Group Buy '16: Dreadnought Avel Lindberg 1000VA Isolation Transformers

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,412
    I don't know Brock, for a measly $9.61 you get exactly what you need delivered to your door instead of wasting time at the store. Home Depot, Lowe's and Ace all have specialty hardware sections, but will not have all the stainless steel hardware required and what they might have will cost a lot more.
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  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,570
    edited January 2017
    My experience has been very much like @F1nut 's.

    I have two very good hardware/lumber yards near me -- one is Ace Hardware, the other True Value. They have very good fastener sections, and one of them has even cut down cap screws for me when they do not have the exact length that I need.

    However, I've now begun to order what I need online for specialty products. I get exactly what I want, usually with free shipping, and the price is usually less or equal to those of the hardware stores -- without the cost in driving time and expense.

    Lowe's and Home Depot never have everything that I need, except for the most quotidian items.
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,024
    F1nut wrote: »
    I don't know Brock, for a measly $9.61 you get exactly what you need delivered to your door instead of wasting time at the store. Home Depot, Lowe's and Ace all have specialty hardware sections, but will not have all the stainless steel hardware required and what they might have will cost a lot more.

    Yeah, $10 isn't much, but I think for $2.50 worth of goods that weighs less than a pound. $10 is a bit much. I realize it's not all retailers fault. FedEx and UPS are costly shippers.

    FTR, our local hardware store has been in business for over 90 years and is locally owned not a national chain, and I happen to live in what was the screw and fastener capital of the US at one time not that long ago. Lots of surplus availability locally for a long time.

    I'll try them first.

    H9

    P.s. that's $10 less I can spend on tubes! :D



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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,850
    quotidian

    Going to have to tuck this away and whip it out unexpectedly on some unsuspecting chap :p B)



  • gmcmangmcman Posts: 1,401
  • edpot1edpot1 Posts: 4
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Much appreciated edpot1. $3.41 in fasteners plus $9.61 in shipping seems kind of silly. I will probably go to my local hardware store to get the fasteners. Thanks for including the dimensions and not just the Fastenal part number.

    Thanks again Jay for sharing.

    H9

    I did go to Home Depot yesterday and wasn't able to find similar parts. Once I have the case and the transformer, I *might* be able to find parts there that would work - the sizes obviously don't have to be exactly what I posted. But given what I know right now about the dimensions, I'll probably go with Fastenal.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,412
    edited January 2017
    To mount the sockets properly those are the correct sizes, it's what Neutrik calls for. I've seen others use improper sizes, which looks like dog poo to me. YMMV.
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,262
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,024
    They were special order only and you missed the group buy. Perhaps someone may have one to sell. If you got to page 1 you will see several links that explains the use and build of one of these. Get your learn on.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,024
    edited February 2017
    I just broke down and bought the fasteners from Fastenal and paid the $10 shipping for $3 worth of stuff. After thinking it through it made sense. I know I could have sourced stuff locally, but my time is worth something and frankly I just want to be done with it and off my mind.

    I also decided to get all the Neutrik parts from Parts Express. Along with the other misc parts including red techflex and gold female disconnects. I was thinking I have Canare 4S11 at home currently for my SDA cable, but it turns out it's 4S8, a tad smaller gauge but it should suffice.

    I was going to get a 12' piece of 4S11 at Performance Audio and the Neutrik parts, but I'm betting the difference between 11g or 13g wire diameter over a 5 foot run on each side for the SDA signal will be negligible.

    I also included one of these if I have issues w/ the tranny or want to run w/o it. Or simply to make a comparison before and after.

    http://www.parts-express.com/neutrik-nl4mmx-speakon-cable-to-cable-adapter-4-pole--092-196

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • agfrostagfrost Posts: 2,251
    Hey that coupler is nice! Cool find.
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  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 14,088
    ONLY 7 CASES LEFT!!!
  • 250GTLusso250GTLusso Registered User Posts: 162
    Wait, what?! Do you still have the 2 I ordered? Did I miss something?
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited February 2017
    So Larry gave me a couple different face plates to mess around with after work. So I thought why not put both connections on one side? I took a blank one and machined a counter bore for each and the appropriate hole locations.
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    Now I have a blank front facing plate that I'll eventually laser etch the Polk Audio logo on.
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  • nspindelnspindel Posts: 5,343
    I still say we should come up with a Dreadnought logo.
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 14,088
    nspindel wrote: »
    I still say we should come up with a Dreadnought logo.


    We might just be able to do that soon, as we just got an Epilog Laser at the shop.

    Won't be anytime soon as we still have to get it up and running for our customers product..
  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 14,088
    Looks good Brian!!!
  • nspindelnspindel Posts: 5,343
    That's fine. You don't need to do a run of the boxes. Just make the faceplates. Didn't you used to have something like that? Didn't the crossover mounting plates you used to do have laser etching?
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 14,088
    No, I sent them out to be silk screened..
  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 14,088
    Exactly, just the face plate..
  • vcwatkinsvcwatkins Posts: 1,856
    I had a question on Dreadnought wiring, so I'm pasting stuff from previous build posts here:

    Binding post connections from DarqueKnight's original 2008 Dreadnought thread. Note this is using the 800VA, but the 1000VA is the same scheme.
    Right Pin = Red/Yellow

    Right Blade (Negative Speaker Terminal) = Black/Orange

    Left Pin = Grey/Brown

    Left Blade (Negative Speaker Terminal) = Blue/Violet
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    Neutrik connections from F1nut's Neutrik Dreadnought. I believe this arrangement is consistent with Larry's latest batch of cases. For same-side Neutriks with 90deg connectors, see ER308L's post directly above.
    F1nut wrote: »
    Is there a chart here or one that you can post that tells me which wires I should soldered to each numbered tab?
    Red/Yellow (right pin) to 1+
    Black/Orange (right blade) to 1-
    Grey/Brown (left pin) to 1+
    Blue/Violet (left blade) to 1-
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    DarqueKnight's Dynamatted base
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    F1nut's Dynamtted top
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    Other quicklinks:
    agfrost's use of slightly different Neutrik's, Fastons, bolt info (use SS or nylon)
    Parts discussion on page 10 above.
    Larry's Dreadnought cases here. Only 5 left!
    F1nut's outriggers and spikes
    agfrost's cabling (you may want to order an extra pair of male connectors)
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,412
    ER308L wrote: »
    So Larry gave me a couple different face plates to mess around with after work. So I thought why not put both connections on one side? I took a blank one and machined a counter bore for each and the appropriate hole locations.

    Now I have a blank front facing plate that I'll eventually laser etch the Polk Audio logo on.

    Just wanted to point out that the transformer sounds better in the vertical position, hence the reason you see pretty much everyone else's that way.



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  • I have alot of different options that I want to try out before I make my spikes and the rest of that apperatus. Does anyone know why it makes a difference having it vertical?
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,412
    I believe Ray explained that in here somewhere. Magnetic fields or some such.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,482
    F1nut wrote: »
    I believe Ray explained that in here somewhere. Unicorn dust, double rainbow mist, fairy tears, the alignment of the space time continuum, and the secondary waves of th butterfly effect were the cause of the magic.

    Fixed it for you @F1nut....

    PS I'm bored so ignore my comment as an attempt at humoristic banter

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  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 14,088
    Only 4 Cases Left... :)
  • kmeekkmeek Posts: 225
    For your Dreadnought project:
    Just an FYI: since several forum members recommended Canare 4S11 speaker cable I picked up some from Performance Audio.
    While it is not on sale (@ $1.16 per foot which doesn't seem like a bad price) they do have a free shipping February event going on right now (with no minimum order which is nice)

    http://www.performanceaudio.com/browse/Speaker-Wire/170/

    Canare 4S11 Star Quad Speaker Cable (4 x 14-Gauge)
  • kmeekkmeek Posts: 225
    FYI, for your Dreadnought project:
    Due to forum member suggestions I picked up some Canare 4S11 speaker wire from Performance Audio. It is not on sale but $1.16 per foot did not seem like a bad price. The nice thing though is they have a free shipping February event going on right now (so no minimum order).

    Here is the link:

    http://www.performanceaudio.com/browse/Speaker-Wire/170/

    Canare 4S11 Star Quad Speaker Cable (4 x 14-Gauge)
  • kmeekkmeek Posts: 225
    FYI, for your Dreadnought project:
    Due to forum member suggestions I picked up some Canare 4S11 speaker wire from Performance Audio. It is not on sale but $1.16 per foot did not seem like a bad price. The nice thing though is they have a free shipping February event going on right now (so no minimum order).

    Here is the link:

    http://www.performanceaudio.com/browse/Speaker-Wire/170/

    Canare 4S11 Star Quad Speaker Cable (4 x 14-Gauge)
  • kmeekkmeek Posts: 225
    FYI, for your Dreadnought project:
    Due to forum member suggestions I picked up some Canare 4S11 speaker wire from Performance Audio. It is not on sale but $1.16 per foot did not seem like a bad price. The nice thing though is they have a free shipping February event going on right now (so no minimum order).

    Here is the link:

    http://www.performanceaudio.com/browse/Speaker-Wire/170/

    Canare 4S11 Star Quad Speaker Cable (4 x 14-Gauge)
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