Let me have it....tell me I'm crazy....but I use Romex 12/2 for speaker cable
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You don't have to spend $900 on power cables to be able to hear a difference. I've had success with Pangea cords which are probably the most economical starter cable. I use one on my Blu-ray player and one in my AVR. I could not understand how a power cable could make a difference because I thought of it as a unit is either getting the power or isnt, thinking nothing else mattered. I suspect results will vary depending on how much noise is in each person's lines.
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You say it (the UPS) is "only slightly better than what comes out of the outlet". But yet you do not believe "the last three feet make a difference"? Please explain....--Gary--
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think Bluefox nailed it!
I am glad I tried new & better cables as I've almost found my perfect sound (so to speak) by changing things up now &t then, but sometimes new & more expensive cable will disappoint you also, as sometimes they can really show whats wrong with your set-up. as Tony like to say "Synergy is a harsh Mistress!
well that's not how he says it
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Nothing wrong with questioning, what you lack is "doing". Much of this comes by experience, without it everything remains an unanswered question or simple opinion.HT SYSTEM-
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yea get 1/8" plastic tubing fill with water then use copper spades with tight fitting rubber stoppers at the ends
Has anyone ever tried water to connect speakers???
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wow I type slow LOL, by the time I posted there was 5 other responses 2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge
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Enjoy your tests. Reference this
I'm done with your bantering for the sake of bantering.
Thanks for the link. In the tests the 'most favorite' wire also had the highest pF rating while the 'least favorite' wire had the lowest pF rating. Exactly what I would expect.
The differences of opinion are not statistically relevant as the differences are too close to the margin of error for the study.
In the end what matters is "does it make you happier?" Can we at least agree on that?- Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.
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Apexpro, here is another difference in speaker cables that hasn't been mentioned. A lot of times, I like to listen to music at low volume levels as background music while I'm on the internet. I had complained how bad my speakers sounded at low volume. They sounded extremely flat and lackluster. When I bought the cables I use now, the first thing I noticed was how much better the music sounded at those lower volume levels. That might not matter to most, but for my listening habits, it was a great surprise that I never expected.
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That might not matter to most, but for my listening habits, it was a great surprise that I never expected.
Despite what some would believe I am opened minded about this and will be listening at low, med, and high levels. I have WPCI (Google it) in the background when I'm working on projects - so it would tickle me to no end to find cables that improve the clarity and depth at low levels.- Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.
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World Ports Climate Initiative?
Edit: Wireless Personal Communication, Inc...yeah, that makes much more sense. I'm an idiot. -
Case in point, William has gone and flagged all of my posts in this thread...how's that for empirical data supporting the troll theory. LOL What a lifeless tool."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Case in point, William has gone and flagged all of my posts in this thread...how's that for empirical data supporting the troll theory. LOL What a lifeless tool.
All of your posts? I flagged one of your posts for abuse, after you flagged mine, none are flagged as spam. Can't you be honest about anything?
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You are a knowledgeable asset to this community and have a vast wealth of knowledge to offer.
Guess you're right...I can't."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
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yes that is really what matters. I too have tried several brands of wire. I too found some that I didn't like. Have I spent 4figures?....no. But I have tried and found some difference's. If I had better equipment (higher dollar) I would try higher dollar wire as I would expect to hear better results for better gear. But you never know unless you try.
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I too was like you Apexpro..
Then I grew up..literally in the narrow minded department, shown the way by the Great members here at CP...
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I too was like you Apexpro..
Then I grew up..
Why does this have to include personal insults? I thought we were all adults, if I want to be insulted I'll post in front of a bunch of pre-teens on Reddit. lol- Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.
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World Ports Climate Initiative?
Edit: Wireless Personal Communication, Inc...yeah, that makes much more sense. I'm an idiot.
WPCI are radio call letters, "Radio Randy" as we locals call it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPCI- Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.
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I'm going to address a few things from the trial I referenced above:
Excellent analysis of the study. That's the kind of thought/criticism I came here to find. Thank-you.- Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.
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.. if I want to be insulted I'll post in front of a bunch of pre-teens on Reddit. lol
You are on the new Polk pre-teen forum.
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And don't forget these venues are built to budget using the lowest bid contractor and do you really think expensive wiring was even discussed..?Not movie theaters - theater theaters. The Peace Center for one...a $65million performing arts center. http://www.peacecenter.org/about-us
Sorry, I still would have laughed at him.
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I just typed a long paragraph and accidentally tapped on the page number using my tablet and lost everything I had typed. I guess this new forum doesn't auto save what you type. Grrr.
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World Ports Climate Initiative?
Edit: Wireless Personal Communication, Inc...yeah, that makes much more sense. I'm an idiot.
WPCI are radio call letters, "Radio Randy" as we locals call it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPCI
I thought you were talking about one of those intercom communication systems. So this radio station is sort of like commercial free satellite radio, but on AM? I have to be honest, I'm not sure better cables are going to make a difference listening to AM radio. So all the music is from Randy's personal collection? Does he have good taste?
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I just typed a long paragraph and accidentally tapped on the page number using my tablet and lost everything I had typed. I guess this new forum doesn't auto save what you type. Grrr.
Yet some thing this format is technically superior.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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$900 power cables baffle me too. All the power wire coming into the house is Romex...how can the last three feet make a difference?
You're looking at it all wrong. Think of it as the first 3 feet.I use a big-a** UPS as a power conditioner and surge protection, but it's only slightly better than what comes out of the outlet - which is Romex.
UPS units are not build for audio, but the fact that it helps should tell you something.If you haven't guessed by now I question everything....because that's what I was taught growing up in the '60s and 70s. LOL
A lot of us grew up in that time frame as well. I was taught to try it for myself and to think outside the box.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I don't see that Jamie insulted you, not at all. He was reminded of himself when he was where you're at. I wouldn't be surprised if you said the same to someone down the road.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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^^ bingo....ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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There is enough posts here to sway you to try out good cables, and looking at your posts it's clear you have no desire to try them, so how bout you quit trolling the cable debate and move on..Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎
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- Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.
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So all the music is from Randy's personal collection? Does he have good taste?
His tastes cover every genre of music I can imagine. Just heard Get Behind the Mule - John Hammond, followed by Lover Man - Lady Day, followed by Dublin Blues - Guy Clark.
There's a fair amount I don't recognize - the only downside is there's no song/artist announcement. But the upsides out-weigh the downside. It's AM stereo but I don't have an AM stereo tuner
But for AM mono reception the signal is strong and the quality is the best AM I've ever head. - Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.
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