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  • madmax
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    steveinaz wrote: »
    madmax wrote: »
    This is why we should load our CDs as files and throw away the CDs. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/do-hard-disk-drives-sound-better-than-cd-2/

    A couple years ago I made the same observations and people thought I was off my nut. My "theory" was either reduced jitter, or removing the optical reading portion of the process present in cd players.

    You may have been the one who got me to looking into it, back then. I do remember someone on the forum brought it up and I researched it with a digital fellow who could blow us all away with theory and he assumed any difference was in the amount of jitter.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

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  • cfrizz
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    soundfreak1 wrote: »
    Cfritzz is that an eskie???

    It's supposed to be a white wolf, I found the picture online.

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  • soundfreak1
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    Oh it looks just like an eskie I had once.
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  • nooshinjohn
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    Looks like my Eskimo.
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  • soundfreak1
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    Best dog I ever had.
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  • steveinaz
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    madmax wrote: »
    steveinaz wrote: »
    madmax wrote: »
    This is why we should load our CDs as files and throw away the CDs. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/do-hard-disk-drives-sound-better-than-cd-2/

    A couple years ago I made the same observations and people thought I was off my nut. My "theory" was either reduced jitter, or removing the optical reading portion of the process present in cd players.

    You may have been the one who got me to looking into it, back then. I do remember someone on the forum brought it up and I researched it with a digital fellow who could blow us all away with theory and he assumed any difference was in the amount of jitter.

    My other theory was that reading bits from a HDD is done "magnetically" rather than reading physical pits that may or may not be cleanly rendered on the disc.
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  • tonyb
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    To each his own, for me reading a book takes into account the book itself. I can't read a book off a phone or tablet. Much like the vinyl guys who say the experience involves the process too which adds something to the whole thing.
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  • tonyb
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    steveinaz wrote: »
    madmax wrote: »
    This is why we should load our CDs as files and throw away the CDs. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/do-hard-disk-drives-sound-better-than-cd-2/

    A couple years ago I made the same observations and people thought I was off my nut. My "theory" was either reduced jitter, or removing the optical reading portion of the process present in cd players.

    Jitter shouldn't be a problem with cd's, most players today have such low jitter well beyond what we can hear. However, jitter may play more a role, as you said, in other aspects of the musical presentation that we can distinguish.

    Funny, because at first my observations were the opposite of yours. Digital however has made leaps and bounds from when it first came out and I think now it can indeed surpass a cdp and in some cases, a decent SACD.

    It used to be, you had to pick one. Convenience or sound quality, you couldn't have both in the digital world. Now, you can....and fairly cheaply too. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks. ;)
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  • K_M
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    We have vinyl.
    It is fun at times.
    A pain at times.

    It does not get me more involved in the music, but seems to draw more attention to "itself" and requires attention.

    CD or files, I just get lost in the music.
    Vinyl is fun and different, but not transparent.
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  • Montoya
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    No matter how good your CD player sounds it will never be as cool as a vinyl record. lol
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  • maximillian
    maximillian Posts: 2,142
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    New albums - CD or FLAC files. CD's immediately get ripped to FLAC. Music stored on a NAS.

    Old recordings...I still have a record player primarily for playing old vinyl records. My dad gave me his collection recently and I had to get a record player to play the records. It's a shame not to play them. It's a bit of nostalgia since I grew up with him playing these tunes. So I will never abandon the format.

    The other thing I like records for is the fact that it kind of forces me to listen to the record from start to finish. CD and digital records are too convenient to easily change tracks. But with a record I have to stop what I am doing, get up, and walk over to the player to do so. Some albums are great to hear start to finish.

    Yes, the article is correct. But not everyone who listens to vinyl records does it for the sound.

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  • nooshinjohn
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    I have not played a cd since the TriangleArt got set up and dialed in.
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  • gce
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    That's what happens when you go vinyl. ;)
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  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
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    ^^yep! Only play digital now when I'm either drunk as s*** or burning in a piece of equipment (lately crossovers).^^
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  • txcoastal1
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    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I have not played a cd since the TriangleArt got set up and dialed in.

    So did you work out the kinks
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  • nooshinjohn
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    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I have not played a cd since the TriangleArt got set up and dialed in.

    So did you work out the kinks

    The ClearAudio Titanium was the answer... and a much higher quality of LP. Clean records reward the senses with sound that is holographic and enveloping. I have a copy of Linda Ronstadt's What's New on MoFi, and the sound is simply stunning.
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  • tratliff
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    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I have not played a cd since the TriangleArt got set up and dialed in.

    So did you work out the kinks

    The ClearAudio Titanium was the answer... and a much higher quality of LP. Clean records reward the senses with sound that is holographic and enveloping. I have a copy of Linda Ronstadt's What's New on MoFi, and the sound is simply stunning.


    I have been amazed by Stevie Ray Vaughans "Couldn't Stand the Weather" since I picked it up a couple of weeks ago. I have had the CD and SACD for a couple of years but the LP is very dynamic and full bodied.

    Also an all time favorite on LP is Willie Nelsons "Stardust". Sound is fantastic.

    Thanks for the tip on Linda Ronstadts album. I have had my eye on it but have not picked it up yet.
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  • voltz
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    All the new Stevie Ray Vaughan pressed by GRP in Salina are top notch! especially the 45 RPM version's as is Linda's Simple Dream in 45 rpm....

    John I think that Linda's "What's New" 200 gm was pressed by GRP /analog productions also :)
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  • nooshinjohn
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    My copy is a Mofi
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  • voltz
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    my bad, I had the word new on my brain :) The brand New I got was from GRP...
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  • [Deleted User]
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    Montoya wrote: »
    No matter how good your CD player sounds it will never be as cool as a vinyl record. lol
    I'll have to bring over my Vitus SCD-025 Mk2 cdp, a handful of Stillpoints Ultra 6's + Ultra bases & some XRCD24's, SHM Platinum & DXD cd's and see if it becomes your new cool ;)...
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  • nooshinjohn
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    Bodhi wrote: »
    Montoya wrote: »
    No matter how good your CD player sounds it will never be as cool as a vinyl record. lol
    I'll have to bring over my Vitus SCD-025 Mk2 cdp, a handful of Stillpoints Ultra 6's + Ultra bases & some XRCD24's, SHM Platinum & DXD cd's and see if it becomes your new cool ;)...
    Picks please...
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  • [Deleted User]
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    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Picks please...
    What did you mean?

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  • mhardy6647
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  • txcoastal1
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    Bodhi wrote: »
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Picks please...
    What did you mean?

    B/C We like audioPorn
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  • nooshinjohn
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    Bodhi wrote: »
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Picks please...
    What did you mean?

    It means get out your iPhone and post some pictures... Sheeeesh :D
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  • nooshinjohn
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    Has anyone noticed the OP has abandoned this thread?
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  • motorhead43026
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    He stirred up some shite and bailed....lol.
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  • nooshinjohn
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    motorhead43026 wrote: »
    He stirred up some shite and bailed....lol.

    Typical troll behavior.(looks around nervously waiting for uncle Jesse to drop a well placed backhand) :D
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  • F1nut
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    Smack
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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