Tesla Model S Police Car's Battery Ran Dry During High Speed Chase
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There are too many acronyms in this thread for anything to make sense.
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I think this whole debate is a moot point. It 30-40 years, 90% of all people will never leave home and just order everything on Amazon.
That Jimmy, is true for a lot of folks today!
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I would actually have liked to see Hydrogen Fuel Cell take off, and the industry largely supported them as their preferred option, but the infrastructure problems must be too difficult to solve. Compare to how quickly VAG and Tesla expanded their charger networks.
We still see Fuel Cell vehicles on the road here regularly, and we have a fueling station close near our local store, so we could even use one, but if VAG have abandoned Fuel Cell in favor of EV, I’m not sure they’ll ever go back.
Yep. Much like the gas station infrastructure way back in the day, all new, and expensive.
Quick charging stations already have the grid to connect to.
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Cobalt and lithium supplies are going to fall far short
Of the demand this will create.
Battery prices will skyrocket.
This will be the challenge in this going forward.
Cobalt mining is already a pretty shady business.
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The truth of the matter is electric cars are anything but green.Political Correctness'.........defined
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sucks2beme wrote: »Cobalt and lithium supplies are going to fall far short
Of the demand this will create.
Battery prices will skyrocket.
This will be the challenge in this going forward.
Cobalt mining is already a pretty shady business.
Agree ! No matter whether oil, coal or the raw materials for these "clean green" products there is always a devil in the details to deal with. Still need 95% fossil fuels whether it's coal or natural gas to get the electricity. That still produces CO2 and other byproducts. I wonder if in 25yrs we'll find a Times Beach, Love Canal or any number of other Superfund sites out there from the production of the batteries or other items from EV's? -
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Which I chose to ignore, because you obviously missed the part where I said if it works for you, roll with it. Your veiled insults hide your ability to have a civil conversation.
Things I brought up are not hypothetical, it's reality. Most take for granted the things a gas car offers, until it's not there anymore. The questions I asked, still not answered, nor things addressed I brought up like accidents, insurance, parts, time. I don't consider accidents a "hypothetical situation". I don't consider power outages hypothetical either. Ask anyone who lives along a coast how long their power can be out after a hefty storm.
I get you like your Tesla, cool...like I said if it works for you, roll with it, but it isn't the answer for everyone.
...and btw, I never said they where a joke or stupid. Because I questioned certain things you assumed that. Sorry you got bu-tt hurt by me asking questions or pointing out areas where it may not work for others. They where never pointed at you directly, more so the industry as a whole.
Don't act like you were bringing up honest questions that you wanted answered. Might I remind you that most of these supposed questions came up after you had already made this idiotic narrow-minded statement: "Driving a Tesla isn't about saving money on gas or the environment. It's a statement car, like a Benz or Ferarri. A car so rich people can ease their conscience." Nearly every last one of your so-called questions were rhetorical. You already are somehow convinced in your mind that you know nearly all of the ins and outs of EVs and ownership and are posing these "questions" in such a way as to cast a shadow over EVs. Why? I have no clue. Personally I couldn't care less what your opinion is, or whether you'll ever even own one or not. What I have an issue with is the use of these "questions" in such a way that obviously just pushes your personal twisted agenda/preference, and puts flawed thinking into the minds of those that actually might have honest questions.
Now for those that may actually like answers to a few of your "questions":
Insurance Cost: Depends on the company, and what you would have bought instead. I personally would have likely bought a similarly priced luxury sedan. In which case, my insurance actually got cheaper due to EVs generally having better safety tech, and being less prone to theft. Now those that are looking at going from some other kind of car, say a Honda Civic perhaps, to a base Model 3, are no doubt going to shell out more for coverage. So obviously it would pay to calculate whether fuel, and maintenance savings are going to be enough to counteract that.
Accidents/Body Work: It's an aluminum body, just like a growing number of new cars. Therefore the shop needs to be qualified to deal with it. If Des Moines, IA has an authorized shop, chances are there's some in your area too.
But what if you're driving to the moon, and the chargers are 20 minutes in the other direction, and then when you get there it's out of...blah blah blah...?: In most regions there is no shortage of chargers. Check out supercharge.info, and plugshare.com. The number of chargers already in existence is quite shocking to most, and there are more going in constantly. Also, an increasing number of hotels, and vacation rentals are installing "destination" chargers, or outlets that can be used. All it takes is a little bit of for-thought to plan a road-trip.
I'm not by any means saying EVs are perfect for everyone. Never have. Never will. To be perfectly honest, they aren't perfect for me roughly 10% of the time. Just this week I had to tow a heavy trailer about 400 miles. So the EVs stayed in the garage, and the Tundra got put to work. But the other 90% of the time they are awesome!HT
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This could get ugly maybe. Isn't this similar to the guy who had a Nissan Leaf on here?!
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Might as well consider the environment politicalafterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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All I know is there will be a day when countries then individuals will be slaughtering one another for fossil fuels if we all don't comvert to EV's. Fossil Fuels WILL run out eventually.Gustard X26 Pro DAC
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All I know is there will be a day when countries then individuals will be slaughtering one another for fossil fuels
Already happens and there's plenty.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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\Might I remind you that most of these supposed questions came up after you had already made this idiotic narrow-minded statement: "Driving a Tesla isn't about saving money on gas or the environment. It's a statement car, like a Benz or Ferarri. A car so rich people can ease their conscience."
I think both of you are wrong and right. The first gas cars, electric cars, solar panels, etc. were items for the wealthy. There is no debate there! Even back in the late 1800's-early 1900's when electric cars outnumbered gas cars, they were unobtainable for the average person... until the Model T came along. So, the "cars for the rich" statement held some weight at one time for gas as well as electric. Electric has gotten better today but there is still some truth to the statement.
Think about the solar industry....an industry that I work in. Not too long ago solar panels were inefficient and expensive. Only the more affluent were buying solar systems years ago. Fast forward....just like solar, EV vehicles have gotten better and cheaper and can be a viable means of transportation for some middle class.
Nevertheless, when the negatives are factored into something like a Tesla Model S there's a certain reality that can't be ignored. When the Winter temperatures plummet, the practicality of driving a Model S on a long trip across several states lessens when one also has a Lexus SUV in the driveway. In some ways it does become an expensive toy...just like the Porsche or Ferrari. Heck, the all-wheel drive Porsche might be a better alternative.
Again the current and upcoming $35K-$50K cars that travel 200-300 miles make more practical sense...even for those in a higher income bracket. I'm OK with government incentives to get the EV industry going, or solar, etc. However, again looking at the Model S as an example, the facts are clear. Its generally a car for the wealthy that probably have other expensive cars in the driveway. Read here:
[quote'Morning Consult]These PEV government incentives largely benefit the well-to-do. The average annual income of a Tesla owner is $146,000. The median age is 54. Because PEVs require a driveway or garage for an electric hookup, 88 percent of Tesla owners also own their own home, the median value of which is $348,000.
PEV subsidies and tax benefits transfer money from the broad population of middle-class and working-class people to a small group of wealthy and successful homeowners at the peak of their earnings power. Even if we debate the necessity of subsidies, most would agree that net value should flow in the opposite direction.[/Quote]
So, right now EV's have gotten better and are more obtainable....but we are far from 'there' yet. Its going to be interesting to see what VW, Volvo, etc. do in the future and if they can keep to their claim of ending production of ICE vehicles. For now, I sure do have a thing for the VW Arteon. If I could buy a new car today this hatchback sedan would be it:
I looked one at the dealer for $50K...too rich for my blood. Then, I missed out on a clean 2016 Toyota Avalon with low miles at a a $16,500 asking price. So, I ended up with a Chrysler 300S with 20K miles for about half what these cars go for new. The 300's are going away next year along with other big sedans like the Buick LaCrosse, Ford Taurus, etc. So, its bitter sweet as I'm a big sedan guy over an SUV...but I like to have an SUV in the family.
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This started off as a story about a police chase in an EV. They ran out of juice during the chase at the end of their shift. It turns out, the car was not charged the night before. Maybe an ICE chase car that wasn’t fueled the night before would have run out of gas too.
100 % agree
But if the LEO finds his ICE vehicle low on fuel he stops at gas station and 2-3 minutes later he is back on patrol. Why the EV driver failed to charge after he noticed is anyone's guess. Time maybe ? I don't know personally.
Yea I'll never be able to afford one and do not care at all if you buy one, have one and love it. That is the way the world goes round not all of us should like everything the same it would be a very boring world and in this country we are free to explore many many different things.
The fatiguing aspect comes from those who preach that they are so much greener. Like I stated earlier there's always a devil in the details somewhere, nothing in life is free and clear. 25yrs from now we may find out one way or another. I remember electric's in the 70's then as now it's going to change the world only time will tell actually.
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Gasoline powered cars are far better for the long term health of the planet than battery power will ever be. Just one volcanic eruption emits more CO2 during its cycle than mankind has done in 150 years of the Industrial Age.
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HOW DARE these volcanos emit harmful gases into our atmosphere!nooshinjohn wrote: »Gasoline powered cars are far better for the long term health of the planet than battery power will ever be. Just one volcanic eruption emits more CO2 during its cycle than mankind has done in 150 years of the Industrial Age.
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Hydrogen fuel cell tech looks to be a better answer than EV.
EV is going to become bigger, but it will most likely lose to
better tech. The light bulb thing was a good comparison.
Those stupid mini fluorescent bulbs were horrible, and lasted
about the same as the average bulb. Better ICE and car design
will also extend the life of current tech. EV tech development
ironically will also help the hydrogen fuel cell tech since
a lot of the car past the batteries will be exactly the same."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
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Might I remind you that most of these supposed questions came up after you had already made this idiotic narrow-minded statement: "Driving a Tesla isn't about saving money on gas or the environment. It's a statement car, like a Benz or Ferarri. A car so rich people can ease their conscience."
So tell me then, those who own a Tesla, did you buy the car to save money, save the planet, or it's practical use ? If you answer no to that, then my statement isn't so wrong then is it.
….and there is nothing wrong with buying a "statement" car either. I know many who do, 100k Benz or Beemers, Foreign sports cars, etc. Just don't hide behind the "I'm saving the planet" B.S. or everyone else is evil for buying gas powered cars.
Many I know with electric cars, also have boats, planes, diesel powered trucks, or some other gas guzzling , emission spewing toys. Maybe they view it as offsetting their carbon footprint, I dunno. A tesla is basically a luxury electric car, while a Prius or Leaf is your basic commuter car designed to save people money. Nothing wrong with owning a luxury car, electric or gas. If you want to sell the virtues of a luxury electric car, then you also have to look at the downsides too. I do the same with gas cars, so I'm not picking on Tesla per say. The whole industry of electric cars has it's pluses and minuses, to make an informed decision if one is right for you, you need to ask pointed questions. You would do the same with any other product.
Just like in audio, there are statement pieces, 30k pre amps/amps, 100k+ speakers, blah blah. Some may actually be worth that price in sound, many aren't though, but some buy gear for the name, the price, because it gives them status, not necessarily better sound.
Again, nothing wrong with any of that, life is short, live it like a rock star if you can. Just don't try selling the agenda crap as the reason.
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HOW DARE these volcanos emit harmful gases into our atmosphere!
Does Greta know about these?
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I guess Tesla has a new roadster coming that's gonna be a pretty serious piece of hardware (and commensurately priced).
https://www.tesla.com/roadster
Now (and strictly FWIW) -- my personal opinion is that Elon Musk is the biggest shyster/charlatan in the car biz since Preston Tucker... but Musk (and, to a far lesser extent, Tucker) has built some interesting cars that do deliver to a surprising extent on their hyped promises.
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So much political virtue signaling.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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