World War III

Thom

jdhdiggs wrote:

Well, lets see, the local authorities there were actively trying to break up the violence, there were peace keepers deployed (not neccessarily the UN kind), the local populace condemed and tried to assist an end to the violence. The terrorists were not promoting genocide... Can you tell the difference between this and the middle east?

Seems like an apples to oranges comparison to me.

People were blowing **** up for quite a while, it wasn't a year or two. The PIRA wanted to end British rule, like the IRA back in the 20's(?) wanted to. The PIRA wanted to kill as many people as possible so that Britain would give up. When Israel patrols areas like Sheeba farms that is supposed to be Syria, but Lebanon claims as theirs, is it surprising that groups like Hezbollah will fight? Nationalism is Nationalism.

unc2701

PolkThug wrote:

Christians don't subscribe to the OT as well? I'm not going to quote verses on our sacred Polk ground. God had no problem slaughtering non-believers via Moses and his crew in the OT.

Bash those babies' skulls!!! Bash 'em! Like they were fur seals!

read-alot

aaharvel wrote:

Don't have to. Read the bible. It's all there. Every religious scripture that i'm aware of has it's ups and downs. The bible is no different.

And btw, thanks for not including my opinion on the war on terror in that quote, Very nice touch.

(edit) Hell yeah, let's talk about guns! Me and some friends are going to the shooting range in Wilkes next week. I can't wait!

I will be sure and let my friends up at the range know to be looking for you.

ND13

Some of you keep forgetting that Jews, Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, Rastafarians(sp?) and Mormons, plus a few other religions all believe in the same God(though they have different names for him/her). They just have different views on who the "chosen ones" are, who the prophets are, what happens in the afterlife, and how you're supposed to behave while living.

aaharvel

read-alot wrote:

I will be sure and let my friends up at the range know to be looking for you.

HAR HAR HAR!!!

jdhdiggs

Thom wrote:

People were blowing **** up for quite a while, it wasn't a year or two. The PIRA wanted to end British rule, like the IRA back in the 20's(?) wanted to. The PIRA wanted to kill as many people as possible so that Britain would give up. When Israel patrols areas like Sheeba farms that is supposed to be Syria, but Lebanon claims as theirs, is it surprising that groups like Hezbollah will fight? Nationalism is Nationalism.

Have you looked at the target lists? IRA targetted government buildings and people primarily. The animals in the middle east target mostly civilians. That's a major difference.

The second being that the local people actively worked to end the violance instead of condoning it, explicitly or implicitly...

jdhdiggs

Andrew,

I seriously doubt you have read the bible. You're just spouting rhetoric from elsewhere that you blindly accept as fact. Show the quotes! You can't do it can you? Once again you spouting out things that you think are facts with ZERO evidence. Come on, back up at least one statement with fact, it won't hurt...

jdhdiggs

unc2701 wrote:

Bash those babies' skulls!!! Bash 'em! Like they were fur seals!

Someone needs to go read the bible again. Those weren't "God's" people doing that but the Roman's killing the children (Jesus' story). Or Egyptians/Greeks (Moses')

aaharvel

jdhdiggs wrote:

Andrew,

I seriously doubt you have read the bible. You're just spouting rhetoric from elsewhere that you blindly accept as fact. Show the quotes! You can't do it can you? Once again you spouting out things that you think are facts with ZERO evidence. Come on, back up at least one statement with fact, it won't hurt...

Actually I was spouting rhetoric from the bible. I showed you 3quotes already, one from Exodus, two from Leviticus. I don't have to prove anything to you. Even if I did, something tells me that you would just slap it down as nothing more than heresay. So it's pointless. Sorry, but i'm not going to fall for that trap.

Instead I think my time would be better spent nervously looking for a bullet-proof vest so Read-A-Lot's big bad friends don't shoot me when I go up to Wilkes Wednesday.

(Duncan Gun & Pawn Shop on HWY 18, Read-A-Lot.)

jdhdiggs

aaharvel wrote:

Actually I was spouting rhetoric from the bible. I showed you 3quotes already, one from Exodus, two from Leviticus. I don't have to prove anything to you. Even if I did, something tells me that you would just slap it down as nothing more than heresay. So it's pointless. Sorry, but i'm not going to fall for that trap.

Hey Biblical scholar, where are those books located? Oh, and who actually killed the people?

Should we add anti-semite to your list?

The fact that you CAN NOT come up with one example shows how close minded you are and how little understanding that you have of true Christianity.

Edit: List the post numbers that you quoted those passages... I'm still not seeing them even though they aren't what either Demi or I requested...

Edit: Nevermind, found it, and yep, out of context and OT, not NT...

aaharvel

jdhdiggs wrote:

Hey Biblical scholar, where are those books located? Oh, and who actually killed the people?

Should we add anti-semite to your list?

You can do whatever you like JD.

PolkThug

lmao!

Thank you Andrew for not adding anymore quotes, especially not the ones dealing with God's obsession with circumcision.

MIRACLES DO EXIST! This thread is still open!

jdhdiggs

Glad to know you have based your opinion on being uneducated and uninformed...

Can you even address one simple question?

Mike682

PolkThug wrote:

MIRACLES DO EXIST! This thread is still open!

I am very surprised at this myself

aaharvel

jdhdiggs wrote:

Glad to know you have based your opinion on being uneducated and uninformed...Can you even address one simple question?

Thanks. And no, I can't look for a bullet-proof vest and fall into your bait n' switch at the same time. Or maybe I just don't want to.

jdhdiggs

Still waiting... If it exists, shouldn't be too hard for someone of your vast intellect...

unc2701

jdhdiggs wrote:

Someone needs to go read the bible again. Those weren't "God's" people doing that but the Roman's killing the children (Jesus' story). Or Egyptians/Greeks (Moses')

I was thinking Isaiah 13...

mrbigbluelight

Both the Quran and the Bible can be used to stand on and uplift, or taken in hand like a weapon and used to beat down.

Depends on what's in the heart of the person determines how it is used.

The NYT isn't telling the terrorists anything they don't know already.
The level of sophistication of the bomb materials that were going to be used in the latest plot tells us that we're not dealing with a bunch of goatherders.
The only people who aren't aware of the tools and tactics being used are the American people.

And that's a shame.
Having to get a warrant after setting up a wiretap was working, and it was working well.
So why was it necessary to go with blanket wiretaps ? Has Mr. Bush ever explained that ? I don't believe he has.

The #1 defense against terrorism is our Constitutuion.

aaharvel

Do forum members get discounts on Bullet-Proof vests?

jdhdiggs

unc2701 wrote:

I was thinking Isaiah 13...

Don't see the kids killing in that and its still OT, but a lot closer.

MBB: It would be EXTREMELY difficult for anyone to construe and twist the NT into a cause for war. In fact, it teaches to witness to unbeliviers and welcome them into your heart and home. The only point were non-Christians/Jews are killed is judgement day. That's why I know Andrew blindly trying to label the two religions as similar in that respect is just plain wrong.

PolkThug

aaharvel wrote:

Do forum members get discounts on Bullet-Proof vests?

Reminds me of a bumper sticker: "Dear Lord, please protect me from your followers."

PolkThug

jdhdiggs wrote:

Don't see the kids killing in that and its still OT, but a lot closer.

I only remember God slaying adults. Does your sect of Christianity not believe in the OT?

unc2701

jdhdiggs wrote:

Don't see the kids killing in that and its still OT, but a lot closer.

Isaiah 13:16
"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished."
Isaiah 13:18
"Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children"

And yes it's OT- that was a followup to PolkThug's remark.

Demiurge

unc2701 wrote:

And how did Philip Shenon know? Judith Miller... she tipped off Holy Land Foundation charity ten day prior to Philip Shenon's gaff and she dropped the first article about frozen bank assets. Also documented by Patrick Fitzgerald. Now, sure that was still someone at the New York Times, but I'm guessing you're pro- Judith Miller.

Judith Miller and Philip Shenon both worked for the New York Times.

Neither worked for the Bush Administration.

Philip Shenon is the one who tipped off the GRF. I don't care who leaked what to whom, he is still the one who did the deed.

I love how you try to convolute the argument to try to weasel out of being wrong.

unc2701 wrote:

Do you? Go read the articles.

Yes, I did. Nice response to my points, though. I read the articles and they totally screwed over this countries ability to track terrorists. In fact they gave detailed information, inluding that they were using the SWIFT database in Belgium. If they didn't I'm not sure there would be a call to have them investigated under the Espionage Act.

I suggest you read the articles instead of acting informed and using Google to do your half-assed research.

From the articles you didn't read:

"Under a secret Bush administration program initiated weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, counterterrorism officials have gained access to financial records from a vast international database and examined banking transactions involving thousands of Americans and others in the United States, according to government and industry officials.
The program is limited, government officials say, to tracing transactions of people suspected of having ties to Al Qaeda by reviewing records from the nerve center of the global banking industry, a Belgian cooperative that routes about $6 trillion daily between banks, brokerages, stock exchanges and other institutions. The records mostly involve wire transfers and other methods of moving money overseas and into and out of the United States. Most routine financial transactions confined to this country are not in the database.

Viewed by the Bush administration as a vital tool, the program has played a hidden role in domestic and foreign terrorism investigations since 2001 and helped in the capture of the most wanted Qaeda figure in Southeast Asia, the officials said."

"The program has provided clues to money trails and ties between possible terrorists and groups financing them, the officials said. In some instances, they said, the program has pointed them to new suspects, while in others it has buttressed cases already under investigation.
Among the successes was the capture of a Qaeda operative, Riduan Isamuddin, better known as Hambali, believed to be the mastermind of the 2002 bombing of a Bali resort, several officials said. The Swift data identified a previously unknown figure in Southeast Asia who had financial dealings with a person suspected of being a member of Al Qaeda; that link helped locate Hambali in Thailand in 2003, they said.

In the United States, the program has provided financial data in investigations into possible domestic terrorist cells as well as inquiries of Islamic charities with suspected of having links to extremists, the officials said.

The data also helped identify a Brooklyn man who was convicted on terrorism-related charges last year, the officials said. The man, Uzair Paracha, who worked at a New York import business, aided a Qaeda operative in Pakistan by agreeing to launder $200,000 through a Karachi bank, prosecutors said.

In terrorism prosecutions, intelligence officials have been careful to "sanitize," or hide the origins of evidence collected through the program to keep it secret, officials said."

It's really not a secret after you tell the whole world and screw over the work of all of the itelligence agencies involved, as well as putting agents at risk.

unc2701 wrote:

I don't thing this guy is who you think he is. Pakistan leaked his capture to everyone. It went out on USA today, Reuters, AP, everything... Actually, I can't find anything from the times before March 2nd 2003, but here's a march 1st 2003 fox news:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79984,00.html

He was the mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The New York Times wrote an article about a top secret program that was used to track phone calls connected to numbers found in Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's cell phone at the time of his arrest.

You justify this, how?

unc2701 wrote:

Americans do... even american terrorists. And I think that the Supreme court know it's **** a lot better than you do.

They're going after terror suspects, and the FBI and CIA in a time of war aren't going to wait for a judge to okay something that needs immediate action. You don't wait until the bomb goes off to act.

As you well know, they almost always use the FISA court to gather the warrants. The measure is there so they can circumvent it when needed.

aaharvel

78 degrees outside.

Perfect for being shot by an Internet Cowboy and his band of loyal side-kicks.

PolkThug

unc2701 wrote:

And yes it's OT- that was a followup to PolkThug's remark.

I was thinking of a different incident in the OT where God ordered Moses and his crew to slay a town of non-believers.

PolkThug

hmm. Possibly, Deuteronomy 3:3-7. JD can look it up.

jdhdiggs

OT was before God handed down the new laws. The judgements there-in are replaced by the NT.

In other words (nutshell time): Christians read and believe both OT and NT. The OT provides the backstory and history. The NT is the new law and instructions on how to live that rewrites the old covenent. Jews follow the OT only.

There's a lot more to it, but that's the basic gist

The Deutronomy... Once again, confusing Jews with Christians. You could say those were Muslims as well as they followed moses and be just as accurate.

I'm done with the religion part as I think we've beaten it to death rather quickly that Andrews post about Christians was not based on a single idea preached at any Christian church and based purely on some BS from someones imagination.

aaharvel

jdhdiggs wrote:

I'm done with the religion part as I think we've beaten it to death rather quickly

Thank God.

jdhdiggs wrote:

that Andrews post about Christians was not based on a single idea preached at any Christian church and based purely on some BS from someones imagination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

read-alot

aaharvel wrote:

Actually I was spouting rhetoric from the bible. I showed you 3quotes already, one from Exodus, two from Leviticus. I don't have to prove anything to you. Even if I did, something tells me that you would just slap it down as nothing more than heresay. So it's pointless. Sorry, but i'm not going to fall for that trap.

Instead I think my time would be better spent nervously looking for a bullet-proof vest so Read-A-Lot's big bad friends don't shoot me when I go up to Wilkes Wednesday.

(Duncan Gun & Pawn Shop on HWY 18, Read-A-Lot.)

Oh you don't have to give me directions, I helped Mark build it.

Honestly though, your obviously a young brat who probably got brain washed at one of our finer UNC campuses like UNCG. When you grow up you will wise up, hopefully. I done here.