Musical Fidelity Tri Vista integrated
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I sent an email to TMR and got this response today:
Hi Harry, those are an extra set of preamp outputs. They do appear to be aftermarket, but they were so professionally installed, that our techs assumed they were stock. I hope that's helpful. Very nice integrated.
josh
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They don’t have a clue!!
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"Their techs "? Wow....HT SYSTEM-
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Yeah. I’ve bought and traded a couple of items with/from TMR but I would be out on this one. Surprises me on the replies. Tells a lot about the knowledge and research of the items on the site.2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Silver 4+ Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon and Hurricane Power Cables
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Sadly, this casts a little shade on TMR...at least for customized items."This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
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I have zero experience with TMR or the Tri Vista. Apologies to those tempted by my post... I had no idea there was anything amiss.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Again, to me, if a pro did it, I want to know who made the mod. A pro in my opinion, would not make another set of outputs both the same color, and what could they have tapped off of to do this that wouldn't mess with the sound?Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's.
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So the tri Vista, my understanding of the schematics that audio plus sent me is this.
The preamp section of the tri Vista has one input and two outs by design. There is a control board that operates relays to decide which input the preamp sees. See my crude drawing.
So there are a million ways he could have randomly wired another set of outs by just running a positive and negative lead off an out. The problem is I don't believe the tri Vista preamp section is designed to run three output signals at a time at its output voltage but I could be wrong.
When not in use it shouldn't change the signal.
I'm not an electronics engineer so I could be off base on how the preamp section works.
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What gets me is, they apparently were too lazy to just pop the top and look. Those extra pre amp inputs could not even be wired up. If they are too lazy to pop the top on a piece this valued, what does that say for other items they sell of lessor value. What they just turn it on, make sure all controls work and that's it? That's not "tech work", a 5th grader can do that.HT SYSTEM-
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I'm a big MF fan, and nice to see this pop up, but I'm glad you guys are passing on it.
I understand the temptation due to rarity, but they're asking a premium price for this. It's a little beat up with no known history, no oe box and packing, and no solid history/explanation on that mod. As mentioned, I'd want to see photos of its implementation first hand to judge for myself whether I'd be comfortable moving forward with it.
It likely works fine and/or could be restored to original if what Trey posts is the likely path to creating the additional preouts, but all of these things together devalue the piece significantly for me to the point that it would be a pass. I wouldn't even take it at $1500 because I'd always be wondering whether I was getting the proper experience.
Most of us are pretty serious about gear. I don't like my stuff molested. This could also be a hard sell down the road should one decide to move it, not to mention, paying the premium just to get it in the house.
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I requested a picture of the inside where the mod is done..
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I requested a picture of the inside where the mod is done..
I went to MF's website it it re-directed me for support from a USA distributor : ticket@focal-naim.com. I did send an email to see if they have any kind of record of a modification to the unit.Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's. -
Looking at that internal pic above (even though it is not the actual unit in question), is it common to have RCA connectors inside an amp like that? Seems like an odd design choice versus simply direct wiring."This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
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Hello Brian,
We have no trace of this unit here. Sorry !
The extra RCAs do seem to be of very high quality.
What would be really helpful would be a photo of the inside, showing where these RCAs are connecting to.
If they are simply wired in parralel with the original PreOuts, it would be perfect.
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Looking at that internal pic above (even though it is not the actual unit in question), is it common to have RCA connectors inside an amp like that? Seems like an odd design choice versus simply direct wiring.
Very common.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Looking at that internal pic above (even though it is not the actual unit in question), is it common to have RCA connectors inside an amp like that? Seems like an odd design choice versus simply direct wiring.
Funny, I had wondered this same thing just last week when my friend sent me a pic of the innards of his Music Hall Mambo and I spotted RCAs. So it does seem common like @F1nut says.
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We shouldn't let those two RCA terminals divert us from thinking about what other mods might have been made that are not apparent."Sometimes you have to look to the past to understand where you are going in the future"Anger is just anger. It isn’t good. It isn’t bad. It just is. What you do with it is what matters.
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BlueBirdMusic wrote: »We shouldn't let those two RCA terminals divert us from thinking about what other mods might have been made that are not apparent.
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I got pics. Looks like they used Monster cable inside. I sent them to the Musical Fidelity distributor as well.Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's.
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I got the same pics from Ben. So my question wouldn't splitting that off like they did change the sound quality and impedance since they tapped it off of mains? I see he said it doesn't effect the operation as an integrated but, I would think it would change the sound some? I am not electronically inclined, I am making a guess on the alteration.
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Anything Monster in a MF is pretty laughable IMO!!
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Assuming! They didn't dick around with anything else, that is easily reversible- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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I guarantee that monster cable degraded the sound.Political Correctness'.........defined
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"Michel Rousseau , said 37 minutes ago
Hello Brian,
It all looks very good.
I had our own tech examine the work and it looks professionally made with high quality components.
That extra pair od RCAs is in fact an Input.
It should be labelled as Power Amp In, rigt next to the Preamp Out.
This makes it possible for you to use the unit asa stand alone Preamp with another Amp, or only as an Amp with another Preamp.
Again, the work was well done and should not affect the unit's performance.
It would still be a good idea for you to listen to it before you buy, just to confirm.
My best
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I am still leery of buying it and taking a chance on it. I don't know enough myself to have it reversed or anything and would hate to spend that kind of money and then pay to have it looked at. If they lowered it down to like $1000 or $1400, I might take a chance but, again, I would want it looked at.Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's.
