EtherREGEN's - A discussion about them and what it is they do....

treitz3 · January 6

No, he is once again talking about something he has no first hand experience with and based upon your quote, has no intention to either. He should go crap on another thread and let the folks who want to learn about this device learn without constant and unneeded advice of which he knows nothing about.

The empirical evidence alone speaks volumes. Also, one cannot hook up a clock to any of the TP-Link switches. That's one of the advantages of the ER.

Tom

DarqueKnight · January 6

invalid wrote: »

jbreezy5 wrote: »

invalid wrote: »

If topping made it, then it would be a great product.

Actually, the EtherRegen measures just fine; however, the price is unwarranted, as it measures no better than an inexpensive TP-Link gigabit switch.

Some people like to waste their money I suppose.

I take it that you bought one and compared it to TP-Link gigabyte switch?

I bought an EtherREGEN and compared it to a $35 Cisco SG110D-08 switch. I found the EtherREGEN to be audibly better with music and visibly better with high resolution video.

I used to have my computer audio gear and home theater video streaming gear plugged into the Ethernet ports of an Amped Wireless Athena EX range extender. Placing a Cisco SG110D-08 switch (again, $35) between the range extenders and my audio and video equipment resulted in better sound and video quality. I also experimented with replacing the electrically noisy switch mode power supplies of the Cisco and EtherREGEN switches with linear power supplies. I heard and saw improvements with cheap TeraDak LPSs with both the Cisco and EtherREGEN. I did further experiments with improved DC power cables for the EtherREGEN and the NAS in my two channel stereo system.

I have a second EtherREGEN in my computer audio rig at work. The B-side Ethernet port of the EtherREGEN is limited to 100 Mbps, which is too slow for uncompressed 4K UHD video streaming. The EtherREGEN v2 will have a B-side 1 Gbps Ethernet port. The EtherREGEN v1 performed well with 2K Blu-ray streaming. It performed well with 4K Blu-ray streaming as long as the bit rate stayed below 100 Mbps.

My review of the EtherREGEN in my two channel stereo system and home theater system:

https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/190575/etherregen-audiophile-ethernet-switch-video-and-audio-review

Some of my experiments using linear power supplies with ordinary networking equipment:

https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/comment/2511598

jbreezy5 · January 6

invalid wrote: »

jbreezy5 wrote: »

invalid wrote: »

If topping made it, then it would be a great product.

Actually, the EtherRegen measures just fine; however, the price is unwarranted, as it measures no better than an inexpensive TP-Link gigabit switch.

Some people like to waste their money I suppose.

I take it that you bought one and compared it to TP-Link gigabyte switch?

Lol, “invalid” presupposition. A switch doesn’t produce sound, it transfers data. Hello!

Both switches measured the same; at approx. -120dB, which Amir states (scientific fact, btw) anything below -116dB is inaudible. Did you even read the article I so conveniently provided?

Open-minded people read information and learn from it.

I post something that could save forum members money and am asked if I listened to an inaudible device.

Amir is an expert in the field concerning network switches. He explains very plainly why he has right to be called such in the review, in which he not only measures the EtherRegen, but also, listens to it and compares “sonics” (nada, he concludes) to the TP-Link.

That is the purpose of a review, right? To learn from someone whom has heard an audio component what it does, or doesn’t sound like.

Being an audiophile doesn’t mean we have to ignore empirical evidence; nor does it mean, that empirical evidence can’t inform our subjective impressions. Amir said he heard no difference (subjective experience) and backed it up with measurements.

Do you need more proof? I don’t.

jbreezy5 · January 6

Notice how Tom speaks like he’s an expert, but the whole basis of this post is him stating how he knows nothing on the subject.

He admits he has no experience, then asserts himself. Brilliant logic!

Good reason to ignore a true expert in the field (Amir, that is, for the eisegetes who would mistakenly think I’m referring to myself).

invalid · January 6

I didn't mention sound

jbreezy5 · January 6

invalid wrote: »

I didn't mention sound

Ok @invalid, I didn’t need to; as stated already, Amir did the work, and I trust it. Duh

As a bonus, it happens to measure below the threshold of human hearing. Good, @invalid, repetition is one way to learn.

treitz3 · January 6

Go thread crap somewhere else.

Tom

Gardenstater · January 6

Why don't you read Darqueknight's review? Amir isn't the only person on the planet, "expert" or otherwise. Whenever I hear "expert" I shudder. Different people use different analysis techniques.

rebelsoul · January 6

My lhy sw-8 and sw-10 are sw-8 comparable and sw-10 surpasses

treitz3 · January 6

Oh, dear lawd.....Amir an expert? LOL. Is that the BS you are now spewing? Just stop. Jeez, some people's kids...

Tom

jbreezy5 · January 6

Gardenstater wrote: »

Why don't you read Darqueknight's review? Amir isn't the only person on the planet, "expert" or otherwise. Whenever I hear "expert" I shudder. Different people use different analysis techniques.

Actually, you are making my argument for me. Why are so many here afraid to trust a review outside of polkaudioforum?

Many just blindly follow Tom, and come to his defense even when his logic is bad.

To each his own.

treitz3 · January 6

Whatever you are saying (Again, you are on ignore for a reason), please....I beg of you. Just put me on ignore as well and be on your merry way. Quit F'n up my threads and being a troll. I don't even need to see what you write/type/spew out of your mouth.

Get lost. You and I will NEVER see eye to eye.

Now, can we please get back to the subject of the thread?

Tom

jbreezy5 · January 6

treitz3 wrote: »

Oh, dear lawd.....Amir an expert? LOL. Is that the BS you are now spewing? Just stop. Jeez, some people's kids...

Tom

Tom, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Sit down, be silent and learn from someone who knows far more than you.

Otherwise, please supply your own measurements to demonstrate that you’re at least Amir’s peer.

Spare everyone from your typical “what hits these ears” subjective nonsense and calling that empirical evidence. Horrendous.

treitz3 · January 6

Let me remind you of the rules of the forum....

1) Stick to the topic of the forum. This way information is easily categorized to make it easy for new members to access. Threads or posts that do not contain relevant information will be removed.

2) Trolling - members who make a conscious effort to inflame or irritate others will be subject to warnings and/or bans.

5) No baiting or fighting. Personal attacks, trouble making, inappropriate language, or any threatening or offensive behavior will not be tolerated.

Tom

jbreezy5 · January 6

treitz3 wrote: »

Let me remind you of the rules of the forum ;(Remind yourself, hypocrite!)...

1) Stick to the topic of the forum. (I am)

2) Trolling - members who make a conscious effort to inflame or irritate others will be subject to warnings and/or bans. (Why isn’t Tom banned yet, then?)

5) No baiting or fighting. Personal attacks, trouble making, inappropriate language, or any threatening or offensive behavior will not be tolerated. (Tom, you personally attack me, and others, perpetually. I merely confront your bad behavior.)

If you are “ignoring me”, then be about it. I choose to help others consider a view that perhaps varies from yours. First Amendment, Tom. Cope!

treitz3 · January 6

Infuriating. Those that would like to read about and learn about the ER have to put up with your constant interruptions. It's rather sad.

Once again, I ask you to just leave and put me on ignore.

Tom

jbreezy5 · January 7

Gardenstater wrote: »

Why don't you read Darqueknight's review? Amir isn't the only person on the planet, "expert" or otherwise. Whenever I hear "expert" I shudder. Different people use different analysis techniques.

I read Darqueknight’s review; it’s purely subjective.

Why don’t you read Amir’s review? It is both objective and subjective. Your turn to expand your horizon and consider another point of view.

I only shudder when someone claims to be an expert, and they are not. Also when someone admits they’re not an expert, but then asserts themselves as though they are one.

F1nut · January 7

Amir?...LOL....LMAO....LOL

daddyjt · January 7

jbreezy5 wrote: »

…Why don’t you read Amir’s review?...

Amir’s reviews are worthless. Anyone can run a series of measurements (including his holy-grail - SINAD) and say one piece of gear is better than another. The problem is, near as I can tell, he never actually listens to the gear he “reviews”. I put ears to one of his vaunted Topping amplifiers, and it sounded like a PA amplifier - completely dead. I stopped caring how gear measured a long time ago. I am much more interested in how gear sounds now. After all, isn’t that what the hobby is about? Amir has mis-lead countless people by teaching them to rely on measurements…

nooshinjohn · January 7

What I don’t get is how someone can tell another what they are hearing when they have never listened to that person’s setup in the first place. I don’t care if it is the best gear in the world or a Hello Kitty boom box. If it sounds fantastic to them or if they hear things you don’t, who the eff are you to insist otherwise.

Toolfan66 · January 7

jbreezy5 wrote: »

Gardenstater wrote: »

Why don't you read Darqueknight's review? Amir isn't the only person on the planet, "expert" or otherwise. Whenever I hear "expert" I shudder. Different people use different analysis techniques.

I read Darqueknight’s review; it’s purely subjective.

Why don’t you read Amir’s review? It is both objective and subjective. Your turn to expand your horizon and consider another point of view.

I only shudder when someone claims to be an expert, and they are not. Also when someone admits they’re not an expert, but then asserts themselves as though they are one.

Gardenstater · January 7

jbreezy5 wrote: »

Gardenstater wrote: »

Why don't you read Darqueknight's review? Amir isn't the only person on the planet, "expert" or otherwise. Whenever I hear "expert" I shudder. Different people use different analysis techniques.

I read Darqueknight’s review; it’s purely subjective.

Why don’t you read Amir’s review? It is both objective and subjective. Your turn to expand your horizon and consider another point of view.

I only shudder when someone claims to be an expert, and they are not. Also when someone admits they’re not an expert, but then asserts themselves as though they are one.

I read Amir's review a couple years ago and just skimmed it again yesterday. I don't think measurements have no purpose. I wonder if the guy might not have good ears though. Lots of people don't.

Darqueknight's review was not entirely subjective. He compared a small pixel region of his screen and I could see more contrast and detail.

VR3 · January 7

Based on the reviews I've read, Amir stopped listening to music a long time ago.

treitz3 · January 10

Getting back to the discussion....

This is a quote from a member of this forum who is highly respected. I hope he does not mind me re-posting his words from another forum...

When I am done with my EtherREGEN peripheral upgrades, the total cost will be over 10 times the price of the EtherREGEN, because I opted for:

AfterDark Emperor Double Crown clock

Farad Super3 linear power supply

Revelation Audio Labs Cat8+ Ethernet cables

Revelation Audio Labs 75 ohm clock cable

PS Audio AC-12 power cables for the Super3 LPS and AfterDark clock

The fact that the EtherREGEN responds very favorably to peripheral upgrades is a testament to its excellent low noise performance characteristics. If the resolution quality was not there in the first place, differences in Ethernet cables, clocks, clock cables, power supplies, and power cords would not be discernible or as easily discernible.

With my EtherREGEN(s), I started out small. From the original SMPS, I moved to a TeraDak DC-30 12V/2A linear power supply, then to a TeraDak DC-50W 12V/4A linear power supply. I started with ordinary Cat5e Ethernet cables and progressed from there to the controversial higher performance, lower noise, audio grade Ethernet cables. I was quite surprised by the stereophonic sound quality improvements achieved with an inexpensive (under $100) 10 MHz clock. Those sonic improvements were further enhanced by powering the clock with an inexpensive linear power supply and using a better power supply power cable and a better clock cable.

This was a post from back in 2021. I am experiencing the same thing (albeit with differing gear). This is one of the wonderful things about this particular switch.

More to come within the next month. Suffice it to say? This is one of the best things I have purchased along my audio journey.

Tom

treitz3 · January 10

That said, going back to before we got interrupted....

I was able to run across a very interesting thread that has a link to a white paper, written by John Swinson. For those that are interested in learning more about the ER, this is a great place to get your learn on.

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62477-john-swenson-tutoring-paper-considerations-regarding-usage-of-external-reference-clocks-etherregen-and-other-sine-vs-square-impedance-cables—and-a-money-saving-surprise-at-the-end/

When you have the time? Read about the white paper. It is enlightening. FWIW.

Tom

GlennDog · January 11

I'm waiting with bated breath for the EtherREGEN Gen 2 to become available . . . when folks . . . WHEN?

treitz3 · January 11

No doubt! I checked my emails last night. Still haven't gotten one from them yet.

Soon. *fingers crossed*

Tom

DarqueKnight · January 11

treitz3 wrote: »

Getting back to the discussion....

This is a quote from a member of this forum who is highly respected. I hope he does not mind me re-posting his words from another forum...

Tom

Of course not. Glad you achieved good results.

treitz3 · January 14

Thanks on both accounts. I was able to run across an older post by Alex, the owner of UpTone Audio and he stated this about the ER gen2 -

Tom

treitz3 · January 20

Okay, as time has marched on? It seems this EtherREGEN seems to be one of my most prized purchases.

Not just because of what it does by itself but because of what you can do with it.

That 10MHz input leaves the door WIDE open to a world of opportunities. @DarqueKnight, I would like to thank you profusely for your help in this thread and others in helping me sort through something that, one year ago, I knew nothing about.

When I reflect back on this journey, it all started with a cheap $14 Ethernet cable. That was the most expensive $14 cable I ever experienced.

More later but I will say this. Those that stream and want to continually improve things as your budget allows? This EtherREGEN is the ticket.

Tom

EtherREGEN's - A discussion about them and what it is they do....

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