Topping D10 USB DAC

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    LOL, we gotta hang out sometime. We would get along.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    @Clipdat when I move my head like that I hear a rattling sound a milk shoots out of my nose, and I don't drink milk. Lactose intolerant and all that. I hate cows. Anyway it is quite distracting from the music so you should stop doing it even if milk doesn't shoot out of your nose.

  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 4,669
    Oh yeah to hell with the cat, don't be so p whipped!
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    Self Control is over rated.
    Mr. Sharpe wrote: »
    Meh these were extra $70 as an open box item so it didn’t much to me either way:)

    Modern physics would have us believe that the universe is made up of quarks, gluons, photons -- and morons

    Jesus H. C H R I S T - Afterburner - can you ever be courteous and stay on topic. If you want to blather on about "Family Affair" start your own dam thread! I get tired of your inane comments. You're not clever and you're not funny and most time you're posts are completely irrelevant to the topic.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Hahah. He has sensitive hearing! He dislikes classical music. He's ok with drum n bass though!

    He's like our child, since my wife and I are never having kids! He's a member of the family :blush:
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Oh yeah to hell with the cat, don't be so p whipped!

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,580
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Popcorn Pug is too exhausted to make an appearance in this thread.

    he or she needs some refreshment.

    ahem

    :|
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,605
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    he or she needs some refreshment.

    ahem

    :|
    :p :p :p Just imagine what a VFD style screen must look like through those googly pug eyes!
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 4,669
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Hahah. He has sensitive hearing! He dislikes classical music. He's ok with drum n bass though!

    He's like our child, since my wife and I are never having kids! He's a member of the family :blush:
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Oh yeah to hell with the cat, don't be so p whipped!

    I have two cats, they are like my children too. All they do is smoke weed and play video games.
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    Self Control is over rated.
    Mr. Sharpe wrote: »
    Meh these were extra $70 as an open box item so it didn’t much to me either way:)

    Modern physics would have us believe that the universe is made up of quarks, gluons, photons -- and morons

    Jesus H. C H R I S T - Afterburner - can you ever be courteous and stay on topic. If you want to blather on about "Family Affair" start your own dam thread! I get tired of your inane comments. You're not clever and you're not funny and most time you're posts are completely irrelevant to the topic.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 11,475
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Hahah. He has sensitive hearing! He dislikes classical music. He's ok with drum n bass though!

    He's like our child, since my wife and I are never having kids! He's a member of the family :blush:
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Oh yeah to hell with the cat, don't be so p whipped!

    I have two cats, they are like my children too. All they do is smoke weed and play video games.

    them thar are sophisticated cats
  • halohalo Posts: 4,483
    edited March 17
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I have two cats, they are like my children too. All they do is smoke weed and play video games.
    We have 2 cats as well. They mainly sleep, eat, play, and give/receive affection with a little shedding thrown in for good measure + the occasional hairball production. They also k!ll bugs & pests from time to time but that can be counted as a part of their "play."

    FWIW, they could care less what kind of music I play. It doesn't seem to interest or bother them at all.
    Post edited by KennethSwauger on
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,580
    I had a cat in the 1970s ("The Bear", by name) that loved to listen to most of the music I listened to -- except she'd leave the room whenever I put on Boston's eponymous, first album.

    Smart darned cat.

  • verbverb Posts: 4,009
    Clipdat wrote: »
    The Meridian? Yes.
    verb wrote: »
    Did you return the other one?

    I didn't want to name the name, and invoke yet another tidal wave of passion! :smiley:
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Listening again currently. First impressions should come later tonight.
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,236
    I have four cats; one from the Humane Society and three ferals I caught in the backyard. They like classical, but when the rock volume goes up on Friday they migrate to the rear of the house. LOL.
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  • halohalo Posts: 4,483
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I have four cats; one from the Humane Society and three ferals I caught in the backyard.

    We adopted the boy almost 3 years ago from the anti-cruelty society in Chicago. After I asked them to take him out of the cage, they plopped him in my lap & then he got on his hind legs, put each of his arms around my neck, and gave me a hug. Love that cat! :smile:

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  • halohalo Posts: 4,483
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Looks like Pudge, the cat I got from the Humane Society. She was so small she looked like a big mouse. They called her Pudge as a joke name, like calling Bush, Einstein. LOL

    Ya, I hear you. The boy was underweight when we got him; pretty skinny. The note from the A-C vet, in his chart, said he needed to put on weight. We used to joke that he was a liquid when we got him but now he's a solid. Poor kid was sick with an ear infection. He used to just flow into positions. Got him to the vet, got him meds, and then he showed his true colors. lol. He put on weight (healthy weight) and now he feels solid. Lots of muscle on that kid.

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    edited March 16
    Some of my first impressions in list form, compared to my motherboard's onboard DAC:

    -Increased soundstage width, slightly increased depth, no increase in height. Bigger "sweet spot".
    -More three dimensional presentation, more liquid.
    -No increase in bass, perhaps a slight decrease. I don't want to say the bass was "anemic", but I bumped up the subwoofer gain knob ever so slightly.
    -Brighter sound signature. Not "strident", but just before it. Accented upper midrange and highs.

    The overall sound reminds me of a few other ESS Sabre based DACs like the Audioquest Dragonfly 1.0 and Dragonfly Red. Although with what I'm perceiving to be accented highs. Synergy working at the moment though with the ring radiator based Blackstone TL3s.

    I would describe the sound as exceedingly clear and coherent. Noise floor seems to be very low. Per @lightman1's suggestion, I closed my eyes during some of my listening tests and really focused on what I was hearing. There was a lot there to get lost in, again a three dimensional soundstage. A few of my favorite songs got me a little teary eyed, which at least shows that this DAC has the capability of conveying the emotion and feeling of a particularly powerful song.

    I tried a lot of genres from industrial rock, solo jazz vocalists, house, drum n bass, downtempo, hip hop, and classical. It seemed to do just fine with everything, with rock sounding particularly good somewhat surprisingly as this can be a difficult genre to get "right". Musicality is high, with a strong desire to keep listening to more music. Rhythm and timing is good, but still not as good as the Dragonfly Red, especially in terms of high hats - the DFR had some of the best pace/timing I've heard from a DAC.

    In summary, I'm happy with the purchase and I definitely feel that it performs above it's $90 price tag. Looking forward to logging some more hours on it and seeing if the highs tame out and/or the bass bolsters up a little. I can always pop the case off and roll the OP amp as well in the future!

    Another thing I'll be trying with it in the future is an Audioquest Forest USB cable, to compare against the Oyaide cable I'm using currently.
  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,752
    BlueFox wrote: »
    halo wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I have four cats; one from the Humane Society and three ferals I caught in the backyard.

    We adopted the boy almost 3 years ago from the anti-cruelty society in Chicago. After I asked them to take him out of the cage, they plopped him in my lap & then he got on his hind legs, put each of his arms around my neck, and gave me a hug. Love that cat! :smile:

    bzxx3y5b0059.jpg


    Looks like Pudge, the cat I got from the Humane Society. She was so small she looked like a big mouse. They called her Pudge as a joke name, like calling Bush, Einstein. LOL

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    Now that’s a handsome cat!
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 6,519
    Somewhere there's a witch missing a cat. ;)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,165
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Some of my first impressions in list form, compared to my motherboard's onboard DAC:

    -Increased soundstage width, slightly increased depth, no increase in height. Bigger "sweet spot".
    -More three dimensional presentation, more liquid.
    -No increase in bass, perhaps a slight decrease. I don't want to say the bass was "anemic", but I bumped up the subwoofer gain knob ever so slightly.
    -Brighter sound signature. Not "strident", but just before it. Accented upper midrange and highs.

    The overall sound reminds me of a few other ESS Sabre based DACs like the Audioquest Dragonfly 1.0 and Dragonfly Red. Although with what I'm perceiving to be accented highs. Synergy working at the moment though with the ring radiator based Blackstone TL3s.

    I would describe the sound as exceedingly clear and coherent. Noise floor seems to be very low. Per @lightman1's suggestion, I closed my eyes during some of my listening tests and really focused on what I was hearing. There was a lot there to get lost in, again a three dimensional soundstage. A few of my favorite songs got me a little teary eyed, which at least shows that this DAC has the capability of conveying the emotion and feeling of a particularly powerful song.

    I tried a lot of genres from industrial rock, solo jazz vocalists, house, drum n bass, downtempo, hip hop, and classical. It seemed to do just fine with everything, with rock sounding particularly good somewhat surprisingly as this can be a difficult genre to get "right". Musicality is high, with a strong desire to keep listening to more music. Rhythm and timing is good, but still not as good as the Dragonfly Red, especially in terms of high hats - the DFR had some of the best pace/timing I've heard from a DAC.

    In summary, I'm happy with the purchase and I definitely feel that it performs above it's $90 price tag. Looking forward to logging some more hours on it and seeing if the highs tame out and/or the bass bolsters up a little. I can always pop the case off and roll the OP amp as well in the future!

    Another thing I'll be trying with it in the future is an Audioquest Forest USB cable, to compare against the Oyaide cable I'm using currently.

    What source material where you using to make those evaluations ?
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    edited March 17
    Examples of the source material can be found on the first page of this thread in the photos and screenshots I posted.

    Primarily 44.1. I haven't installed the Topping provided Windows driver and setup Foobar2000 for DSD playback yet.
    tonyb wrote: »
    What source material where you using to make those evaluations ?

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Logging some more hours on it right now, listening to past DJ mixes that I've done.

    I'm pleased to report that the top of the unit gets mildly warm during use, which I consider to be a benefit. Everyone knows electronics sound better when they're warm and up to temp! :)
  • verbverb Posts: 4,009
    So is this a keeper?
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    Absolutely!
    verb wrote: »
    So is this a keeper?

  • verbverb Posts: 4,009
    Cool. I need to upgrade my audio on the PC in the office. It’s an ITX MB so no room for an extra audio card. Sounds like a good solution.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    I should hurry up and try this AQ Forest USB cable but things are sounding good now, so I'm hesitant to switch out the current cable! Also, I'm lazy.

    Did you figure out if your Logitech subwoofer's plate amplifier will power standard speakers? Does it have standard spring clip hookups?
    verb wrote: »
    Cool. I need to upgrade my audio on the PC in the office. It’s an ITX MB so no room for an extra audio card. Sounds like a good solution.

  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,605
    Whenever I read "Topping D10 USB DAC", I think it sounds like code for a sundae order. D10 = Dairy 10 = 10 scoops of ice cream. USB = Unhealthy amounts of Strawberry and Butterscotch (or Banana?). DAC = Drastic Amounts of (whipped) Cream.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,965
    You have an overactive imagination!
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Whenever I read "Topping D10 USB DAC", I think it sounds like code for a sundae order. D10 = Dairy 10 = 10 scoops of ice cream. USB = Unhealthy amounts of Strawberry and Butterscotch (or Banana?). DAC = Drastic Amounts of (whipped) Cream.

  • verbverb Posts: 4,009
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I should hurry up and try this AQ Forest USB cable but things are sounding good now, so I'm hesitant to switch out the current cable! Also, I'm lazy.

    Did you figure out if your Logitech subwoofer's plate amplifier will power standard speakers? Does it have standard spring clip hookups?
    verb wrote: »
    Cool. I need to upgrade my audio on the PC in the office. It’s an ITX MB so no room for an extra audio card. Sounds like a good solution.

    Not that I recall. You’re gonna make me crawl under the desk and check it out tomorrow.

    No comments from Jimmy about being under the desk! :smile:
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  • verbverb Posts: 4,009
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Whenever I read "Topping D10 USB DAC", I think it sounds like code for a sundae order. D10 = Dairy 10 = 10 scoops of ice cream. USB = Unhealthy amounts of Strawberry and Butterscotch (or Banana?). DAC = Drastic Amounts of (whipped) Cream.

    Spring is here! Gosh that sounds good!
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