"But don't say that the sound is better"
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This is why we should load our CDs as files and throw away the CDs. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/do-hard-disk-drives-sound-better-than-cd-2/
A couple years ago I made the same observations and people thought I was off my nut. My "theory" was either reduced jitter, or removing the optical reading portion of the process present in cd players.
You may have been the one who got me to looking into it, back then. I do remember someone on the forum brought it up and I researched it with a digital fellow who could blow us all away with theory and he assumed any difference was in the amount of jitter.Vinyl, the final frontier...
Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want...
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soundfreak1 wrote: »Cfritzz is that an eskie???
It's supposed to be a white wolf, I found the picture online.
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Oh it looks just like an eskie I had once.Main Rig:
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“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Best dog I ever had.Main Rig:
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This is why we should load our CDs as files and throw away the CDs. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/do-hard-disk-drives-sound-better-than-cd-2/
A couple years ago I made the same observations and people thought I was off my nut. My "theory" was either reduced jitter, or removing the optical reading portion of the process present in cd players.
You may have been the one who got me to looking into it, back then. I do remember someone on the forum brought it up and I researched it with a digital fellow who could blow us all away with theory and he assumed any difference was in the amount of jitter.
My other theory was that reading bits from a HDD is done "magnetically" rather than reading physical pits that may or may not be cleanly rendered on the disc.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
To each his own, for me reading a book takes into account the book itself. I can't read a book off a phone or tablet. Much like the vinyl guys who say the experience involves the process too which adds something to the whole thing.HT SYSTEM-
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This is why we should load our CDs as files and throw away the CDs. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/do-hard-disk-drives-sound-better-than-cd-2/
A couple years ago I made the same observations and people thought I was off my nut. My "theory" was either reduced jitter, or removing the optical reading portion of the process present in cd players.
Jitter shouldn't be a problem with cd's, most players today have such low jitter well beyond what we can hear. However, jitter may play more a role, as you said, in other aspects of the musical presentation that we can distinguish.
Funny, because at first my observations were the opposite of yours. Digital however has made leaps and bounds from when it first came out and I think now it can indeed surpass a cdp and in some cases, a decent SACD.
It used to be, you had to pick one. Convenience or sound quality, you couldn't have both in the digital world. Now, you can....and fairly cheaply too. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
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Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
We have vinyl.
It is fun at times.
A pain at times.
It does not get me more involved in the music, but seems to draw more attention to "itself" and requires attention.
CD or files, I just get lost in the music.
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No matter how good your CD player sounds it will never be as cool as a vinyl record. lol
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New albums - CD or FLAC files. CD's immediately get ripped to FLAC. Music stored on a NAS.
Old recordings...I still have a record player primarily for playing old vinyl records. My dad gave me his collection recently and I had to get a record player to play the records. It's a shame not to play them. It's a bit of nostalgia since I grew up with him playing these tunes. So I will never abandon the format.
The other thing I like records for is the fact that it kind of forces me to listen to the record from start to finish. CD and digital records are too convenient to easily change tracks. But with a record I have to stop what I am doing, get up, and walk over to the player to do so. Some albums are great to hear start to finish.
Yes, the article is correct. But not everyone who listens to vinyl records does it for the sound.
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I have not played a cd since the TriangleArt got set up and dialed in.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
That's what happens when you go vinyl. Anaheim Hills CA,
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^^yep! Only play digital now when I'm either drunk as s*** or burning in a piece of equipment (lately crossovers).^^Post edited by Dawgfish on
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nooshinjohn wrote: »I have not played a cd since the TriangleArt got set up and dialed in.
So did you work out the kinks2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
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txcoastal1 wrote: »nooshinjohn wrote: »I have not played a cd since the TriangleArt got set up and dialed in.
So did you work out the kinks
The ClearAudio Titanium was the answer... and a much higher quality of LP. Clean records reward the senses with sound that is holographic and enveloping. I have a copy of Linda Ronstadt's What's New on MoFi, and the sound is simply stunning.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
nooshinjohn wrote: »txcoastal1 wrote: »nooshinjohn wrote: »I have not played a cd since the TriangleArt got set up and dialed in.
So did you work out the kinks
The ClearAudio Titanium was the answer... and a much higher quality of LP. Clean records reward the senses with sound that is holographic and enveloping. I have a copy of Linda Ronstadt's What's New on MoFi, and the sound is simply stunning.
I have been amazed by Stevie Ray Vaughans "Couldn't Stand the Weather" since I picked it up a couple of weeks ago. I have had the CD and SACD for a couple of years but the LP is very dynamic and full bodied.
Also an all time favorite on LP is Willie Nelsons "Stardust". Sound is fantastic.
Thanks for the tip on Linda Ronstadts album. I have had my eye on it but have not picked it up yet.
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All the new Stevie Ray Vaughan pressed by GRP in Salina are top notch! especially the 45 RPM version's as is Linda's Simple Dream in 45 rpm....
John I think that Linda's "What's New" 200 gm was pressed by GRP /analog productions also
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My copy is a MofiThe Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
my bad, I had the word new on my brain The brand New I got was from GRP... 2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge
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I'll have to bring over my Vitus SCD-025 Mk2 cdp, a handful of Stillpoints Ultra 6's + Ultra bases & some XRCD24's, SHM Platinum & DXD cd's and see if it becomes your new coolNo matter how good your CD player sounds it will never be as cool as a vinyl record. lol...
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Picks please...
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“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
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What did you mean?nooshinjohn wrote: »Picks please...
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What did you mean?nooshinjohn wrote: »Picks please...
It means get out your iPhone and post some pictures... Sheeeesh The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Has anyone noticed the OP has abandoned this thread?The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
He stirred up some shite and bailed....lol.The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
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motorhead43026 wrote: »He stirred up some shite and bailed....lol.
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