What amp should i run help please...

KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
So back in the day i built my parents a home theatre set up. They never use the home theatre set up. So i have it now.
So for the amp i have is a Harman/Kardon AVR 630. I know this is under powering my set up. So what i have for speakers are:
FRONT TOWERS:
Polk Audio RTI12
CENTRE SPEAKER:
Polk Audio CSI5
REAR SPEAKERS:
Polk Audio RTI6
SUBWOOFER:
Velodyne CHT 12

So i have been trying to figure out how to get the max power out of these speakers. I have been look at power amp to hook up to the amp i all ready have or just a new amp. I will be using the set up for music and to watch movies. I want to get the max power i can with out blowing the bank account. So i’m looking to spend up to 2k ish.
Thank for the help.

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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,052
    A Denon AVR-X3500 or Marantz SR6013 from A4L https://www.accessories4less.com/

    then an Outlaw 5000 https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/5000.html
    or
    Monoprice Monolith 5 https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15593
    Or

    Emotiva XPA5 https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/xpa-5-gen3

    RTi12 are a hard speaker to drive on an AVR alone.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    Hello first i would like to say thank you for the info.
    Question if i’m going to run a power amp why not keep the old HK 630 amp ?
    Also with the power amp what out put would you go with just a 2ch driven or 5ch driven ?

    Once again thx
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 7,995
    Just a friendly correction, an AVR is not generally referred to as an amp, just an AVR. There's a difference between an AVR, integrated amp, receiver, and amp.

    As to what amp how often do you sit and listen to regular two channel music vs how often do you use it for TV/movies/video games?
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    I would be using it more for tv and movies. But that being said when i am listening to music i want it to pound. Get as close to max performance in both mods.

    Thx for the help.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,448
    You have an Audio Video Receiver not an amplifier. Yours has pre outs, but it doesn't have HDMI, which you'll need, so get a new AVR making sure it has pre outs.

    As for adding an amplifier I suggest you look at a warmer sounding one to help tame your inherently bright speakers. Marantz or Parasound would be a good choice. A 3 or 5 channel amplifier would be best as the front 3 are the most important.
    So i have been trying to figure out how to get the max power out of these speakers.

    Speakers do not put out power.



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  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    Thx yes speakers don’t put out power. I missed spoke.
    On the power amp how meany watts per ch should i be looking at

    Thx
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,448
    edited August 30
    Whatever your wallet can afford, but keep in mind that watts per channel is only part of what counts and it's not the most important one, high current is more important. If an amplifier doubles or comes close to doubling in power from its 8 ohm rating to its 4 ohm rating it is a good sign that it's a high current amplifier.

    This would be a good choice. https://www.parasound.com/a31.php
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    So if you were in my shoes what would you get ?
    For receiver ?
    Power amp?
    If i’m going to replace my receiver. Too j would be around the 2500 mark.
  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    edited August 30
    Thx for the info 👍🏽
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,054
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,236
    Suggestions will be all over the place. Also new or used, as used would open up many more possibilities.

    F1NUT's suggestions are spot on with those speakers. Also, leave some room for good cabling in your budget, it does make a difference.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,052
    With a $2500 budget I think even a used Parasound might be a stretch.

    The Marantz or denon would be good as a pre + amp would not be able to fit in the OP's budget. Thing to watch out for on the Marantz is that darn porthole display, drove me nuts over time.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,420
    KSD009 wrote: »
    I would be using it more for tv and movies. But that being said when i am listening to music i want it to pound. Get as close to max performance in both mods.

    Thx for the help.

    Welcome to Club Polk. I checked out your HK, It doesn't have all the latest and greatest codecs and no HDMI, but it does have preouts. So if you want you can hook it up with ICs, and just get a 5 channel amp. All of Loren's recommendations are good.

    I would personally go for a new receiver ( I'm partial to Marantz) and then get a separate amplifier to power the speakers. I always suggest a min of 200wpc at 8ohms. This is enough to ensure all of your speakers can operate to their full potential.

    Keep us updated on what you ultimately decide.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,075
    cfrizz wrote: »
    I always suggest a min of 200wpc at 8ohms. This is enough to ensure all of your speakers can operate to their full potential.

    Hahah, here we go again with the "minimum of 200wpc" mumbo jumbo.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    Hello thank for all the info.
    From the comment before I know what i have is an avr receiver.
    For cables im using monster pro cables for everything.
    I agree time to change out the receiver.

    So here are a few more question:
    Would you just go with a 5ch not a 7ch power amp for future upgradeability? Is there even a point to 7.1 ?

    200 wats per channel will be enough to power everything else but is that enough power to make the RTI 12 pound ? Get max performance out of them ?
    Also when choosing am should i take i to consideration like the DB? What OMS it will run at ? How big the power supply is ?

    Do power amp connection with an in put for subs ?



    When using a power amp thats whats powering the speakers? Meaning you cant us the receiver and amp to power the speakers?

    Thank guys.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,054
    If you don’t need 4K I do have two pre/pro units. One is a NuForce AVP18 and the other is an Emotiva something or another. I always forget their names.
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,110
    “Warmer sounding amplifier” - :D. Could you please elaborate? Engineers wince whenever it is suggested that an amplifier has a "signature sound" because it suggests coloration, which is directly antithetical to everything Hi-Fi has stood for since the very beginning.

    To suggest that one sounds different from the other means that one or the other is coloring the signal (or even both). The guiding principle of any brand has always been firmly grounded in NO coloration. Coloration is measured as DISTORTION. When an amplifier is spec @ x watts 20-20,000 hz with no more than y% THD, it either performs to that spec or it does not. Pure and simple. If one performs and sounds different than another, either it’s out of spec and needs service or they’re LYING about their performance specs!

    If you don’t like the sound, add acoustic dampening on your walls, get an equalizer, or change your speakers.

    You should change your username to "Fear Inoculum" because you are the new TOOL.
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 11,794
    LOL. Good one, but insulting to Tool. :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • daddyjtdaddyjt Posts: 986
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    ...To suggest that one sounds different from the other means that one or the other is coloring the signal (or even both). The guiding principle of any brand has always been firmly grounded in NO coloration. Coloration is measured as DISTORTION...

    I hate to be the one to break this to you, but EVERY amplifier “colors” the sound to a certain degree. Further, just because it is technically distortion does not mean it is not pleasing to the ear.

    Sounds like you need to listen to a few more amplifiers in quality systems, and it will become apparent.

    Too much stuff to keep track of.

    Currently enjoying: Legacy Focus 20/20, McCormack DNA 225, Bill D C1, Oppo 105
  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    Cant we all just get along lol. All i want is for my house to shake when i’m watching a movie or playing music. Thank you come again.
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,110
    Better a tool than fool. I’m still waiting for an answer from F1nut :)

    But you're JoJo. You can see into the future. :o

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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 11,794
    edited August 30
    KSD009 wrote: »
    Cant we all just get along lol. All i want is for my house to shake when i’m watching a movie or playing music. Thank you come again.

    Then you need to spend at least $20K.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    Ok maybe so but these still can pound. So i want to Get the max performance out if these girls. :)
  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    I will pick up one of the avr you guys Suggested. But i’m not still sure on the amp.

    Also does polk have better tower speakers out now ?
  • KSD009KSD009 Posts: 33
    What does colors mean ?
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