Gas prices pissing you off???

AsSiMiLaTeD

gmorris wrote:

That's a stupid thing to say. I live in Akron, Ohio and work in Cleveland, Ohio. Since you're not stupid or lazy, look that up on a map. Tell me, how am I suppose to use public transportation that doesn't exist? There is no train or bus service from Akron to Cleveland for a commuter.

I also can't carpool, because no one I work with lives near me.

Damn man, lighten up! That wasn't even directed at you. You missed the whole point of his post though, nice...

That's just it - we NEED a good public transportation system. We don't have one (hence the reason why YOU can't use one).

We need to invest in good public transportation everywhere it's beneficial to do so. I don't know about where you live - but we really need a better system in the Dallas area - our DART system just doesn't cut it.

Skynut

Bart does not cut it either. It costs wifey like $14.00 a day to go to the city for work.
N.Y. has the system, $2.00 anywhere. More people would try Bart if it was $2.00.

PhantomOG

gas prices are high because of the president...

not because people are driving sub-15mpg monster trucks/SUVs for an hour to and from their house in the suburbs to work everyday :rolleyes:

i can guarantee you most of the population of the rest of the world would give anything to have this horrible lifestyle we have here everyday, including this terrible high gas price epidemic.

the *huge* disparity between the standard of living in the U.S. and most of the rest of the world is closing fast because of the typical American mindset of "entitlement" and not wanting to work hard.

i know most people here don't fit that mold but that's my gut feeling for the typical low-income worker in the U.S.

My father works at the office at a government assisted housing apartment complex. Everyday he has tenants come up and beg for extensions on their $20 monthly rent for a 2 bedroom apartment. These same people when evicted are the ones with plasma tv's in their living rooms. Hell, some of the tenants actually get PAID to live there. Make me f'ing sick.

ok, i'm done with my rant whew...

gmorris

Polkmaniac wrote:

Damn man, lighten up! That wasn't even directed at you. You missed the whole point of his post though, nice...

That's just it - we NEED a good public transportation system. We don't have one (hence the reason why YOU can't use one).

We need to invest in good public transportation everywhere it's beneficial to do so. I don't know about where you live - but we really need a better system in the Dallas area - our DART system just doesn't cut it.

Whoops, you are correct sir. I certainly did miss the point of that. My apologies.

dorokusai

Over A Barrel : Breaking the Middle East Oil Cartel - R. Learsy

Ron-P

Gas prices pissing you off???

No, not really, company gas card.

ND13

Sorry, but Americans are some of the hardest working people in the world. "Some" European nations have workers that work an average of "25 hours or so" a week and take 3-4 months a year off. The average American works 45-50 hours a week and is lucky if they can take a week or two off each year. I myself work 60-65 hours a week and that doesn't include the commute to work and back home which adds another 11/2-2 hours a day to that. I'm sure there are plenty of lazy people in the US that feel entitled, but most are hard working people.

Hell, I just took my first vacation in over 15 years and it was for only 9 days.

jdhdiggs

Hmm, I've spent most of the year working on projects for European companies and none of them were working 25 hour weeks. The minimum we saw was around 50. On guy stayed there from 6AM to 9PM 6 days a week.

The companies I did the projects for were based in Italy, Switzerland, Germany, and France. Maybe the rest of the countries are lazy...

PhantomOG

ND13 wrote:

Europeans work an average of 25 hours a week and take 3-4 months a year off.

I find this *extremely* hard to believe.

Regardless, my comments are more directed towards developing countries like China and India.

Also, as I said, I know everyone here isn't like that. I just know that there are lots out there who are.

CrBoy

Here we pay $3.18 per galon... the goverment will increase the fare by 10% any time soon...

ND13

jdhdiggs wrote:

Hmm, I've spent most of the year working on projects for European companies and none of them were working 25 hour weeks. The minimum we saw was around 50. On guy stayed there from 6AM to 9PM 6 days a week.

The companies I did the projects for were based in Italy, Switzerland, Germany, and France. Maybe the rest of the countries are lazy...

I never said they were lazy and I should have said it was the Nordic nations. I saw this on a PBS show a few years back and things may have changed since the Europeans have basically combined their economies in order to compete. I just was upset when another post was saying that Americans, excluding us Club Polk members, are lazy. I shouldn't have such knee-jerk reactions.

ND13

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04333/417837.stm

http://www.careerjournal.com/myc/workabroad/20041123-sterling.html

http://www.fedee.com/workinghours.shtml

http://itotd.com/index.alt?ArticleID=351

http://www.libraryspot.com/know/workweek.htm

Things have changed over the last few years in Europe, but from what I just read they still don't work as many hours as the average American and are limited to a max of 48. They also get mucho paid vacation time. As you can see from the chart in the third link, the Netherlands is still in the low 30s per week for all workers. Some of that has to do with their weather I'm told.

I'll try to find out what show that was on PBS. The show was basically trying to show Americans that other nations have a nice standard of living and don't kill themselves in doing it. They are much more productive while at work, because they are much more rested and not burned out.

MacLeod

I blame hippies!

Ya know we havent built a new nuclear plant in this country in 30 years?!

Ya know we havent build a new oil refinery in this country in 25 yerars?!

Ya know there is 30 years worth of oil in Alaska?!

Ya know there is believed to be the largest oil find in history in the Gulf of Mexico?!

3 guesses who is standing in the way of this. Stinking rotten hippies in the environmentalist wacko movement.

AsSiMiLaTeD

/in my best Cartman voice

I hate hippies...

CrBoy

Here (CR) we work around 54 per week... only a 2-week vacation per year... we make no more than one third of the salary of a Burger King employee (in the US)... BUT WE HAVE TO PAY AS MUCH FOR THE GAS AS YOU GUYS DO...

Sucks to live here... :mad:

Ron-P

My thoughts are quite complex on this matter, visualize this!

nadams

MacLeod wrote:

I blame hippies!

Ya know we havent built a new nuclear plant in this country in 30 years?!

Wrongo- http://www.pplweb.com/ppl+generation/nuclear+plants/ppl+susquehanna.htm

This ones within 10 mi of me.

Heyhey! Here's another one around Phila-

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/limerick.html

nellis8166

Buy a diesel and get a conversion kit so the vehicle runs on vegtable oil. Problem solved. Your exhaust smells like french fries, but what the hell...it's free. You can stock up at your local chinese restaurant.

Ricardo

CrBoy wrote:

Here (CR) we work around 54 per week... only a 2-week vacation per year... we make no more than one third of the salary of a Burger King employee (in the US)... BUT WE HAVE TO PAY AS MUCH FOR THE GAS AS YOU GUYS DO...

Sucks to live here... :mad:

CrBoy...please excuse my ignorance...what does CR stand for? Costa Rica? Croatia?

petrym

I did a comparison of Ethanol 10% (E10) and regular gas and worked a spreadsheet to check on cost/return. 4540 miles on E10 averaged 18.15 mpg. 4494 miles on regular averaged 19.33. Extrapolating out the numbers showed that I had to burn an extra 15 gallons of E10 to travel the same distance.

Even if E10 were 8 cents cheaper over regular gas (which it isn't now), over the 4500 mile trial I'd still save $18.50 by burning the "more expensive" regular gas. Ethanol has lower energy output per unit of mass. Diesel on the other hand has more energy than gasoline. I'd seriously consider a diesel these days for my next car.

George Grand

Sean,

The woman comment was tongue-in-cheek, just like the Iraqi oil flowing any day now comment.

People WHO CAN, don't seem to want to carpool or use mass transit. Their loss. I only wish I could ride something like the N.Y.C. subway system to work here in Jersey. I have very fond memories of taking the subway from Brooklyn into Manhattan every day for about two years, right out of high school. For 50 cents, you got from point A to point B, and then there was the show.

We're selfish, and don't want to be inconvenienced in the slightest. AND DAMN, whoever made the post about people being more interested in Terrel Owens and the Filthadelphia Eagles than anything else, AMEN BROTHER!!!!! You should try being within 30 miles of that shithole city and the knuckleheads that inhabit it. I light candles and pray that someone will blow his freakin' head off on live tv when he's "granting" an interview in the circus that is outside his front door. Now THAT is only about 10 miles from here in Moorestown, N.J. Don't be surprised if you are watching one of said interviews, and all of a sudden a large, white, Chevy Caprice Brougham LS (shark-like) starts parting the crowd ala The Blues Brothers and the ****'s on the bridge. With Eat Me from Animal House painted on the side, just for the occasion.

George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)

MacLeod

nadams wrote:

Wrongo- http://www.pplweb.com/ppl+generation/nuclear+plants/ppl+susquehanna.htm

This ones within 10 mi of me.

Heyhey! Here's another one around Phila-

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/limerick.html

Those are the dates the plants went online. Theyd been built for years before. They dont just switch them on as soon as they get built, it takes years to hire a crew and train them.

My pop retired from Sequoyah Nuclear Plant here in Tennessee. When he started the plant had been built several years but was still not online as they were preparing the crew and generally getting everything in order to go. Aint like just flilpping a switch.

So those that went online in 83 had probably been built since 80 or 79. So to get technical, it hasnt been 30 years....only 26. :rolleyes:

Sami

ND13 wrote:

They are much more productive while at work, because they are much more rested and not burned out.

Productivity really is the key. Here in America people go BS'ing around and not doing real work. Hours on the job are totally different thing than hours actually working. Also most people do work 40h or more a week, 48 weeks a year. Those who have short days and weeks are the ones on low paying jobs where they barely make enough to afford rent. Also, I worked the same hours in Europe I work here and I get the same vacation hours (right now at 4.5wk + 1wk personals). And in here it is expected you use your sick days (2wk) when in Europe you most of the time went to work even sick. So that's 7.5wk of time off if I would decide to use the sick days.

Where else do you see drive-through this, drive-through that? Where else do you see 300lb ladies circling 30min around the parking lot trying to find the closest space to the front door at their local buffet instead of parking a little further and walking from there? You also don't see people driving their bike (as in bicycle, not motorcycle) to work or to grocery store, or walking a mile to catch a bus. I quess it all starts from childhood when you get to ride the school bus instead of walking or riding a bike to school.

George Grand

OR, the fat lady has a handicapped placard or license plates. The only handicap these folks have is they never met a freakin' cheeseburger they didn't like. THAT is the one that gets me real fired up.

Handicapped parking spots at the flea market. You have to park in the first row? What, you're just not going to be able to WALK AROUND ALL MORNING unless you get that handicapped spot? I see those folks getting out of the car, if they're not in a wheelchair, or obviously impaired in some way, it is BOTH BARRELs baby!

George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)

Sami

LOL, now that reminds me of my personal favourite, "convinience wheelchair". I have actually seen people shopping in wheelchairs and then when they find something they might like, they stand up and take a few steps to get a closer look... :eek:

Toxis

wow, just went up to $2.69 here for the cheap stuff. DAMN YOU!!!

DarqueKnight

F1nut wrote:

Gas prices pissing you off???

Nope, not at all.

The state of Louisiana was projecting a huge budget deficit for the next fiscal year with a commensurate cut in state services (like, for instance, EDUCATION). Remember, states do not have the luxury of deficit spending like the federal government. If oil prices remain at or close to current levels, Louisiana will realize a substantial budget surplus next year.

Danny Tse

Toxis wrote:

wow, just went up to $2.69 here for the cheap stuff. DAMN YOU!!!

I wish it's $2.69 here....$3.15/gallon for 87 octane self-serve unleaded here in San Francisco. :mad:

Skynut.....I take BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) everyday to and from work. I sincerely believe that the Bay Area has one of the better developed public transportation system in this country, yet the people who runs these agencies could care less because there is no incentive to improve. BART is raising fares soon and for those of us who don't want/can't afford to pay the upcoming $4.00 bridge toll (due to cost overruns on the building of the new Bay Bridge -- yeah, right), there's no other choice. All these public transportation agencies can be more efficient, but they just don't want to.

The lack of an all-encompassing energy policy, from the horrible designs of roadways to the lack of implementation of fuel efficiency standards, is now catching up with us. A prudent energy policy must be the top priority of our government, and we should hold the politicians to that task.

Dennis Gardner

I don't think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Out here in the oil patch, my business is experiencing double digit growth and record profits. No I'm not in an oil related field. Yeah, it costs a little more to get shipments out here, but I remember the boom/bust in this region in the early '80s and personally know hundreds of friends that went hungry when oil dropped down around $10-$12/barrel and we were hurt for over 10 years.

What goes up, finds its way back down.

Compared to Aquafina that each and every one of you have consumed at around $10-$11/gallon, gas is cheap.

Go back to work, earn a buck and stop bitchin'.

I've seen just enough recent stories on Niger, Iraq, Indonesian tsunami victims etc. to keep my life in perspective and realize that I can't think of another country that I would want my family to be a citizen of.

If ya can't afford the gas, sell your audio gear on the FM, I'll pickup on it.

Mazeroth

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050814/ap_on_hi_te/hybrid_tinkerers;_ylt=AkO2ZPgm6IT9BAZQjrxurR2s0NUE;_ylu=

How ironic that politicians and automakers are saying it will take years to get the technology rolling and then you get guys like this and they do it in their garage. We already have the technology for hybrids and these guys say that automakers will only have to add $6,000 to a car's price tag.