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nooshinjohn

Simple.... though I believe we can and should do a better job of taking care of our planet, I do not believe the influence of mankind has much to do with global warming... I remember 40 years ago scientists saying we were headed for another “ice age”. Then it was “global warming” and now it’s called “climate change”... and mankind is the devil behind it all. The truth is that the earth has been significantly hotter over a period of thousands of years, and colder than it is today, and that was hundreds of thousands of years before mankind took his first breath.

We had an ice age less than 20k years ago that drove humans to the brink of extinction. 2500 years ago the temperature was about 5 degrees warmer than today... I know we contribute to species extinctions, destruction of habitats, pollution amok, and we absolutely need to do better.

We don’t need to reduce populations, destroy economies, and restrict our freedoms and liberty to do it...

F1nut

^ Someone is twisting the facts ^

Here's the truth.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/10/24/yes-the-u-s-leads-all-countries-in-reducing-carbon-emissions/

F1nut

There's no link to back up your post as fact. At least Robert Rapier presented a balanced view and therefore far more believable.

Regardless, it matters not as one can find "facts" on just about any topic.

pitdogg2

yawn...

F1nut

Kex wrote: »

You can prove anything when you don’t really care.

Well, I'm glad you finally admitted that.

pitdogg2

time for this one to go to the carbon grave

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Interesting turn of a thread after a great day at work!

Ah the ole cherry picking the data technique to support your viewpoint. I get a lot of that at work! Everybody had a favorite authority, why, because it comports with your beliefs.

My thought is, does anybody really know? Mother Nature, after all. Do we really have the audacity to think we are that smart enough to anticipate what she'll do?

As cited earlier, it was the upcoming ice age that never came to fruition, and the fact that the earth didn't end after Al Gore's proclamation. And recently others, who claim the demise of the earth is very near. 12 years, IIRC.

Sure, there are common sense things we can do. Just to be clean, or green in the common vernacular. Makes sense to me, and I do those common sense things. But the difference for me is, that I have the choice to do those things.

But, when institutions proclaim dire consequences, purvey fear, and adopt legislation that forces a revenue drain, or transfer, to individuals or groups, that's where I take pause.

You mean I have to pay more for a vehicle because of it's carbon footprint? My company has to pay penalties or purchase "carbon offsets" from brokers or other institutions (government) because our average carbon footprint exceeds some arbitrary limit? Really? We're taxing air now?

Oh yeah, I recall the ozone scare of a few decades back. Did all those regulations and penalties and forcing industry to scrap their old technology and design, spend huge amounts of capital resources, really heal our ozone layer? There is data to cherry pick either way.

And one of my personal favorites, regulating the gallons per flush on the trusty ole throne! Remember having to 2 flush those early designs, that met the letter of the regulation, but really didn't perform as expected.

There are so many unintended consequences of knee jerk reactions to general trends in nature.

We have highlighted many of them in this thread.

Again, Mother Nature, do we really know her? Just my thoughts to this very civil and genteel debate! Carry on!

mhardy6647

gentile?

don't go there, bubbeleh.



genteel, maybe.

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mhardy6647 wrote: »

gentile?

don't go there, bubbeleh./i]



genteel, maybe.

Thank you sir! Fixed in time! Whew!

tonyb

Pollution and climate change are 2 different things.

Absolutely we need to do better with pollution and being better stewards of the planet. Again, who are the biggest polluters ? Asia is, and you won't change that without going to war over it.

CO2 emissions are not a measure to be used , especially when we are talking miniscule amounts in differences. We need CO2, plants need it to grow ya know.

I think the telling factor was, at the Paris accord they said something like if all cars were banned, how much change of co2 in the atmosphere could we expect. The answer was a paltry .1 %. Man made co2 wasn't around when the planet went through major climate shifts. It always has, and always will, from forces beyond our control. Climate runs in patterns, cycles....big longer time frame cycles with little cycles inside. Real science has proven that decades ago and it has not been challenged by anyone.

What is being sold today is fear, and that fear will be used to wrestle control away from individuals and countries. That fear is being projected onto our youth also. If you can't get enough adults to swallow your B.S., go after the kids eh.

Fear is a powerful tool, it's used in everything to gain control. Parents instill a bit of fear in parenting, religion instills fear in a God, workplaces instill fear of loss of jobs, politics obviously uses it daily. Some instill fear while training their dog even.

The whole climate change junk is a way of instilling fear to train mass amounts of people like a dog, to control people, their actions, remove many freedoms, and answer to only one global master. Crude way of putting it, but you can't tell me you don't feel like your being trained, because you are.

tonyb

Kex wrote: »

And of course you have definitive proof to back up this claim? I’ll still take my advice from the experts in their field. Somebody is actually prepared to pay them a salary for their knowledge.

Nobody paid attention to the 500 scientists who claimed there was no climate emergency. Maybe because their opinions weren't bought off like so many others. Dangle enough grant money in front of a scientist, they can produce any graph you want.

Another example of this is the drug companies who use "scientists" to proclaim their drugs are safe to come to market. Professionals in their field, we should take their advice no questions asked, right ?

Until years later the detrimental effects of such drugs come to light. When you own the scientists, they are not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

This is why we have such a diverse opinion about climate change among scientists. Some are independent, others are bought and paid for.

tonyb

sucks2beme wrote: »

In the end nobody talks about the elephant in the room. Human population.
You drop the world population in half, you solve a lot of problems.
The US population without immigration was pretty much parity.
Japan and much of Europe without immigration was on the downturn.
Too many parts of the world still embrace unchecked procreation.
At some point we run out of everything. You want less US carbon impact?
REDUCE POPULATION. Good luck getting buy in on that.

Good point, but you know how to reduce populations easy peasy ?

War....works wonders.

tonyb

F1nut wrote: »

You want climate change you can believe in? Wait until one of the thousands of volcanoes blows it's top as they have done in the past throwing mankind and every other living thing on earth into a real crisis. After all, mother nature has a way of resetting this planet like nothing else.

Bingo, or a meteor strike like has happened many times in the past. Your zero emission car will mean squat in comparison to mother nature. Your gas guzzler is squat too.

Far too many things need our attention and money, to better the lives of the people today. Throwing more money, and giving more power to politicians
/governments is suppose to save the planet ? That would make a good cartoon in the Sunday funnies. We can't even save ourselves, but we think we can save a planet ? LMAO

kevhed72

I, for one, enjoy the harmful effects of pollution from gasoline and diesel engines, the gradual increase in global temperatures, and the eventual complete destabilization of the Middle East because of our dependance on oil.

kevhed72

tonyb wrote: »

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F1nut wrote: »

You want climate change you can believe in? Wait until one of the thousands of volcanoes blows it's top as they have done in the past throwing mankind and every other living thing on earth into a real crisis. After all, mother nature has a way of resetting this planet like nothing else.

Bingo, or a meteor strike like has happened many times in the past. Your zero emission car will mean squat in comparison to mother nature. Your gas guzzler is squat too.

Far too many things need our attention and money, to better the lives of the people today. Throwing more money, and giving more power to politicians
/governments is suppose to save the planet ? That would make a good cartoon in the Sunday funnies. We can't even save ourselves, but we think we can save a planet ? LMAO

There are plenty of free market solutions to the problems of waste, pollution, and climate change...if people are willing to acknowledge there is a problem. I didn't see anyone in this thread advocate any huge government program to deal with the issues.

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I find myself compelled to this thread after a day of work. Today was a very good day, got line of sight on 2 majors issues that I'm dealing with on my new project.

Unfortunately my issues got the attention of our VP's, of which now I have to put together presentations for the Chief Engineer. Ton's of work, reviews, more reviews, edits, final reviews, ugh.

But like I said, line of sight on my issues!

@tonyb you're on fire today! And spot on! IMO, humble that it is, of course!

charley95

We've all missed another way to combat climate change. EAT BABIES!

tonyb

kevhed72 wrote: »

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tonyb wrote: »

F1nut wrote: »

You want climate change you can believe in? Wait until one of the thousands of volcanoes blows it's top as they have done in the past throwing mankind and every other living thing on earth into a real crisis. After all, mother nature has a way of resetting this planet like nothing else.

Bingo, or a meteor strike like has happened many times in the past. Your zero emission car will mean squat in comparison to mother nature. Your gas guzzler is squat too.

Far too many things need our attention and money, to better the lives of the people today. Throwing more money, and giving more power to politicians
/governments is suppose to save the planet ? That would make a good cartoon in the Sunday funnies. We can't even save ourselves, but we think we can save a planet ? LMAO

There are plenty of free market solutions to the problems of waste, pollution, and climate change...if people are willing to acknowledge there is a problem. I didn't see anyone in this thread advocate any huge government program to deal with the issues.

Waste and pollution, I agree. I think everyone here, or just everyone in general believes being better stewards of the planet is a good thing. Nobody has a problem with that.

Where it gets sticky is with climate change, and that's hard to talk about without dipping toes into politics.

Climate change, like I've said before, runs in patterns/cycles, big longer time frame cycles with smaller ones inside. That's why we have, before man's industrial ages, oceans that have risen and fell, areas that once were tropical, aren't anymore. Whole parts of continents under the ocean. Ice ages that come and go, polar ice that melts and re-freezes, animals that become extinct. Islands that disappear, and new ones that reappear. Coral reefs that die off, and new ones created.

What we are complaining about today, is nothing new to the planet, it's a normal process it goes through in cycles. There are those who seek to take advantage of that though, by scaring people enough to surrender certain controls to them. One just needs to read Agenda 21/30, a U.N. document, to see the controls they seek by implementing a global climate change scare.

We pesty humans are a flea on the rear end of the planet. It's survived much worse than us. Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, numerous meteor strikes, reversal of the poles, numerous hurricanes, tidal waves, solar storms, ice ages, extreme heat. You name it, the planet has taken it. To think you and your gas guzzling 1969 car are ruining the planet for future generations is well....laughable. To think cow fa rts are ruining the planet is again....laughable. Your aerosol cans, remember that one ?

Not all these past climate change things happened when man wasn't present too. When oceans rise, and took back coastal communities, know what they did ? They moved inland more, rebuilt. People who had villages on the sides of volcanoes, yeah....they learned their lesson. Even today, we still build major cities on fault lines, then complain when they get destroyed and people die. We even build nuclear reactors near fault lines, and these smart people want to tell me how to live ? UHHH...that's a big "I don't think so".

Today, we are too self important , too arrogant, think we can control mother nature. Think that sending money to politicians, surrendering certain freedoms/controls will stop hurricanes and polar ice from melting. That's the real crime, not your old Buick.

Nightfall

I watched the Bill Gates documentary on Netflix last night. Apparently he and some scientists have designed a much safer nuclear reactor but the tariff wars have shut down the possibility of creating a prototype for now. If it ever gets built and works we have a way of generating power without CO2 emissions.

tonyb

Nightfall wrote: »

I watched the Bill Gates documentary on Netflix last night. Apparently he and some scientists have designed a much safer nuclear reactor but the tariff wars have shut down the possibility of creating a prototype for now. If it ever gets built and works we have a way of generating power without CO2 emissions.

Why would the tariff wars have anything to do with that ? You can source everything you need here to build a prototype. You can't sell me because it costs more here for those materials. We're talkin Bill Gates here, who just pledged a billion bucks to help empower women over the next 10 years. Which, if the planet is going to end in 12, what's the point right ? I think the dude can afford it, is the point.

Nuclear isn't about the co2, it's the spent fuel rods, and obviously building them close to fault lines....Japan ?

The environmentalists don't like nuclear, fossil fuels, wood burning, BBQ's. They have no idea on how to meet the energy demands of the world. Sustaining life on this planet won't be easy without fossil fuels....and maybe that's the point of it all. They do feel we need to get rid of a few billion folks.

However, I see no reason why all technologies can't co-exist within their markets until some other form of energy comes down the pike. In my opinion though, if you want to make an impact on peoples lives, a real impact...invest that money to bring electricity, running water, safe sanitary conditions to other parts of the world that don't have it. Can we remember when WE didn't have those things ? What did indoor plumbing, electricity/refrigeration, sewers, do for us ? Besides allow us to eat more Mexican food.

The benefits would be substantial. Less diseases, more economic development/jobs, etc. That's if you WANT to help people and keep them from migrating out, better themselves and their home countries. Nobody cares enough though, they put stock in population control instead. Too many poor people sucking up the planets resources for the more affluent.

Only so much one can do within the borders of another country though. Most these smaller countries are run by despots, dictators, who rape the riches for themselves and let the rest live in squalor. They also pollute heavily. We may get to a point where the bigger nations will have to annex the smaller ones so progress can be made. Even still, Russian, China, nobody is going to tell them what to do, ever.

I know this has taken a left turn from talking about Tesla, mostly my fault, so I apologize to the group. Many things run hand in hand so it's easy to get side tracked.

Nightfall

Watch it and find out for yourself. The current nuclear reactors are unsafe because they are 1960s designs.

Edit: I didn't mean that in a douchey way, not intended.