Signal cable risers? Legit of bullsh*t?

univera

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc.pl?accstwek&1156819930&1156556339

Legit oR Bullsh*t?

Frank Z

Pulls up beach chair and a bag of popcorn....

This is gonna get interesting.

VR3

Could most likely get the same effect by taking cardboard to get your stuff off the ground...

audiobliss

I would just lower my floor.

PolkThug

Scientologists use them to ward of bad Thetans.

dorokusai

I've used paper cups to ceramic risers with no discernable change in the noise floor or reproduction of music.

There are folks that believe in the advantage, and that's just the way it goes. My audio idol, Bob Crump was a hardcore believer in ALOT of tweaks and he was a genius...so it's just one of those things.

Frank @ Signal Cable is supporting a group of people that do find a benefit in these things, and it's not just a couple people in this world. As with anything, your methods may vary.

MacLeod

OMFG! Youve got to be kidding me!!

So the vibrations coming thru the floor will transmit into the cables and add noise to your system?

Thats just insane! If that were the case, my truck system would be as noisey as an air raid siren! There is all kinds of vibrations coming thru the floor into my cables and Im running 3 sets of 18'!!!

Shame on SignaCable.

But hey, if spending $45 on these things makes your system sound better to you, mo' power to ya.

DarqueKnight

I prefer to leave my speaker cables lying on the floor because they look like shiny black snakes. Risers would ruin the effect.

Normanality

I can see, perhaps, if you've got carpet made out of nylon that carries alot of static charge, but other than being able to clean under the cables, I dunno.

Those Signal Cable risers could come in handy if you run short of beverage glasses

audiobliss

MacLeod wrote:

But hey, if spending $45 on these things makes your system sound better to you, mo' power to ya.

So you just nullified your whole argument with your last sentence.

F1nut

I'll say this, those are the nicest looking risers I've seen yet. I think I'll buy a few sets.

MacLeod

audiobliss wrote:

So you just nullified your whole argument with your last sentence.

OK, then let me restate it:

{ahem} If spending $45 on some overpriced shot glasses makes you THINK your system sounds better to you, then mo' power to ya!

dorokusai

MacLeod wrote:

OMFG! Youve got to be kidding me!!

So the vibrations coming thru the floor will transmit into the cables and add noise to your system?

Thats just insane! If that were the case, my truck system would be as noisey as an air raid siren! There is all kinds of vibrations coming thru the floor into my cables and Im running 3 sets of 18'!!!

Shame on SignaCable.

But hey, if spending $45 on these things makes your system sound better to you, mo' power to ya.

Do you run unshielded cable?

MacLeod

The JL Audio cables I run now are not shielded. Theyre twisted. However, the last ones I used were shielded ($14 Monster Standard). No noise with them either.

Either way, with 70 mph driving in that rough riding truck with 18' of cables pressed between the carpet and floorboard with a sub pounding with 400 watts, I should be getting insane levels of noise regardless what cables I was using but I have nary a whimper.

dorokusai

He's marketing to a group that cares about that idea, just like every other manufacturer.

You bought stuff based on ideas, now he's crazy? It's supply and demand. If you don't agree, please disect the Polk Audio line.

It's all audio, it just depends on your level of commitment and belief.

RuSsMaN

Very cool.

I use risers, and haven't heard a difference by elevating my speaker cables - but I love them because they make it MUCH easier to route them away from power cords.

Mac - car audio is a different animal, DC is great, but we have to deal with AC first in home audio unfortunately.

PolkThug

I guess its a blessing you guys can't hear a difference. Either your ears aren't very good, or your level of equipment isn't that great. Risers can lift up to 2.3 veils of sonic blockage and lower the noise floor by 12-13 quads.

MacLeod

dorokusai wrote:

He's marketing to a group that cares about that idea, just like every other manufacturer.

You bought stuff based on ideas, now he's crazy? It's supply and demand. If you don't agree, please disect the Polk Audio line.

It's all audio, it just depends on your level of commitment and belief.

I agree but I think Signal Cable is taking advantage of some people, but then its the consumers responsiblity to be informed and like I said, if you think it sounds better with these things, then good on ya mate! Im not knocking anybody for buying stuff they want. But I see this kind of stuff as "snake oil".

RuSsMaN wrote:

I use risers, and haven't heard a difference by elevating my speaker cables - but I love them because they make it MUCH easier to route them away from power cords.

Mac - car audio is a different animal, DC is great, but we have to deal with AC first in home audio unfortunately.

I hear ya bro. CA and HA both definitely have their own set of obstacles but the basics are still the same and if there arent any vibrations inducing noise into our systems with all the beating and banging that goes on out on the road then there certainly isnt any in your living room.

Now the thing about routing made easier and looking neater, I totally agree with that and think these things fit the bill perfectly. I just think SC should market them as such and not from a standpoint of something they simply do not and could not do.

ledhed

DarqueKnight wrote:

I prefer to leave my speaker cables lying on the floor because they look like shiny black snakes. Risers would ruin the effect.

Actually, I think you may improve ALOT in your system just by hooking those "snakes" up.

dorokusai

MacLeod wrote:

I agree but I think Signal Cable is taking advantage of some people, but then its the consumers responsiblity to be informed and like I said, if you think it sounds better with these things, then good on ya mate! Im not knocking anybody for buying stuff they want. But I see this kind of stuff as "snake oil".



I hear ya bro. CA and HA both definitely have their own set of obstacles but the basics are still the same and if there arent any vibrations inducing noise into our systems with all the beating and banging that goes on out on the road then there certainly isnt any in your living room.

Now the thing about routing made easier and looking neater, I totally agree with that and think these things fit the bill perfectly. I just think SC should market them as such and not from a standpoint of something they simply do not and could not do.

How is he taking "advantage" of someone, just out of curiosity? If an individual is on a quest for better sound, and the definition makes sense to him...why not?....sound familiar?

Does that mean you have been taken advantage of? by using the gear that you do?

Do you think this is rare? Do you think this is odd?

Just wondering. Keep in mind, that I've stated that I've heard no audible difference in using the subject at hand.

dragon1952

I've got a set. Well , 3/4 of a set. I had 4 but I stepped on one. They make a pretty good 'crack' when they break

ESavinon

The theory behind risers is that if you have your hi fi system sitting on a concrete floor, the iron rebar used to set the concrete might create an magnetic field that could pontentially carry electromagnetic noise. Since the speaker wires are not shielded, it can easily pick up this noise.
By rising the speaker wires and any signal wire from the ground, it can greatly minimize or completely eliminate electromagnetic noise.
Risers are only supposed to be used on concrete floors, not on any other type of floors unless the concrete floor is covered with another material.

ESavinon

Btw, i read that somewhere. It's not my theory. Hell i don't even have concrete floors in my apartment.
I'll test this theory as soon as i convert my wooden floors to reinforced concrete. I need to do this due to the fact that recently i finished refurbishing my carver amazings and my neighbors have been conplaining about the bass they put out.
I can't blame them since i'm running my amazings with 4 biamped amplifiers.

amulford

Hey, I like Frank's stuff. For $45 a set, I think I'm going to get 2 sets.

brettw22

The best lookin one's I saw were porcelin........acrylic doesn't have a particularly warm place in my heart.........

amulford

How much were they? Here's some for $17 a piece

dorokusai

amulford wrote:

Hey, I like Frank's stuff. For $45 a set, I think I'm going to get 2 sets.

Yea, it's a huge investment huh?

janmike

amulford wrote:

How much were they? Here's some for $17 a piece

I like the brown ones.

Frank is a solid business guy and if you look deep into his philosophy for starting business you will come up with correct rationale.

jderdock

I didn't think vibration isolation was the point of risers...I thought it had to do with static and skin effect?

I've tried lifting my cables off the carpet. I can't hear any difference.

Toka78

PolkThug wrote:

I guess its a blessing you guys can't hear a difference. Either your ears aren't very good, or your level of equipment isn't that great. Risers can lift up to 2.3 veils of sonic blockage and lower the noise floor by 12-13 quads.

Ha! Thanks for the laugh...most apropos.

faster100

I find vintage insulators at the flea markets i frequent all the time.. most though are the rounded top ones.. I found a pair with the grooves on top that i have in the HT, They look freakin cool to me.. plastic ones i may pass on.. and the vintage ones people mostly market and sell as "vintage" and are sometimes pricey.. does it make a difference? i dunno, don't care..

Never look down on someone who can market a product, and make money.. no matter how worthless, silly or just plain doenst make sense to you... because someone somewhere thinks its the best thing since sliced bread..