World War III

mrbigbluelight

Way to go Brettw22 ! You made the babies cry !!

....there, there, it's all right guys .....don't worry......we're all a little frightened.....there,there now...
....it's okay.....see....Grandpa's got a gun !.........Hey ! Gimme that thing back !.......



:rolleyes:

Demiurge

brettw22 wrote:

Alan has something to say to everyone......

Yes, and we all know Alan doesn't like pussies either.... :cool:

MacLeod

After 23 pages and several attempts by other member including the 5000 posts of "cowbell" made by aaharvel, I do belive Brett has finally succeeded in bringing this thread to a screeching hault!

Strong Bad

Thanks Brett, I'm blind now!

I have my seeing eye dog typing for me.

Brett, this is John's seeing eye dog. Good job! Now i can take a dump in the middle of the floor and watch this blind **** step in it!

Woof Woof!

Skynut

This is a little long and may be all b.s. but it is thought provoking.

It came in an e-mail today and may get this thread back on topic.

Let the Israelis get a good warm up for Iran and Syria. Im just tired of hearing about another round of peace talks. Same old story..same results. U.S. just needs to stay out of the way and forget the "honest broker" routine...what does it buy us? Condoleeza should focus on two things only...N. Korea and Iraq...no point in moving on to another problem until you have solved the most important ones to the USA.

--- Maggie Neidigh <goodnity@charter.net> wrote:


Then you may like this story off the internet (I found some flaws in the analogy)

When I was in the Navy, I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo Philippines) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship.

All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear.

Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx.

Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows.

Nobody moved. Not one person.

The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning fast fists making> contact with new areas of the Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker.

Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly.

Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back.

You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: "Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch]".

He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage.

This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong.

Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully.

Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked "I give up", and we gently backed the sailor away from him.

I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today.

I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors:

This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.

Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.

President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.

Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Arab Despot Dummies by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success: Instigate a war.

Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your **** handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire.

Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce.

Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle.

This tactic has never failed. Not once.

In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!

President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."

Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.

And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw.

As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.

BIZILL

SKYNUT... word.

cheddar

Well, although it's great to pound away at Lebanon, I think it would be even better if Isreal would take out Syria. That's a better long term solution than taking out an already shaky government. But interesting post Skynut.

ND13 wrote:

That was well before we knew very much about the BOMB. I would hope that if we were able to do it all over again, we would give Japan a demonstration of the bomb's real power before dropping it, to give them a choice...surrender or else.

Hmmm, and that would have been better than Hiroshima, because? Still needed Nagasaki to seal the deal and the Japanese military still wanted to go down fighting...using nukes was horrible for those two cities, but it turned Japan into a pacifist ally of the US just a few decades later.

Skynut

Syria may be a better target but for now they are dealing with Hezbollah and they need to beat them into submission before the next target.

The main point being that if the looser is not defeated to the point of surrender they feel like they were still a formidable opponent and will want to fight again sooner or later.
Once beaten they loose their image and have a hard time recruiting new members.

ND13

A month after the first bomb was tested, two nuclear weapons were exploded over Japan, at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There were many reasons for this. The official reason is that it would immediately end the war, thus saving the lives of thousands of American servicemen. Immediate deaths from the bomb are estimated to be about 100,000. This figure is astounding. However, it is comparable to the estimated number of casulaties that would have resulted from a Allied invasion of the Japanese home islands. However, the choice to drop the bombs on Japan is very controversial and there are many people that feel they were unneccsary, and that Japan would have surrenedered anyway.

Undoubtedly, the atomic bomb is the most powerful destructive force that mankind has ever wielded. However, many scientists defend their participation in it's creation:

At Los Alamos during World War II there was no moral issue with respect to working on the atomic bomb. Everyone was agreed on the necessity of stopping Hitler and the Japanese from destroying the free world. It was not an academic question ‚ our friends and relatives were being killed and we, ourselves, were desperately afraid.
-Joseph O. Hirschfelder, chemist

At Los Alamos we had some conversations on the subject and I must admit that my own position was that the atom bomb is no worse than the fire raids which our B-29s were doing daily in Japan, and anything to end the war quickly was the thing to do.
-George B. Kistiakowsky

Look, hindsight's 20/20. We dropped the bomb after only one test and within a month of said test. We had no effective means to measure the long term effects of a nuclear explosion, at that time, due to having no experience with nuclear fallout or radiation. It was a NEW technology that was rushed into, in order to stop the war before the Axis powers could finish with their development of the same type of weapon, which they were very close to achieving.

We just beat them to the punch.

Skynut

True that ND13.

If we had not killed that many of them in those two shots then, there would have been more deaths between the two sides before the end of the war.

Nukes suck, we know that now but, at that time they were the best tool we had to demonstrate our superior fighting power.

Bottom line is it worked.

cheddar

Yep, and lucky thing too. We only had a few bombs and nobody was sure they all worked. Imagine if we'd called out the Japanese brass to an island and the most we could have come up with was a dud.

I know nukes are horrible. And I'm not saying I know when and where we should use them if at all.

But today, nagasaki and hiroshima are thriving cities, Japan has no problem depending on nuclear power plants to light all their Tokyo neon signs, and the biggest threat we have from them is the PS3 beating out the 360 (to you demi...)

ND13

I guess what would make some people happy, would have been to invade Japan's islands, lose multi-thousands of US/Allied servicemen, while still having the same number of Japanese losses. The difference would have only been the addition of the Allied troops, billions of $$$s, and the war being drawn out even longer.:rolleyes:

Skynut

how many more posts before we have a page without the unwanted photos on it?

brettw22

Not many.....

BIZILL

brett, please stop with the pics. no more 'bombs' please. save them for your **** pic thread.:mad:

jdhdiggs

I love the logic of "I don't want to read this thread so I'll try and post something that a majority of the people around here will find objectionable. That way, everyone can be equally offended". And this is supposed to be the voice of reason? :rolleyes:

What? You mean I could just not read the posts in the thread? nonsense!

Skynut

How mature of you to push your issue on us.
You have asked me politley to not voice my opnions about the subject and then post pictures like that in a thread that does not warrent them.

I would appreciate it if you would take them to your picture thread where they belong.

Skynut

now if we could just get to that next page.

BIZILL

submit pics like those in a hezbollah chat room and they'd show up at your doorstep, wanting to take you for a ride. ahh, only in america can we have these freedoms to post whatever the heck we want to.:rolleyes:

jdhdiggs

Next page bump...

Skynut

Back on track (if possible) and on to a next page please.

Skynut

5 more posts

Skynut

I need to wash my eyes out with soap.

Skynut

Just to attempt to rid my memory of this atrocity.

BIZILL

never thought of the plain and obvious. was watching fox news last night and they did a time-chart of the UN's efforts to back iran down from their nuclear research. funny, seems hezbollah kidnapped those fellas around the perfect time needed to take focus away from iran...

Skynut

Perhaps battery acid will work faster.

Skynut

BIZILL wrote:

never thought of the plain and obvious. was watching fox news last night and they did a time-chart of the UN's efforts to back iran down from their nuclear research. funny, seems hezbollah kidnapped those fellas around the perfect time needed to take focus away from iran...

thats how it seems to be done.... Look over there, it's a squirrel

ND13

Here ya go

Demiurge

ND13 wrote:

Here ya go

Wow, that pic is crazy.

ND13

Demiurge wrote:

Wow, that pic is crazy.

That's from the Bikini Atoll test range. Today, one of Bikini Atoll's tourist attractions is to go diving for those ship wrecks off the coast of the Bikini islands.

Here's a whole site just for the nuke freak!!!!

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/index.html