"But don't say that the sound is better"
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I didn't read the article and I won't. I love vinyl and CD/SACD's for diff. reasons. That article or any other article would not change my mind.
I just bought 350 rice paper poly inner sleeves so yes vinyl can be a bit on the pricey side. CD's are certainly easier and I think they sound great. I have around 2000 CD's but I have around 7000 LP's. I went to my favorite shop on Fri. and bought 6 LP's for $86. I didn't pick up any CD's because once I go through the vinyl section there's no money left for CD's. LOL
I do disagree that one has to spend enormous amounts of cash to play vinyl. I do agree that it is not for the weak of spirit and those who don't have the time to spend on it.
Once again it comes down to this. Simply enjoy what you have. I do
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Not so obvious at all. Have you heard music recorded on VHS?? Problem is the equipment is no longer available because it was meant to be an audio/video format, not a high end audio only format.
Intentional or not, you missed the point. I was speaking to the video aspect and how folks who think vinyl is superior generally, prefer digital video.
Ahhh But is blu ray superior to 70mm film?
That would be the fair comparison no?
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I have no doubts about the validity of the article. It still doesn't change the fact that I prefer listening to vinyl in my setup by a large margin. Bottom line, I don't need an article to tell me which format I like better! I'm always open to listening however......
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Yesterday the wife was gone so I spun 6 or 7 45rpm LP's. Every single one sounded so good and the volume just kept going up and up with each song. The last song in the mix was "Ride Across The River" Dire Strait and I cranked it up to where I could feel the base on the floor.
I guess what I'm saying/experiencing is the sound coming from my vinyl has never sounded this good. Yes, I want to work on the digital side of things but I can't imagine it ever sounding so rich and spacious. I'm sure it could but it's like going to your favorite pizza place. You just can't make yourself go somewhere else because it tastes sooo good.
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The best thing is to have a decent Digital and Analog source, the digital is more for around the house occasionally doing critical listening but when it comes time to sit in the chair with a drink in hand, I enjoy starting out with Vinyl and then switching over to Sacd or CD simple as that I also like to stream music so the bases are covered.Home Theater
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Mikey081057 wrote: »Not so obvious at all. Have you heard music recorded on VHS?? Problem is the equipment is no longer available because it was meant to be an audio/video format, not a high end audio only format.
Intentional or not, you missed the point. I was speaking to the video aspect and how folks who think vinyl is superior generally, prefer digital video.
Ahhh But is blu ray superior to 70mm film?
That would be the fair comparison no?
Can you play 70mm film at home?Political Correctness'.........defined
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soundfreak1 wrote: »One thought just hit me in this debate! I have heard and read so many people asking how to make thier cd's sound as good as vinyl, never have I read people trying to make thier vinyl sound as good as cd's! Just saying!!!!
I never could get vinyl to sound as good as CD/SACD's, hence I got rid of my vinyl.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I never could get vinyl to sound as good as CD/SACD's, hence I got rid of my vinyl.
That is a perfectly reasonable and delightfully non-dogmatic statement; a simple and concise statement of fact. It's refreshing to see such applied to a topic that draws out the dogmatists every time.
(and, please note, I am not including the source of that quote as "one of the dogmatists"!)
meanwhile, I'm listening to FM radio...
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I don't think there is such a thing as a "perfect" format, just those that play to our preferences is all. Which ever floats your boat, rock out with your you know what out and be happy. Life's too short to listen to crappy music.HT SYSTEM-
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I never could get vinyl to sound as good as CD/SACD's, hence I got rid of my vinyl.[/quote]
Agree completely. But I still have my complete Zappa LP collection.
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Mikey081057 wrote: »Not so obvious at all. Have you heard music recorded on VHS?? Problem is the equipment is no longer available because it was meant to be an audio/video format, not a high end audio only format.
Intentional or not, you missed the point. I was speaking to the video aspect and how folks who think vinyl is superior generally, prefer digital video.
Ahhh But is blu ray superior to 70mm film?
That would be the fair comparison no?
Can you play 70mm film at home?
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LOL....Political Correctness'.........defined
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Political Correctness'.........defined
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I also listen to FM with a 20' FM antenna with rotor. I can instantly hear when they play an LP because of the background noise and pops and crackles.
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Too funny, same here.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I have no doubts about the validity of the article. It still doesn't change the fact that I prefer listening to vinyl in my setup by a large margin. Bottom line, I don't need an article to tell me which format I like better! I'm always open to listening however......
Cha ching.....
Articles are used by many to validate their choices or why they won't experiment with this or that. A shame too, because they miss out on so much when all they have to do is listen for themselves.
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I have to wonder why the folks that tout the analog nature of vinyl as being superior aren't also touting VHS tape as being better than DVD or Blu-ray? No need to answer, it's obvious that the digital formats are the more accurate and superior format.
Sorry Jessey but this is a really bad analogy anyway you look at it your comparing apples & oranges. You just can't compare digital video to digital audio there completely different animals, also people hear far better than they can see so it's easier to fool ones eyes than there ears.
To begin with most VHS recorders only recorded 200 lines of resolution out of the NTSC's 525 scan lines of which 483 scan lines made up the visible picture, This is why VHS never looked as good as the original broadcast or movie. The DVD format has 480 lines of resolution, also ALL digital video is in a lossy compressed format were all CDs are uncompressed.
Uncompressed video is just impracticable due to it's storage needs.
Case in point, Take a standard 2 hour 16/9 widescreen DVD as it is displayed on your T.V. at 30 fps (actually 29.9) with a screen size of 853 by 480 and 32 bits per pixel means you need 1,637,760 bytes storage per frame (853 * 480 * 4) times 30fps (49,132,800 bytes) times 60 seconds per minute (2,947,968,000 bytes) times 120 minutes (2 hours) for a grand total of 353,756,160,000 bytes or around 329.5 gigabytes (where a gigabyte = 1,073,741,824 bytes) or 353.75616 gigabytes (where a gigabyte = 1,000,000,000 bytes).Can you play 70mm film at home?
No you can't, Nor does it matter as 70mm is going to go away as is all film for full length movies. They simply cost too much to produce, print and distribute and limited in it's capability's when compared to what can be done with digital video.
Something else I just thought off, Aren't most recording studios digital now days with as many tracks as you need or want where as analog studios had what 24 tracks max and if so then that brand new vinyl album you bought was mixed down from a digital master recording.
In the end this whole analog vs digital debate is about as useful as a cable debate. Those who swear by analog will never be convinced otherwise, same go's for the digital crowd. But I do have to admit that I find that a properly mixed digital recording does sound cleaner and have greater dynamic range than an analog recording (unless your talking about a 24 track tape master and have the gear to play it.).
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"No you can't, Nor does it matter as 70mm is going to go away as is all film for full length movies."
Too bad as Vertigo in 70mm was something to be experienced.
BTW, SS is the way to go. Those tube guys are off their heads
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rednedtugent wrote: »"No you can't, Nor does it matter as 70mm is going to go away as is all film for full length movies."
Too bad as Vertigo in 70mm was something to be experienced.
BTW, SS is the way to go. Those tube guys are off their heads
trying to make it sound like there old vinyl.
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rednedtugent wrote: »"No you can't, Nor does it matter as 70mm is going to go away as is all film for full length movies."
Too bad as Vertigo in 70mm was something to be experienced.
BTW, SS is the way to go. Those tube guys are off their heads
trying to make it sound like there old vinyl.
And another door is opened.
I prefer CDs over LPs and not because I'm lazy.
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rednedtugent wrote: »"No you can't, Nor does it matter as 70mm is going to go away as is all film for full length movies."
Too bad as Vertigo in 70mm was something to be experienced.
BTW, SS is the way to go. Those tube guys are off their heads
trying to make it sound like there old vinyl.
In my limited experience with tubes but plenty with solid state, I always thought tubes would make music sound like vinyl. But in my rig with SS amps, and a tube pre, the sound is clean and huge! The sound stage widened and became much deeper with tubes, Obviously this is tube dependent, as there are many flavors of tubes, but man... It is something that needs to be heard.
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