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afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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I’m reminded of the debate not too long ago about the venerable incandescent light bulb. Government intrusion at its finest. Forcing us to abandon the ole tried and true, and super cheap, technology. And buy those CFLs. Ugh. And way more expensive.
Oh yeah, then the CFL disposal industry emerged, ‘cause those little guys had mercury in em! An industry that didn’t exist prior, only then came to existence because of government intrusion. Unforeseen consequences of forcing something upon the people.
But then, as private industry always does, developed a competing LED technology for the mass market. Where are CFLs now? All but supplanted by LEDs! Free market at work.
My point is that will the ICE go away? Probably. But not for a long time. Yeah VAG and others (heck my own company made a similar proclamation), but the transition will take decades, IMO.
Will the plug in electric be the prevailing technology to supplant ICE in the future? Again, probably not IMO.
My bet is on fuel cells. Still electric, but you fill em up with hydrogen, takes 10 minutes, and off you go! Freedom!
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I think this whole debate is a moot point. It 30-40 years, 90% of all people will never leave home and just order everything on Amazon.
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Government intrusion at its finest. Forcing us to abandon the ole tried and true, and super cheap, technology. And buy those CFLs. Ugh. And way more expensive.
Oh yeah, then the CFL disposal industry emerged, cause those little guys had mercury in em! An industry that didn’t exist prior, only then came to existence because of government intrusion. Unforeseen consequences of forcing something upon the people.
Did they EVER last 7 yrs or xxxx number of hours like advertised? NEVER did at my house. I did find them to run much cooler than the LED's
Most LED's I've bought never last more than say a year or two before they go to strobe. I've bought many different brands, I've not have any lasted the amount of time advertised yet. I guess if I left them on all the time and never shut them off maybe, but who the heck needs lights on in the daytime ? Would that not still be a waste of energy ?
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I still love my incandescent bulbs! Still use em, cause they’re cheap. If you can find em nowadays. Ugh. Yeah some of the early LEDs were junk, as most first gen technology, but the reliability is certainly much improved.
And prices are way down. Free market competition!
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I think this whole debate is a moot point. It 30-40 years, 90% of all people will never leave home and just order everything on Amazon.
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I would actually have liked to see Hydrogen Fuel Cell take off, and the industry largely supported them as their preferred option, but the infrastructure problems must be too difficult to solve. Compare to how quickly VAG and Tesla expanded their charger networks.
We still see Fuel Cell vehicles on the road here regularly, and we have a fueling station close near our local store, so we could even use one, but if VAG have abandoned Fuel Cell in favor of EV, I’m not sure they’ll ever go back.
Yep. Much like the gas station infrastructure way back in the day, all new, and expensive.
Quick charging stations already have the grid to connect to.
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Cobalt and lithium supplies are going to fall far short
Of the demand this will create.
Battery prices will skyrocket.
This will be the challenge in this going forward.
Cobalt mining is already a pretty shady business.
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sucks2beme wrote: »Cobalt and lithium supplies are going to fall far short
Of the demand this will create.
Battery prices will skyrocket.
This will be the challenge in this going forward.
Cobalt mining is already a pretty shady business.
Agree ! No matter whether oil, coal or the raw materials for these "clean green" products there is always a devil in the details to deal with. Still need 95% fossil fuels whether it's coal or natural gas to get the electricity. That still produces CO2 and other byproducts. I wonder if in 25yrs we'll find a Times Beach, Love Canal or any number of other Superfund sites out there from the production of the batteries or other items from EV's? -
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Which I chose to ignore, because you obviously missed the part where I said if it works for you, roll with it. Your veiled insults hide your ability to have a civil conversation.
Things I brought up are not hypothetical, it's reality. Most take for granted the things a gas car offers, until it's not there anymore. The questions I asked, still not answered, nor things addressed I brought up like accidents, insurance, parts, time. I don't consider accidents a "hypothetical situation". I don't consider power outages hypothetical either. Ask anyone who lives along a coast how long their power can be out after a hefty storm.
I get you like your Tesla, cool...like I said if it works for you, roll with it, but it isn't the answer for everyone.
...and btw, I never said they where a joke or stupid. Because I questioned certain things you assumed that. Sorry you got bu-tt hurt by me asking questions or pointing out areas where it may not work for others. They where never pointed at you directly, more so the industry as a whole.
Don't act like you were bringing up honest questions that you wanted answered. Might I remind you that most of these supposed questions came up after you had already made this idiotic narrow-minded statement: "Driving a Tesla isn't about saving money on gas or the environment. It's a statement car, like a Benz or Ferarri. A car so rich people can ease their conscience." Nearly every last one of your so-called questions were rhetorical. You already are somehow convinced in your mind that you know nearly all of the ins and outs of EVs and ownership and are posing these "questions" in such a way as to cast a shadow over EVs. Why? I have no clue. Personally I couldn't care less what your opinion is, or whether you'll ever even own one or not. What I have an issue with is the use of these "questions" in such a way that obviously just pushes your personal twisted agenda/preference, and puts flawed thinking into the minds of those that actually might have honest questions.
Now for those that may actually like answers to a few of your "questions":
Insurance Cost: Depends on the company, and what you would have bought instead. I personally would have likely bought a similarly priced luxury sedan. In which case, my insurance actually got cheaper due to EVs generally having better safety tech, and being less prone to theft. Now those that are looking at going from some other kind of car, say a Honda Civic perhaps, to a base Model 3, are no doubt going to shell out more for coverage. So obviously it would pay to calculate whether fuel, and maintenance savings are going to be enough to counteract that.
Accidents/Body Work: It's an aluminum body, just like a growing number of new cars. Therefore the shop needs to be qualified to deal with it. If Des Moines, IA has an authorized shop, chances are there's some in your area too.
But what if you're driving to the moon, and the chargers are 20 minutes in the other direction, and then when you get there it's out of...blah blah blah...?: In most regions there is no shortage of chargers. Check out supercharge.info, and plugshare.com. The number of chargers already in existence is quite shocking to most, and there are more going in constantly. Also, an increasing number of hotels, and vacation rentals are installing "destination" chargers, or outlets that can be used. All it takes is a little bit of for-thought to plan a road-trip.
I'm not by any means saying EVs are perfect for everyone. Never have. Never will. To be perfectly honest, they aren't perfect for me roughly 10% of the time. Just this week I had to tow a heavy trailer about 400 miles. So the EVs stayed in the garage, and the Tundra got put to work. But the other 90% of the time they are awesome!HT
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This could get ugly maybe. Isn't this similar to the guy who had a Nissan Leaf on here?!
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Might as well consider the environment politicalafterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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All I know is there will be a day when countries then individuals will be slaughtering one another for fossil fuels if we all don't comvert to EV's. Fossil Fuels WILL run out eventually.Gustard X26 Pro DAC
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All I know is there will be a day when countries then individuals will be slaughtering one another for fossil fuels
Already happens and there's plenty.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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\Might I remind you that most of these supposed questions came up after you had already made this idiotic narrow-minded statement: "Driving a Tesla isn't about saving money on gas or the environment. It's a statement car, like a Benz or Ferarri. A car so rich people can ease their conscience."
I think both of you are wrong and right. The first gas cars, electric cars, solar panels, etc. were items for the wealthy. There is no debate there! Even back in the late 1800's-early 1900's when electric cars outnumbered gas cars, they were unobtainable for the average person... until the Model T came along. So, the "cars for the rich" statement held some weight at one time for gas as well as electric. Electric has gotten better today but there is still some truth to the statement.
Think about the solar industry....an industry that I work in. Not too long ago solar panels were inefficient and expensive. Only the more affluent were buying solar systems years ago. Fast forward....just like solar, EV vehicles have gotten better and cheaper and can be a viable means of transportation for some middle class.
Nevertheless, when the negatives are factored into something like a Tesla Model S there's a certain reality that can't be ignored. When the Winter temperatures plummet, the practicality of driving a Model S on a long trip across several states lessens when one also has a Lexus SUV in the driveway. In some ways it does become an expensive toy...just like the Porsche or Ferrari. Heck, the all-wheel drive Porsche might be a better alternative.
Again the current and upcoming $35K-$50K cars that travel 200-300 miles make more practical sense...even for those in a higher income bracket. I'm OK with government incentives to get the EV industry going, or solar, etc. However, again looking at the Model S as an example, the facts are clear. Its generally a car for the wealthy that probably have other expensive cars in the driveway. Read here:
[quote'Morning Consult]These PEV government incentives largely benefit the well-to-do. The average annual income of a Tesla owner is $146,000. The median age is 54. Because PEVs require a driveway or garage for an electric hookup, 88 percent of Tesla owners also own their own home, the median value of which is $348,000.
PEV subsidies and tax benefits transfer money from the broad population of middle-class and working-class people to a small group of wealthy and successful homeowners at the peak of their earnings power. Even if we debate the necessity of subsidies, most would agree that net value should flow in the opposite direction.[/Quote]
So, right now EV's have gotten better and are more obtainable....but we are far from 'there' yet. Its going to be interesting to see what VW, Volvo, etc. do in the future and if they can keep to their claim of ending production of ICE vehicles. For now, I sure do have a thing for the VW Arteon. If I could buy a new car today this hatchback sedan would be it:
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This started off as a story about a police chase in an EV. They ran out of juice during the chase at the end of their shift. It turns out, the car was not charged the night before. Maybe an ICE chase car that wasn’t fueled the night before would have run out of gas too.
100 % agree
But if the LEO finds his ICE vehicle low on fuel he stops at gas station and 2-3 minutes later he is back on patrol. Why the EV driver failed to charge after he noticed is anyone's guess. Time maybe ? I don't know personally.
Yea I'll never be able to afford one and do not care at all if you buy one, have one and love it. That is the way the world goes round not all of us should like everything the same it would be a very boring world and in this country we are free to explore many many different things.
The fatiguing aspect comes from those who preach that they are so much greener. Like I stated earlier there's always a devil in the details somewhere, nothing in life is free and clear. 25yrs from now we may find out one way or another. I remember electric's in the 70's then as now it's going to change the world only time will tell actually.
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Gasoline powered cars are far better for the long term health of the planet than battery power will ever be. Just one volcanic eruption emits more CO2 during its cycle than mankind has done in 150 years of the Industrial Age.
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HOW DARE these volcanos emit harmful gases into our atmosphere!nooshinjohn wrote: »Gasoline powered cars are far better for the long term health of the planet than battery power will ever be. Just one volcanic eruption emits more CO2 during its cycle than mankind has done in 150 years of the Industrial Age.
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