Group Buy '16: Dreadnought Avel Lindberg 1000VA Isolation Transformers

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  • DrumSolo
    DrumSolo Posts: 9
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    Thanks again @vcwatkins and all who participated... :o oh and thank you @Mr_Hz for this awesome case! :D
  • monepolk
    monepolk Posts: 1,142
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    Received mine yesterday. Thanks to @250GTLusso for getting this round started and thanks to @vcwatkins for running with the ball.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,145
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    dkfreebird wrote: »
    Yep laminectomy,2 thru 5

    At least that's better than a Orchiectomy 1&2
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 9,703
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    what about #3?
    I disabled signatures.
  • dkfreebird
    dkfreebird Posts: 1,186
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    At least that's better than a Orchiectomy 1&2

    Those were gone when I said I Do and she said the 3 was a keeper ;)
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  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
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    Got in late last night from music fest (getting too old for this, hehe) and found mine at front door. I'll send a PM out and update the list today. Many thanks to @250GTLusso!
    b]Beach Audio[/b]: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
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    Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,105
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    Mine was supposed to come on Friday according to the P.O., it came Saturday at work, of course. Just got it out of the mailbox and the box has taken some abuse, with a big split in the side. I'll open it later and make sure there is no damage.

    Thanks to @250GTLusso and @vcwatkins for all their work to pull this off.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,105
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    Contents look fine. I wonder how they were shipped from Sri Lanka? It seems Avel was just a middleman as these are made in Sri Lanka, I wonder what role if any Avel played beyond placing the order and packing and shipping them.

    Time to order the rest of what I need. It will be several weeks before I assemble.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
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    heiney9 wrote: »
    Contents look fine. I wonder how they were shipped from Sri Lanka? It seems Avel was just a middleman as these are made in Sri Lanka, I wonder what role if any Avel played beyond placing the order and packing and shipping them.

    Time to order the rest of what I need. It will be several weeks before I assemble.

    H9

    Glad it made it okay. My box was in good shape. I immediately discarded the box since recyclables were picked up early this morning, so I never noticed the Sri Lanka address. Interesting.
    b]Beach Audio[/b]: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
    Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
    Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
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    Town Study: WiiM Pro * Chord Qute (Pardo) * Elekit TU-8600 * MIT S3 * Revel M22 * Beyer DT-990 * Shunyata Hydra 2
    Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
    Town Porch: WiiM Pro Plus * Sunfire Sig II * Canare 4S11 * Magnepan 1.6 * Dectet
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,105
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    The Sri Lanka is a sticker on the actual transformer.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,105
    edited April 2017
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    kmeek wrote: »
    Mine just came in and aside from the box being a little mangled they had the tranny wedged in with a good amount of cardboard and packing paper.

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    vcwatkins, look at the upper left corner of the first photo.

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
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    Ahh, gotcha, thanks.
    b]Beach Audio[/b]: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
    Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
    Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
    Beach Den: Bluesound Powernode 2i * DH Labs SS Q10 * Zu Omen DWII * Richard Gray RGPC
    Town Study: WiiM Pro * Chord Qute (Pardo) * Elekit TU-8600 * MIT S3 * Revel M22 * Beyer DT-990 * Shunyata Hydra 2
    Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
    Town Porch: WiiM Pro Plus * Sunfire Sig II * Canare 4S11 * Magnepan 1.6 * Dectet
  • kmeek
    kmeek Posts: 225
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    Yes, I received mine on Saturday and had it together and completed by the end of the day. Yeh! :smiley:

    Thanks again @vcwatkins and @250GTLusso for putting on the group buy. Hopefully the next time we put one of these together I will own a pair of 1.2tl's that I will be in need of another dreadnought (wishful thinking).
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,105
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    There's nothing wrong with them being made in Sri Lanka. I just assumed for the cost and special order they would be made in the USA at the actual Avel Lindberg plant. Maybe there is no such thing as a "US Plant".

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,145
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    Kinda explains why it takes so long to get them, probably takes a month to ship and receive through customs
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  • kmeek
    kmeek Posts: 225
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    heiney9 wrote: »
    There's nothing wrong with them being made in Sri Lanka. I just assumed for the cost and special order they would be made in the USA at the actual Avel Lindberg plant. Maybe there is no such thing as a "US Plant".

    H9

    While I am sipping on my Sumatran coffee auditioning my 2.3's through my Sri Lankan dreadnought I think I will be happy just the same... :wink:
  • jojo674
    jojo674 Posts: 4
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    If anyone bought a 1000VA and does not need it. If anyone can part with one 1000VA that would be greatly appreciated. I actually have 1.2 tl's and fried the left side SDA and other drivers because my AI-1 is done. Had to start from scratch. I have owned these for 29 years. Can only afford this one time. Please help.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,105
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    Avel makes and stocks an 800vA model that performs superbly with SDA's. The 1000vA is a slight improvement.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,490
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    So quit messing around, put them together and report your findings. B)
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  • jojo674
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    heiney9 wrote: »
    Avel makes and stocks an 800vA model that performs superbly with SDA's. The 1000vA is a slight improvement.

    H9

    Thank you.
    Looking for the 1000VA

  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,993
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    jojo674 wrote: »
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Avel makes and stocks an 800vA model that performs superbly with SDA's. The 1000vA is a slight improvement.

    H9

    Thank you.
    Looking for the 1000VA

    You'd be very happy with the 800VA.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,105
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    jojo674 wrote: »
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Avel makes and stocks an 800vA model that performs superbly with SDA's. The 1000vA is a slight improvement.

    H9

    Thank you.
    Looking for the 1000VA

    Good luck, maybe someone will sell. I will sell mine for $1000. $1 per vA.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
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    jojo674 wrote: »
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Avel makes and stocks an 800vA model that performs superbly with SDA's. The 1000vA is a slight improvement.

    H9

    Thank you.
    Looking for the 1000VA

    I'm actually one of the people who's owned the 800VA and the 1000VA, I upgraded in the second group buy. The improvement is there, but in terms of scale, there will be a much bigger improvement by going from the original AI-1 to the 800VA than there will be going from the 800VA to the 1000VA. Given that a group buy just finished up with about 30 of these purchased, I think it'll be a few years before there is another group buy. If I'm you, I'm repairing your 1.2's, do all the crossover upgrades possible, get yourself into RD-0198's if you haven't already, and get the 800VA tranny. The improvements you'll realize will be so huge. Listen to the others' advice and buy the 800.

    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
  • jojo674
    jojo674 Posts: 4
    edited April 2017
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    I already have all new drivers, tweeters, upgraded to Tl's. New VR3 Fortress mod with high grade posts, connectors, internal wires, & SDA cable. Trey is making that as we speak.
  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
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    jojo674 wrote: »
    I already have all new drivers, tweeters, upgraded to Tl's. New VR3 Fortress mod with high grade posts, connectors, internal wires, & SDA cable. Trey is making that as we speak.

    Awesome. Get on the 800VA tranny, and you will be in absolute heaven compared to where you just came from. You can always jump to the next level whenever the next group buy happens.

    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    edited April 2017
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    It's a dreadnought holiday today! I assembled and installed it last weekend but haven't had time to listen. My house is somewhat of a circus with 4 kids from 11 to 18. Wouldn't change a thing but listening time is rare these days. So ... I'm burning a vacation day and enjoying some tunes! The dreadnought lives up to the hype!

    Imaging and Soundstage - Not much more to add to DK's original reviews. He described it as more crescent shaped and thicker in the middle like an "M" if I recall. That's exactly what I'm hearing. Individual instruments/voices are more distinct. They went from over there to right there. Vocals are back a little further and that's a good thing in my system. They were a little bit in your face before and now they're just right.

    Bass - I expected more and it's here. I was initially concerned that more mid-bass could be boomy. DK assured me that it's not at all boomy in his system and he's spot on. There's more low bass, more mid bass, more thump in the chest bass. Somehow it's also tighter at the same time. I installed Erse Super Q SDA inductors a long time ago and this is a further improvement.

    Overall - My expectations have been exceeded. What I can't adequately express is how much more enjoyable it is to listen to my system now. It went from "that sounds really good" to "wow!" Wow is not always a good thing but this is the kind of wow that makes you want to keep listening.

    Thanks again @vcwatkins and @250GTLusso for putting this together! Thanks @DarqueKnight for your previous work that led to this! Hope the rest of you enjoy this as much as I am.
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    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,105
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    Nice review!!

    Got the remainder of parts today from Parts Express. I hope to build mine this weekend and get it in the system.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
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    By the way, I used the Neutrik cable to cable adapter that you found for the comparisons. Thanks for letting us know about the adapter H9!
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
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    According to confirmations, 17 of 27 members have theirs so far. If anyone has received but not confirmed with me, please PM me.

    Thanks and Dread On!

    Craig
    b]Beach Audio[/b]: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
    Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
    Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
    Beach Den: Bluesound Powernode 2i * DH Labs SS Q10 * Zu Omen DWII * Richard Gray RGPC
    Town Study: WiiM Pro * Chord Qute (Pardo) * Elekit TU-8600 * MIT S3 * Revel M22 * Beyer DT-990 * Shunyata Hydra 2
    Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
    Town Porch: WiiM Pro Plus * Sunfire Sig II * Canare 4S11 * Magnepan 1.6 * Dectet
  • vcwatkins
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    Thanks for confirming guys! Still waiting to hear from a few folks:

    @250GTLusso
    @amb426amb1
    @dd2753
    @Goat
    @Nesmith98
    @Polk65
    @RobbyKY
    @villock

    Please update me on your status when possible.

    Thanks,
    Craig
    b]Beach Audio[/b]: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
    Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
    Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
    Beach Den: Bluesound Powernode 2i * DH Labs SS Q10 * Zu Omen DWII * Richard Gray RGPC
    Town Study: WiiM Pro * Chord Qute (Pardo) * Elekit TU-8600 * MIT S3 * Revel M22 * Beyer DT-990 * Shunyata Hydra 2
    Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
    Town Porch: WiiM Pro Plus * Sunfire Sig II * Canare 4S11 * Magnepan 1.6 * Dectet