World War III

ND13

PhantomOG wrote:

I guess your initial reply of "ok f-it...." didn't sit well with me either. Anyways, I still stand by the fact that any warnings at this point only hurt the situation. We should use whatever intelligence we have and deal with threats accordingly. We've already given enough notice/warning/ultimatums. Everyone knows we're at "war with terrorism". Showing any more cards only weakens our hand.

Actually, I'm all for that. I was under the impression that many here, were afraid that we might hurt some "civilians", so the only way around that situation would be allowing the "true civilians" a way out. See, in this type of war, we ARE fighting civilians, terrorist are civilians, not an organized military that wears a recognizable uniform to target.

Skynut

unc2701 wrote:

On 9/11, America lost 1/100,000 of its civilians. Iraq's been hitting that once every three days, lately.

So how much longer till they are all gone?:D
Can we build the new theme park after they leave?:D

Skynut

I say we blanket the place with warnings that we will attack any targets we think are worth our time. If you live near militants you need to let us know and leave. If we find the militants we will blow them up wheather you are there or not.

That is plenty of warning and if they want to help the situation they will provide intelligence if not they may die.

unc2701

At the current rate?... 820 years. but the pace has been picking up lately, so you'd probably want to put some kind of exponential curve on it.

MacLeod

I say we take a queue from Israel.

They didnt ask for anybody's permission and they dont care how much sand is in the vaginas of France and Russia. Theyve tried to play nice for decades now and its obvious there cannot be peace with people that have sworn their lives to end yours so theyre going in there and killing them all and theyre not worried about their public relations image.

And Id also like to add that Im glad the Western branch of Al Jazeera (aka the New York Times) didnt know about these arrests ahead of time or else they wouldve tipped them off!

Demiurge

And Id also like to add that Im glad the Western branch of Al Jazeera (aka the New York Times) didnt know about these arrests ahead of time or else they wouldve tipped them off!

HAHAHAHA!

Talk about a treasonous newspaper. Hey, lets tell the terrorists how we're tracking them, and who is helping them. Fuggin' idiots. :rolleyes:

aaharvel

Demiurge wrote:

HAHAHAHA!

Talk about a treasonous newspaper.

Absolutely. They knew about the Bush/NSA wiretapping program a year before that knowledge was released to the American people. Imagine the public's reaction if that had been released and not been kept under wraps the time it actually started: 3 months before the 2004 election..

"What the American people know and don't know is what makes them the "American people"." ~Independence Day

(and i'm not starting a political typing war, just stating a fact of the NYT inability to follow the rules of journalism.)

cheddar

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_re_us/terror_charges_ohio_3

Seems to me profiling and tapping international calls to muslim countries works pretty good in the fight on terrorism...

PolkThug

Its time for profiling and internment camps! We did it in WWII, we can do it again! Let's roll!

cheddar

I didn't say internment camps. But if we're stretched thin at airport security, you can save time and resources by not stopping old church ladies as often as you do people who actually have roots from terrorist countries.

cheddar

aaharvel wrote:

Absolutely. They knew about the Bush/NSA wiretapping program a year before that knowledge was released to the American people. Imagine the public's reaction if that had been released and not been kept under wraps the time it actually started: 3 months before the 2004 election..

Might have been the same as the reaction to Dan Rather's masterpiece -- Obvious political ploy.

unc2701

Yeah, I guess the terrorists forgot that we can tap phone calls. Can't have that in the newspapers reminding them.

aaharvel

cheddar wrote:

Might have been the same as the reaction to Dan Rather's masterpiece -- Obvious political ploy.

totally agree.

Demiurge

unc2701 wrote:

Yeah, I guess the terrorists forgot that we can tap phone calls. Can't have that in the newspapers reminding them.

Well, a senior foreign correspondant of the NYT only warned a alleged Islamic terror funding charity that the FBI was about to raid it's offices, which could have gotten UC agents killed.

Look up the Global Relief Foundation and their direct financial links to Al-Qaeda and a whole slew of other terror groups. That's the organization this donkey tipped off a day before the raid.

The times also revealed that the FBI was tracking terror suspects based on the cell phone records of arrested 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (Gee, is he a direct link to 9/11?).

They also flapped their fanatical Muslim loving gums over all of the secret programs the FBI and CIA were using to track the financial assets of terrorist organizations. Good move!

I guess this isn't treason anymore though, it's just journalistic integrity aiding and abetting the enemy. Not that long ago they would have gotten thrown in the slammer for it. Too bad nobody will bother charging them.

Oh, and show me all of the American citizens who are having their phones tapped, and banking information tracked. It isn't happening, but I guess you couldn't justify the treason of the NYT and the like without talking about that which doesn't occur. All they need to do is convince people it does.


Point being -- all that stuff is a far cry from simpy saying "The FBI is using wiretaps."

unc2701

Global Relief... that was leaked to Judith "aluminum tubes" Miller by the Bush administration. Not exactly something that goes with your overall theme- might want to rethink that one.

Lemme see... Since the very start of the war on terror Bush himself has been telling us that they're tracking the terrorists through banking, so that doesn't really fly, either.

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed... he's the ron jeremy look-alike, right? The one very publicly arrested waaaaay before the phone tapping story broke? Guess the terrorists wouldn't think that maybe we'd follow up on that one seeing as how he was on the Daily Show... "Hey, wait! is that Khalid???? quick- call his cell, we're soooo giving him ****. Huh- he DOES look like Ron Jeremy there..."

See the wiretapping story, banking story, the financial stuff, they're all "No ****"... Any moron knows that we're tracking the finances and tapping phones and tracking their movements as best we can. The president's been telling us this since september 12th and he damn well better be doing it. It's his **** job. But his first oath is to uphold the constitution. This means you get to keep your guns, say whatever you want, and no be subjected to search and siezure with out a warrant.

Everyone know everything in those NYT stories, except for the part about there not being warrants. They've got three days AFTER they start to get a warrant- one that's never denied. It's just a formality. Wiretap away- americans, iraqis, iranian, italians. I'm fine with that. But if an american is on one end of the line without that warrant they're taking away a peice of what it is to be an american, and I'm not okay with that. It's like outlawing handguns- sure you can still have a rifle, but that's not the point.

Demiurge wrote:

Oh, and show me all of the American citizens who are having their phones tapped, and banking information tracked. It isn't happening, but I guess you couldn't justify the treason of the NYT and the like without talking about that which doesn't occur. All they need to do is convince people it does.

That makes no sense. If it's false, then... never mind. I'm tired and trying to apply logic these posts is a lost cause.

But here's what you need to do, Demi. Ask yourself what our government would have to do for you to go against it. I hope even you've got a line that cannot be crossed.

mrbigbluelight

PolkThug wrote:

Its time for profiling and internment camps! We did it in WWII, we can do it again! Let's roll!

I mentioned this a while back, but there are MASSIVE fenced areas in certain northern states. Barracks et al.
With the concertina wire pointing IN, not out.

The U.S. has to be very careful of being bear-baited into over-reacting.

A question one could ask is this: What would Hezboolah, Al-Qaeda, and the rest of the cheeseheads like the U.S. to do right now ?
I think the answer is absolutely certain that they'd love the U.S. to take the gloves off and unload the hammer.

Rule of war: never do what the enemy wants you to do.

F1nut

There's only one way to stop these cowards, shoot, bomb and nuke anything that effing moves. Sound harsh....you bet, but it's the first rule of war. Kill them, all of them, before they kill you. Very simple really. They are not going to leave us alone, be very clear about that!

Oh, but what about the innocent civilians, you say? Eff that, it's war and there aren't any.

read-alot

Can a good Muslim be a good America? This was asked of an American who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply.

Theologically- no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously- no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran,2;256)

Scripturally- no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically- no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially- no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically- no. Because he must subit to the mullah (spiritual leaders) who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America.

Domestically- no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually- no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically- no. Because Islam, Muhammad and the Quran do not allow freedom and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.

Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autucratic.

Spiritually- no. Because when we declare "one nation under God" the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he called in love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation .. perhaps we should be suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish .... it's still the truth.

Thom

How many of you guys wanted to blow up Ireland when the IRA was blowing **** up?

Thom

read-alot wrote:

Spiritually- no. Because when we declare "one nation under God" the Christian's God is loving and kind,
QUOTE]

Haha. When I was being brainwashed in Catholic school growing up I seem to remember quite a few things that don't paint it that way. If you don't go to church EVERY Sunday you go to hell. Burn, ****.

And your idea of single out every Muslim in this country seems to fit the old American ideal of one nation under god...

ND13

Thom wrote:

How many of you guys wanted to blow up Ireland when the IRA was blowing **** up?

Let's see...potatoes or oil...hmmmmm

unc2701

ND13 wrote:

Let's see...potatoes or oil...hmmmmm

Sadly you need both for french.... errr.. freedom fries.

ND13

I sure wouldn't want to eat any fries that were cooked in crude oil.....I'll stick with veggie or peanut oil for that. Or good ole lard.

jdhdiggs

Thom wrote:

How many of you guys wanted to blow up Ireland when the IRA was blowing **** up?

Well, lets see, the local authorities there were actively trying to break up the violence, there were peace keepers deployed (not neccessarily the UN kind), the local populace condemed and tried to assist an end to the violence. The terrorists were not promoting genocide... Can you tell the difference between this and the middle east?

Seems like an apples to oranges comparison to me.

unc2701

ND13 wrote:

I sure wouldn't want to eat any fries that were cooked in crude oil.....I'll stick with veggie or peanut oil for that. Or good ole lard.

****.

ND13

unc2701 wrote:

****.

You know the old saying, you are what you.....:eek:

unc2701

Great. I just noticed my 1500th post is one word: ****. That's a milestone.

ND13

Sometime during the next few days, I'll be hitting the 5k milestone, gotta save that one for something special.

PolkThug

Anyone notice this a couple weeks ago?
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_072806WABshootingEL.3d89c1.html

"I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel,"

read-alot

Thom wrote:

read-alot wrote:

Spiritually- no. Because when we declare "one nation under God" the Christian's God is loving and kind,
QUOTE]

Haha. When I was being brainwashed in Catholic school growing up I seem to remember quite a few things that don't paint it that way. If you don't go to church EVERY Sunday you go to hell. Burn, ****.

And your idea of single out every Muslim in this country seems to fit the old American ideal of one nation under god...

So are you saying you disagree with the whole post or just the one about a nation under God?