Tesla Model S Police Car's Battery Ran Dry During High Speed Chase
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Hydrogen fuel cell tech looks to be a better answer than EV.
EV is going to become bigger, but it will most likely lose to
better tech. The light bulb thing was a good comparison.
Those stupid mini fluorescent bulbs were horrible, and lasted
about the same as the average bulb. Better ICE and car design
will also extend the life of current tech. EV tech development
ironically will also help the hydrogen fuel cell tech since
a lot of the car past the batteries will be exactly the same."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
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Might I remind you that most of these supposed questions came up after you had already made this idiotic narrow-minded statement: "Driving a Tesla isn't about saving money on gas or the environment. It's a statement car, like a Benz or Ferarri. A car so rich people can ease their conscience."
So tell me then, those who own a Tesla, did you buy the car to save money, save the planet, or it's practical use ? If you answer no to that, then my statement isn't so wrong then is it.
….and there is nothing wrong with buying a "statement" car either. I know many who do, 100k Benz or Beemers, Foreign sports cars, etc. Just don't hide behind the "I'm saving the planet" B.S. or everyone else is evil for buying gas powered cars.
Many I know with electric cars, also have boats, planes, diesel powered trucks, or some other gas guzzling , emission spewing toys. Maybe they view it as offsetting their carbon footprint, I dunno. A tesla is basically a luxury electric car, while a Prius or Leaf is your basic commuter car designed to save people money. Nothing wrong with owning a luxury car, electric or gas. If you want to sell the virtues of a luxury electric car, then you also have to look at the downsides too. I do the same with gas cars, so I'm not picking on Tesla per say. The whole industry of electric cars has it's pluses and minuses, to make an informed decision if one is right for you, you need to ask pointed questions. You would do the same with any other product.
Just like in audio, there are statement pieces, 30k pre amps/amps, 100k+ speakers, blah blah. Some may actually be worth that price in sound, many aren't though, but some buy gear for the name, the price, because it gives them status, not necessarily better sound.
Again, nothing wrong with any of that, life is short, live it like a rock star if you can. Just don't try selling the agenda crap as the reason.
….and THAT statement is in general and not pointed at you cmy330go.HT SYSTEM-
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HOW DARE these volcanos emit harmful gases into our atmosphere!nooshinjohn wrote: »Gasoline powered cars are far better for the long term health of the planet than battery power will ever be. Just one volcanic eruption emits more CO2 during its cycle than mankind has done in 150 years of the Industrial Age.
Does Greta know about these?
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I guess Tesla has a new roadster coming that's gonna be a pretty serious piece of hardware (and commensurately priced).
https://www.tesla.com/roadster
Now (and strictly FWIW) -- my personal opinion is that Elon Musk is the biggest shyster/charlatan in the car biz since Preston Tucker... but Musk (and, to a far lesser extent, Tucker) has built some interesting cars that do deliver to a surprising extent on their hyped promises.
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So much political virtue signaling.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »
HOW DARE these volcanos emit harmful gases into our atmosphere!nooshinjohn wrote: »Gasoline powered cars are far better for the long term health of the planet than battery power will ever be. Just one volcanic eruption emits more CO2 during its cycle than mankind has done in 150 years of the Industrial Age.
Does Greta know about these?
She would just give the aforementioned volcano the icy glare treatment.
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motorhead43026 wrote: »The little girl has aspergers, if you don't know what it is look it up.
How nice of the enviro-fringe to trot out a girl with special needs to dress down the U.N. for not doing enough about climate change.... if you disagree with her, it’s because you are a douchenozzle picking on a young child because she has a disability and not because her statements were demonstrably false...
Predictable, and just what I would expect....
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But, nay!
I was waxing poetic -- channeling my muse.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »motorhead43026 wrote: »The little girl has aspergers, if you don't know what it is look it up.
How nice of the enviro-fringe to trot out a girl with special needs to dress down the U.N. for not doing enough about climate change.... if you disagree with her, it’s because you are a douchenozzle picking on a young child because she has a disability and not because her statements were demonstrably false...
Predictable, and just what I would expect....
LOL.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »I was waxing poetic.
WRONG THREAD!!!!!
https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/179283/anyone-into-detailing-cars/p1 -
I just LOL'd a little bit.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »motorhead43026 wrote: »The little girl has aspergers, if you don't know what it is look it up.
How nice of the enviro-fringe to trot out a girl with special needs to dress down the U.N. for not doing enough about climate change.... if you disagree with her, it’s because you are a douchenozzle picking on a young child because she has a disability and not because her statements were demonstrably false...
Predictable, and just what I would expect....
BINGO!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
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It'll be there, but the bling-y SUVs'll be replaced by gondolas (gondolae?)
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motorhead43026 wrote: »The little girl has aspergers, if you don't know what it is look it up.
Yes I know she has and what it is and she hasn't let it get in her way of what she is doing. -
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nooshinjohn wrote: »motorhead43026 wrote: »The little girl has aspergers, if you don't know what it is look it up.
How nice of the enviro-fringe to trot out a girl with special needs to dress down the U.N. for not doing enough about climate change.... if you disagree with her, it’s because you are a douchenozzle picking on a young child because she has a disability and not because her statements were demonstrably false...
Predictable, and just what I would expect....
BINGO!!!
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So I was basking in my bliss after the Cary drama, only to catch up on this thread!
In fact, I was gonna throw the old rectifier tube in the trash.
But maybe now I should disassemble it, and part it out in the appropriate recycle containers!
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OK -- there are myriad issues with the electrochemical cells used to make the batteries. That's (probably!) what some of this thread's naysayers are dancin' around vis-a-vis how 'green' (and how 'low CO2 footprint') current electric car technology is.
First and foremost is the use of some materials (lithium and some other 'strategic materials') that don't have the best cradle to grave reputation (and for good reason) and carry certain geopolitical penalties.
Some of y'all probably know this, but the rather rapid shift from AlNiCo (an alloy of Aluminum, Nickel, and Cobalt) to ceramic magnet materials for loudspeaker drivers wasn't driven by technology, but rather with constriction of the supply (and consequent price spikes) for the strategic material cobalt. I think cobalt may factor in Li-ion battery production, too.
Mining the necessary raw materials isn't a particularly green industry, either.
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In other green technology news
I probably shoulda known this -- but I didn't...
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/30/763844598/how-big-oil-of-the-past-helped-launch-the-solar-industry-of-today
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nooshinjohn wrote: »motorhead43026 wrote: »The little girl has aspergers, if you don't know what it is look it up.
How nice of the enviro-fringe to trot out a girl with special needs to dress down the U.N. for not doing enough about climate change.... if you disagree with her, it’s because you are a douchenozzle picking on a young child because she has a disability and not because her statements were demonstrably false...
Predictable, and just what I would expect....
BINGO!!!
This forum is WAYYYY too Right.
Is it not wrong to fill the mind of a challenged young girl with a bunch of crap and convince her the world is coming to an end before she has a chance to turn 30, because of something that has not been shown to be true?
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Thank you @mhardy6647 for rescuing the thread, which was headed in a very sad direction.
Until we get around to massively recycling or repurposing large lithium ion batteries, we won’t be able to assess the environmental impact of EV’s, which is partly to blame for my preference for Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles. I doubt that those will ever happen now, but it’s not as if the petroleum industry is the cleanest of industries either. It’s pretty much filthy.
There were lot’s of interesting points made before everything veered off to climate denying and hating on a teenager.
Your own point about Musk is a valid one, IMO. He does overstate his case constantly, but possibly, so did you. He consistently exaggerates the capabilities of Autopilot (which is actually Level 2 adaptive cruise control), and he exaggerates the capabilities of the newly released summon feature. And yet, from 2012 to the present day, his vehicles remain very relevant, and their advanced adaptive cruise control (ACC) features are equal to the best of what is available in other luxury vehicles. His spacecraft are also impressive, his balance sheet is not. So he’s not quite the charlatan, since there is some verifiable success in his endeavors, but he is a bit of a showman.
When one examines what he has done with solar roof panels and the incredibly attractive solar roof tiles, as well as the Powerwall batteries (one way to recycle EV batteries, which Nissan/Renault have done as well), there is much to like about his products.
Just recently, he launched the possibility to install a solar roof for a mere $65/mo to $130/mo (1,500 ft² to 3,000 ft² homes) “rental” fee.
ICE motors, by contrast, have had to add dual turbos to maintain interest, and nine or ten speed transmissions to improve fuel efficiency, and yet, they still pollute to some extent. Not only does the mechanical complexity increase significantly with these new technologies, but imagine the cost of replacing one of those transmissions!Alea jacta est! -
Until we get around to massively recycling or repurposing large lithium ion batteries, we won’t be able to assess the environmental impact of EV’s, which is partly to blame for my preference for Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles. I doubt that those will ever happen now, but it’s not as if the petroleum industry is the cleanest of industries either. It’s pretty much filthy.
I could see myself buying into Hydrogen as a fuel source. The only gripe I have with EV is the horrific damage strip mining for rare earth elements to make batteries does and the unknown issues of recycling and disposing of them. Sometimes the devil you know is far better than the one you get stuck with later on. All the talk about range and such is something the consumer needs to be smart about when they make their choice to buy a vehicle.
Here in CA, there is a push to ban gasoline sales and the vehicles that use it by 2035. I think the consumer should be the one to decide how to spend their money.... Then again, the privately owned automobile may go extinct by 2040 anyway.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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The problem with hydrogen, to my mind is that, to the best of my knowledge, it has to be used as such. 2H2 + O2 -> 2 H2O. The thermodynamic equilibrium lies way to the right (in other words, it's an efficient and spontaneous oxidation reaction) and a fair amount of energy per mol of hydrogen is generated by oxidizing it to water... and, of course, no C-H bond oxidation, so no CO2 generation, and no N-H bond oxidation, so no NOx generation...
BUT
1) it would be really nice to generate hydrogen in situ, e.g., electrolysis of water, but that's thermodynamically unfavorable and not practical in a small platform like a car -- so the hydrogen powered vehicles use refrigerated (high pressure, low 'temperature') liquid hydrogen as a fuel source.
2) The activation energy barrier is high. The reaction only goes if some energy - usually in the form of a spark - is added to the system.
then...
So... yeah... I am not crazy about hydrogen as a fuel source.
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