Looking forward to L800 but have concerns, what are your thoughts?

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  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,489
    edited November 2019
    eh-ha, made ya look, suckaaa

    I disabled signatures.
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,560
    Hermitism wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    I would hate to have to have a conversation about this with the dealer:

    purchaser: "I have two right speakers"
    dealer: "Right..."
    P: "No. Two right!"
    D : "OK, what do you want me to do?"
    P: "Do you have any left speakers left?"
    D : "I'm sorry?"
    P: "Left speakers. Do you have any Left?"
    D : "Right, I see..."
    P: "NO. LEFT!"
    D : Let me see if we have any Left speakers left... oh... right here we have some left -- but they're right."
    P : "Right is wrong. Is there anyone else I can speak to?"
    D : "No, I am all that's left"

    sound of P's phone being hurled against the wall


    OK, it needs work. Where's @Hermitism when we need him? He must have left. Maybe he'll be right back?
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    I wasn't lookin' for affirmation! I was lookin' for some judicious editing and a rewrite!

    ;)
  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 3,592
    The only thing I could do to improve upon that is maybe adding a pic.

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  • pglbook
    pglbook Posts: 1,997
    edited November 2019
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Right, here are what two right and one wrong speaker looks like. These are 7.5 feet apart and rear baffle is 14” in front of the rear wall.

    s10qv1yqtb3r.jpeg

    Well, they look all right to me.
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  • ventureZR1
    ventureZR1 Registered User Posts: 19
    I have a hypothetical on the situation.

    Is Frank Malitz a part of Polk now? :D

    Kidding Kidding... :#
  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,589
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Right, here are what two right and one wrong speaker looks like. These are 7.5 feet apart and rear baffle is 14” in front of the rear wall.

    Having two right speakers, if you were to toe-in your left speaker so that the outside array is pointed at your listening spot and not use the SDA cable, shouldn't that work to get a good center image in non-SDA mode while you wait for the replacement?

  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,560
    pglbook wrote: »
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Right, here are what two right and one wrong speaker looks like. These are 7.5 feet apart and rear baffle is 14” in front of the rear wall.

    s10qv1yqtb3r.jpeg

    Well, they look all right to me.

    You're... right!

    (y'all knew I was gonna do that...)

    Seriously, and on topic -- @mpitogo are you currently using them as stereo loudspeakers (i.e., with the interconnect cable unplugged), or just using something else until things are sorted out with a proper L/R pair?


  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 446
    best way to avoid the aggravation. escape, At Avant Gardner watching Kim Petras concert.
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 9,829
    edited November 2019
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Got a hold of dealer today. They will check warehouse if they have two “left” and will call me Monday to confirm swap scheduled tentatively for Wed. Another few more days...arg

    Well there is sure some drama here! On multiple levels! Makes this a very nice thread to read @mpitogo ! Hope you get the correct speaker soon!

    I have to smile a bit, forgive me, cause I know you're a bit frustrated. The human element is something you can never process out of. In my biz at the assembly plant, no matter how many fail safe process we put in (bar code scanners, colored light picks, mechanical features to distinguish left/right) sure enough a human can build it wrong! Just my experience.

    At the end of the L800 distribution chain, there is a human being that has to pick the correct speakers! I predict that there will be huge left/right stickers on the boxes soon! :smile:

    Hang in there! :smile:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,951
    verb wrote: »
    In my biz at the assembly plant, no matter how many fail safe process we put in (bar code scanners, colored light picks, mechanical features to distinguish left/right) sure enough a human can build it wrong! Just my experience.

    If you designed better cars and trucks, this would never happen. :po:)
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 9,829
    edited November 2019
    Well John, I kind of knew that was coming.

    Not really funny.

    If fact, your incessant attacks on my ability to perform my job is really annoying to me. I've been ignoring the whole host of em since my disclosure of whom I work for, but in this case, on this thread, I don't appreciate it.

    Not funny.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,951
    edited November 2019
    I used to work the trim and final assembly line at Subaru, and we used to joke about the guys in the shirts and ties coming up with stuff just to make our lives hell, and that is where that comes from. I remember, and never will forget one example.

    We had two different ECU's for the Toyota Camry in 2008. One was 49 state compliant, and the other for California. they were labled CC and CG respectively. The font for these parts was insanely small like the fine print on a credit card application, and at a line speed of 90 seconds to install 23 small parts, you had less than a second to ID the part. The guys bringing parts to the line would even screw up and put them on the wrong shelf or the guys filling the parts bins off-line would even put them in the wrong box.

    There were numerous other examples of this in the time I was there.

    My apologies for the dig Verb, as I meant no offense. It was meant in the spirit of Navy/Marine jabber or "us vs. them" kind of banter.

    My apologies.
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 9,829
    edited November 2019
    Thanks John. Yep I have to smile in your above examples, as that still happens, but we have folks now that review the labeling and bar coding to make sure it's robust.

    We have scanners in the station where the operators are supposed to scan, install, scan, etc., but they end up at times scanning a bunch and stockpiling em closer to the install locations, ugh!

    Easy assembly is the key to great quality, for sure. Ergonomics is another area that we focus a lot on, hard to install usually means not installed correctly.

    Your example above is a great illustration of what happened with the speakers, L/R not easy to read, easy to screw up!

    And, for the record, I still love ya John! All good brother! Thanks for your comments, I know your just jabbing me, but, well, um, still love ya! :smile:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,951
    True... now if the suppliers and outside vendors would stop sending substandard parts. Thanks Takata!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 45,869
    verb wrote: »
    Well John, I kind of knew that was coming.

    Not really funny.

    If fact, your incessant attacks on my ability to perform my job is really annoying to me. I've been ignoring the whole host of em since my disclosure of whom I work for, but in this case, on this thread, I don't appreciate it.

    Not funny.

    Maybe a lot less of comparing everything to your job would help. Just saying, ya know
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  • SIHAB
    SIHAB Posts: 2,251
    edited November 2019
    looks the part...
    It's going to be a REAL nice setup when it all gets sorted out.
    mpitogo wrote: »
    Right, here are what two right and one wrong speaker looks like. These are 7.5 feet apart and rear baffle is 14” in front of the rear wall.

    s10qv1yqtb3r.jpeg

  • smglbrth
    smglbrth Posts: 1,286
    I totally understand your point John. A place where I used to work new college "engineers" would come down every so often and try to reinvent the wheel, sort of speak. Lot's of us guys that had been there and on the job for 10+/20+ years didn't know a damn thing about what we were doing but the new young bucks knew everything, but had only been there a year or under. I didn't work on an assembly line, our work was hand crafted solely by us. A perfect example -

    Engineers - "We're going to do such and such"
    Regular Joe - "They tried that already, more than once"
    Engineers - "But, we're going to it a little bit differently than last time"
    Regular Joe - " (Roll eye's) Ok, here we go again..."
    Then the engineers would look at us like we were total idiots.

    Just the sheer arrogance of those people still gets my blood going...
  • dromunds
    dromunds Posts: 9,299
    I remember a thousand life-times ago when I was working as a train controller. I was a young fella working a night shift with an old seasoned veteran controller who actually had helped at the conclusion of WWII re-establish the railroads in Italy while in the service. He knew his shite, and had worked his whole career "in the trenches" so to speak, eventually culminating in his position as a controller. A young "train master" who had never worked a day in the trenches came in shortly before the start of the day shift, looked at the old guys train sheets and asked why the guy had set up a train meet at a certain time at a certain place. The old controller never blinked an eye, just looked up and said, "Because I saw fit to." He then turned back to his work. The "trainmaster" stood stunned until he turned on his heels and left the office without a further word. I should add the railroad unions were strong in those days.
  • smglbrth
    smglbrth Posts: 1,286
    We’ve talked a tad about life on the railroad Don. Boy the stories I could tell from my 6.5 years being an engineer and conductor! Not all bad but..., now back to our regularly scheduled program...
  • bbeacham
    bbeacham Posts: 142
    Good luck. Looking forward to your review.
  • soupbone
    soupbone Posts: 104
    This happened Saturday morning and they're not making it LEFT until Tuesday... that ain't RIGHT!
  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,141
    When the delivery man left he thought he had left the right speaker but he soon found out that what he left wasn't right. The good news is he plans to make it right on Tuesday. I'm looking forward to hearing the review of the L800s so I hope he doesn't get it wrong again. You know what they say... two wrongs don't make a RIGHT. :)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,527
    You guys aint right, but I will take whats left, dont worry
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,089
    Starting to sound like an Abbott and Costello bit...
  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,046
    Starting to sound like an Abbott and Costello bit...

    Right you are!
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,951
    Starting to sound like an Abbott and Costello bit...

    More like Laurel and Hardy. At least Lou Costello knew his right from his left.
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  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 446
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