donation for this upcoming Polkfest:) Hell, I'll bet quite a few sets have been sold already, not including the 4 that Macleod bought....MC, I'm not doggin ya. Just having fun! I never knew this post would generate so much controversy or popcorn eating.....I'm not buying any. I've already got 4, 14K gold, diamond studded units on my Bose system. Fills the room.
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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited August 2006
    univera - do you have the 14K gold risers with princess cut diamonds, cuz those are like 2 riser generations old now. They then went to a softer 18K gold with emerald cut, and finally platinum with heart cut diamonds and ruby encrusting.

    Get with the times. Makes my Polk monitors sound almost as good as the 3-2-1. . . almost :)
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited August 2006
    univera wrote:
    DK, you should really see about getting some cable risers for donation for this upcoming Polkfest:) Hell, I'll bet quite a few sets have been sold already, not including the 4 that Macleod bought....MC, I'm not doggin ya. Just having fun! I never knew this post would generate so much controversy or popcorn eating.....I'm not buying any. I've already got 4, 14K gold, diamond studded units on my Bose system. Fills the room.


    Too funny! :D
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited August 2006
    Some people hang their cables with fishing line from the ceiling. The ceiling does not vibrate like the floor thus your cables do not vibrate. The theory is that when they vibrate or get moved about they tend to need more burn in.
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited August 2006
    I have mine riding on a cushion of air, hovering about three inches above the magic carpet. Talk about lowering the noise floor...
  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2006
    The ceiling doesn't vibrate like the floor :confused: I not sure about that I think my ceiling can move more then my floor. The ceiling being so large it has to vibrate the heck my walls vibrate why not my ceiling?

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  • univera
    univera Posts: 848
    edited August 2006
    madmax wrote:
    Some people hang their cables with fishing line from the ceiling. The ceiling does not vibrate like the floor thus your cables do not vibrate. The theory is that when they vibrate or get moved about they tend to need more burn in.
    madmax

    Plus, chicks dig this look.;) No one has even mentioned this singular, yet all-important benefit.

    But the Signal Cable Risers...."They're too legit to quit." I feel this would be a great slogan for the product. I wonder if the guy at Signal has any clue the firestorm his product has created here at Club Definitive Polkology:p
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited August 2006
    You'll get better treble with a higher riser, and better bass with a lower riser.
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited August 2006
    disneyjoe7 wrote:
    The ceiling doesn't vibrate like the floor :confused: I not sure about that I think my ceiling can move more then my floor. The ceiling being so large it has to vibrate the heck my walls vibrate why not my ceiling?

    When playing something loud, plug one ear and put the other one against the walls ceiling and floor and see. If any of them have a lot of movement putting your forehead against them will be telling. Some of the floor movement is downward facing subs or subs in general just because they are physically connected. The walls and ceiling are not connected to the floor and tend to not get as excited. It can go the other way depending on where everything is located though...

    madmax
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2006
    My floor is a concrete slab, the walls are 2x4 studs the ceiling is that a ceiling above that is Attic. My sofa can move in the room sitting on carpet over concrete slab, you think my walls aren't moving! I don't how to test for it but I can almost 100% say my ceiling is moving also.

    BTW I don't use any wimpy book shelve speakers.

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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited August 2006
    Lots of people buy these risers just because they like the way they look. Sort of like audio jewelry.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited August 2006
    Like someone mentioned, they are a neat way to keep cables tidy and routed away from power cables if nothing else. If there are other potential benefits, no matter how far fetched some may think they are (such as isolating the cable from static electricity or whatever), then it's just an added benefit. it's not like they cost an arm and a leg. If you want to argue about claims companies make why not argue about how ethical it is to picture an unrealistic looking hamburger or sandwich (or whatever) on TV which looks absolutely nothing like the one you get when you go there :rolleyes: I like the ones with the shrimp pasta where the commercial shows like 2 dozen shrimp and when you order it you're lucky to find 6 :(
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