Signal cable risers? Legit of bullsh*t?

Frank Z

I'm glad I got here early...great seats!!

dorokusai

When another vendor steps up and provides a 5% discount for Polkies, which is basically JUST a generic forum...and at the drop of a hat EVERY cable needed for a Polkfest(ALL 5!) AND freebies for giveaway, PLUS make a dynamite product to boot at a modest cost....I might have a better attitude.

And some of you want to rag on him because he's catering to a certain clientel...sorry, but you are sandbaggers in my book.

Just FYI, when I ran the Cable Swap, I approached other vendors including Blue Jeans Cable and they said "The Polk Forum doesn't seem to draw enough interest and members for us to discount our product." Interesting how it plays out eh?

dkg999

There should of been a preview so I could of joined in earlier! Great show!

MacLeod

Oh, ok. He's giving you free stuff. Well then by all means, let me retract my statements. Dont want to be a sandbagger.

Gawdamighty, youd think I wouldve learned my lesson about trying to discuss things in home audio by now.

dorokusai

He's provides free stuff for giveaway @ Polkfest...didn't you attend? You weren't present the next day but will that be your excuse?

The point is that he bends over backwards for this place, what have you done lately?

audiobliss

MacLeod wrote:

youd think I wouldve learned my lesson about trying to discuss things in home audio by now.

Yes, you would. Now go home.

dorokusai

I'm glad that Macleod is voicing his opinion, as he stated previously, that's what this place is for....I just don't agree with his comments or stance on SC as a whole. The original subject was whether SC risers make a difference. How the subject turned into a dark plan of deception in regards to SC is beyond me.

I know this guy just like I know alot of you folks, barely, but at least he's made an effort to recognize Club Polk in the past, currently and in the future. The world is much larger than this forum in regards to any business and I'm sure he does what's best for his success.

I've already stated that I also find no benefit in risers per se, but I'm just an singular individual.

MacLeod

What I have done lately is answer a **** load of questions, give advice and sales picthes on the car audio side to newbies and perspective new Polk customers so get bent!! Ive given back to this forum plenty!

Oh, just **** it! I give up.

You win.

audiobliss

What in the world sparked that? Everyone's been civil up to this point...

faster100

Rule of thumb is ya don't **** on people who help ya out, whether (sp) as a individual or as a group.. I think that is the point here.


Mac, so now you hate e-bay and cable risers ?

VR3

I like cookies.

dorokusai

MacLeod wrote:

What I have done lately is answer a **** load of questions, give advice and sales picthes on the car audio side to newbies and perspective new Polk customers so get bent!! Ive given back to this forum plenty!

Oh, just **** it! I give up.

You win.

Oh, so you do what you should do as an active member of a forum? Thanks, the world is a better place now.

I wish you luck in your audio travels and hope that you eventually find what you're looking for in life.

dkg999

OK, hmmm, after re-reading the thread, I'm going to jump in on Dorokusai's side of things. A discussion of the merits of cable risers, that are sold by many, I repeat many, companies is very different than questioning the tactics of Signal Cable. SC does give us a discount, and as mentioned previously has stepped up to support our activities. SC is doing nothing more than offering a product to an identified demand in the market. I don't see SC mis-representing the product, nor trying to convince a large audience of its merits. If you have drank the koolaid and believe the cable risers work, buy them from SC. If you spit the koolaid out, then don't buy them.

I would suggest you try the little spinner doohickey's in the air intake of your vehicle that like triple your gas mileage. They are a little more aggressive in their claims than SC is with the cable risers. Might be a more appropriate target for the merits of the marketer discussion! Doug.

PolkThug

"Interference between cables and associated vibration can potentially increase your systems' noise floor by a significant margin."


I guess its true since he said "potentially".

dorokusai

PolkThug wrote:

"Interference between cables and associated vibration can potentially increase your systems' noise floor by a significant margin."


I guess its true since he said "potentially".

I bet it would be different if you were the subject of this conversation and it was your business. Please refrain from the higher than thou approach, because you fall into the same category as Macleod. You simply wouldn't own what you do, if you didn't believe in it, period. Why should anyone else be at fault?

univera

McCloud has been helpful to me FWIW, and I don't think he was trying to be rude or the like. I really feel he believes this is a bogus idea and has a hard time accepting the fact that if someone buys a product that in reality, may not do ****, but that buyer "hears" a difference, there is a benefit because the customer is happier than before the purchase.

In essence, what we may be discussing here, is the idea that the placeo effect is alive and well in audio; cables themselves being perhaps the biggest culprit or perceived culprit.

I think that's all Doro was saying. If people believe something, right or wrong or unproven, than whats' the harm in selling something people are going to buy regardless. If they don't buy from Signal Cable, than they will go somewhere else. And, he guarantees satisfaction, so there is no risk.

I guess its the idea that my car always seems to run better after washing it. I know that to not be true, but it just seems that way.

MacLeod

PolkThug wrote:

"Interference between cables and associated vibration can potentially increase your systems' noise floor by a significant margin."


I guess its true since he said "potentially".

Shhh. He gives Mark free stuff. Quit being a sandbagger.

PolkThug

dorokusai wrote:

PolkThug wrote:

"Interference between cables and associated vibration can potentially increase your systems' noise floor by a significant margin."


I guess its true since he said "potentially".

I bet it would be different if you were the subject of this conversation and it was your business. Please refrain from the higher than thou approach, because you fall into the same category as Macleod. You simply wouldn't own what you do, if you didn't believe in it, period. Why should anyone else be at fault?

I didn't say anyone was at fault for anything. I stand by my statement, that because of semantics, what the ad says is true. Saying "potentially" is like saying "could maybe" or "might" or "possibly".

dkg999

Over the years I have read about a lot of audio tweaks, some reasonable and some that just seemed to be complete BS. After actually being able to hear some differences in speaker cables and IC's, and the fact that I drank the power cable koolaid in spite of the fact that I'm not hearing a lot of differences, I'm not really ready to say that maybe the cable risers don't have some kind of effect on SQ? Everytime I take a stand on one of these audio mythbuster type deals, I end up regretting it!

With that said I am now using the jointly engineered by Bose/B&O first generation self-levitating cable risers that are greatly improving the high-end above 6 b'gillion ghz, which I am told is important because another audio prophet I read claims that the sound my speakers make that I can't hear is much more important to SQ than the sound I can hear.

dorokusai

PolkThug - I agree, it's printed and public, so he has an assumed responsibility at this point. I apologize for putting in my wax vampire teeth.

dorokusai

MacLeod wrote:

Shhh. He gives Mark free stuff. Quit being a sandbagger.

This is not true and a lie, plain and simple. I do not receive free items from Signal Cable.

Don't get mad at me because you're uninformed and seem to seriously have a reading comprehension problem. I know you want to lash out, and please feel free to do so, but it's much better when you have some legs to stand on. I encourage you to express your opinion, but you really show your true colors with additional posts.

PolkThug

dorokusai wrote:

PolkThug - I agree, it's printed and public, so he has an assumed responsibility at this point. I apologize for putting in my wax vampire teeth.

I found a killer deal on those:
http://www.rockofagescandy.com/Funny_Stuff/Products/WaxFangs.html

dkg999

Absolutely nothing wrong with the statement by SC! Maybe Frank believes there is an improvement. My guess is there is some data reference point behind the statement. That's all that counts. I've marketing products in my career with a lot less to go on! You either believe it or you don't, and if SC is still offering the product, chances are someone is voting with their dollars that they believe too.

MacLeod

dorokusai wrote:

This is not true and a lie, plain and simple. I do not receive free items from Signal Cable.

dorokusai wrote:

When another vendor steps up and provides a 5% discount for Polkies, which is basically JUST a generic forum...and at the drop of a hat EVERY cable needed for a Polkfest(ALL 5!) AND freebies for giveaway

My mistake.

dorokusai

How exactly does that benefit ME personally as opposed to Polkfest as a whole? ALL the cables donated by SC at these events are GIVEN AWAY for FREE, just FYI. You chose not to attend the following days events, so I can presume that's why you are uninformed of the process.

Are you disgruntled because you didn't receive anything free?

VR3

Honestly, I could see sinking 45 bucks in those things because they look cool.

Whats cooler than having floating speaker cables? HAHA

brettw22

SC gave 5 cables to Mark to distribute at the fest via drawings. That's different then sending them to him and saying he can have them.

Everyone relax.....

EDIT: You KNOW you're outta whack when I'M the one tellin people to relax....

Loud & Clear

I own numerous SC products, fwiw, and am very happy with all of them. I'd own these jobbies too, but unfortunately, I've already paid $1000.00 for my cable risers from Criss Angel.

dkg999

Especially if they had some cool blue LED lights!

dorokusai

This place makes me giggle.