Let me have it....tell me I'm crazy....but I use Romex 12/2 for speaker cable

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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited August 2014
    I sensed a "tremor in the force" when I logged into Club Polk tonight. This was not the first thread I went to, but as soon as I saw it, the tremor was confirmed.

    This is a classic "bait and bail" exhibition of behavior. That is, the OP starts an argument and lets others "fight to the finish" (the finish usually being the closing of the thread). Terrible, infantile, and frivolous behavior. Please take it someplace else OP.
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    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited August 2014
    headrott wrote: »
    I sensed a "tremor in the force" when I logged into Club Polk tonight. This was not the first thread I went to, but as soon as I saw it, the tremor was confirmed.

    This is a classic "bait and bail" exhibition of behavior. That is, the OP starts an argument and lets others "fight to the finish" (the finish usually being the closing of the thread). Terrible, infantile, and frivolous behavior. Please take it someplace else OP.

    Yep but many of us here are properly schooled so he failed in starting some crap.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2014
    Speaking of cables, I am thinking of selling a Shunyata Python AES digital cable since I just upgraded to an Anaconda. The Python is .75 meters in length, and after rearranging I needed a few more inches, so I bought a 1 meter Anaconda. Granted, Romex would probably work, but I suspect the Python is a bit better.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited August 2014
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Granted, Romex would probably work, but I suspect the Python is a bit better.

    So Bud, ya got any empirical evidence? :wink:
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2014
    No empirical evidence. Just a gut feeling. That isn't very scientific is it? :smile:
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    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 4,271
    edited August 2014
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I needed a few more inches, so I bought a 1 meter Anaconda.

    That's what she said!
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,981
    edited August 2014
    Oh goody....another cable baiter thread. Stop the fun.....
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  • Msabot1
    Msabot1 Posts: 2,098
    edited August 2014
    Romex for audio connections? Never tried that....might have to conduct an experiment later....when pigs fly!! The coat hanger connection sounds interesting too.....I'll record all the performance data....and pass it on...lmao!
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  • fluffy
    fluffy Posts: 71
    edited August 2014
    HOLY crap!! this fread blossomed quickly!! these are like "what is the best oil for the m3" on m3forum!!
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  • OleBoot
    OleBoot Posts: 2,774
    edited August 2014
    fluffy wrote: »
    HOLY crap!! this fread blossomed quickly!! these are like "what is the best oil for the m3" on m3forum!!

    So what oil did you recommend in the M3 thread? Canola?
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,124
    edited August 2014
    Wow I got a big ol box of orange jacket Romex left over when we wired the garage, to think I could of saved money on the Mit, Audioquest, and signal cables, I will have to try that Romex out!!!

    Yeah right but would be more than happy to sell that box of Romex to the OP if interested :o
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited August 2014
    Why even bother with cables. Beam your currently directly to your equipment using Tesla coil technology!

    Copper, silver, twisted pair, insulated? Pffft. Tesla! But do make sure that you are properly GROUNDED!

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,604
    edited August 2014
    This is an extremely strange thread guys! PFB posts that make sense? wtf?!?
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2014
    Hermitism wrote: »
    That's what she said!

    LOL. :lol:
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • Apexpro
    Apexpro Posts: 97
    edited August 2014
    Keiko wrote: »
    Apex, high end audio gear. Imagine that.

    Actually Apexpro is short for my business name - Apex Professionals. Started life as a Porsche performance shop - apex being the apex of a turn on the race track.

    Ok, so I'm not trolling any longer, I've read all the posts, I'm not mad, I am curious, and I think I'll try a pair of T14 silver wires an older gentleman (I'm 55) has for sale for $100 - 8 ft each. Decent price?
    - Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.

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  • Msabot1
    Msabot1 Posts: 2,098
    edited August 2014
    Hey man..that's cool..a buddy owns a Targa....it's a hoot...great car...no offence...but why would you use Romex for audio connections?.....that stuff is designed for wall cavities and rafters...I've never tried using it for that application....
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  • Apexpro
    Apexpro Posts: 97
    edited August 2014
    Msabot1 wrote: »
    Hey man..that's cool..a buddy owns a Targa....it's a hoot...great car...no offence...but why would you use Romex for audio connections?.....that stuff is designed for wall cavities and rafters...I've never tried using it for that application....

    It's solid 12ga. annealed copper. Someone much smarter than I told me it's used in the best theaters for long pulls. Back in the 80s when I had Monster cable I couldn't tell a difference with my ears. It doesn't *not* work. :)

    But I'm willing to try another side by side test. It's been almost 30 years since the last.

    And yeah, 911s are the most fun you can have without a fire suit. Still love the air-cooled variety. Nothing against the new ones, expect the obscene weight.
    - Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.

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  • kevon27
    kevon27 Posts: 18
    edited August 2014
    Forget all you cable people.. I use wireless.. WISA.. No cables = superior sound..
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  • kevon27
    kevon27 Posts: 18
    edited August 2014
    Has anyone ever tried water to connect speakers???
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited August 2014
    Apexpro wrote: »

    And yeah, 911s are the most fun you can have without a fire suit. Still love the air-cooled variety. Nothing against the new ones, expect the obscene weight.

    When I get rid of my 986 I am buying a 911. Unless you have a spare one you wana trade for my MIT speaker cables.
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  • Apexpro
    Apexpro Posts: 97
    edited August 2014
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    When I get rid of my 986 I am buying a 911. Unless you have a spare one you wana trade for my MIT speaker cables.

    LOL...great post. Love it. I can still find you an SC for a fair price, the earlier model cars are insanely priced. If I'd kept every one we'd taken in on trade I'd be retired now. I actually sold the business years ago after an accident made it difficult for me to stay on my feet. (Accident had nothing to do with cars or bikes). It's ProTech Motorsports. Still the best Porsche shop this side of Andial.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited August 2014
    Someone much smarter than I told me it's used in the best theaters for long pulls.

    I would have laughed at him. Movie theaters are not known for high fidelity stereo music reproduction.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited August 2014
    You should be able to detect a huge difference between copper and silver. Silver should sound much more revealing, but to my ears it was way too bright. I bought silver interconnects thinking they should be better, since they were more expensive. Ended up hating the sound, and Frank at Signal Cable was more than cool about it when he let me send them back for a full refund. That in and of itself should prove to you that cables do differ in sound.
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  • Apexpro
    Apexpro Posts: 97
    edited August 2014
    F1nut wrote: »
    I would have laughed at him. Movie theaters are not known for high fidelity stereo music reproduction.

    Not movie theaters - theater theaters. The Peace Center for one...a $65million performing arts center. http://www.peacecenter.org/about-us
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  • Apexpro
    Apexpro Posts: 97
    edited August 2014
    nspindel wrote: »
    You should be able to detect a huge difference between copper and silver. Silver should sound much more revealing, but to my ears it was way too bright. I bought silver interconnects thinking they should be better, since they were more expensive. Ended up hating the sound, and Frank at Signal Cable was more than cool about it when he let me send them back for a full refund. That in and of itself should prove to you that cables do differ in sound.

    Okay. I believe you. Can I get decent cables for less than $10 a foot? I'll audition them on the smaller system bcos the pull is only 6-8 feet per. The main system will require close to 80 feet (two amps, three sets of speakers - Double Advents and 1Cs. (I am assuming the cables need to be same length.)
    - Please don't clean up my mess. You'll only confuse me.

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited August 2014
    I prefer silver and when done right they really do sound great, you wont get silver cables done right for that price. There is a member on here called helicopterpilotdoug who started his own website and can custom make you what you want for a very reasonable price. Perhaps some one know the add and can link it for you to take a look.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,303
    edited August 2014
    oops double post
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,303
    edited August 2014
    http://www.douglasconnection.com/

    Doug is a great guy. Straight shooter no BS with quality cables. I had a lot of fun hanging with him at the Lone Star Audio Fest

    Cheers guys

    He is helipilotdoug on the forum if you want to send a PM or search threads
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  • Apexpro
    Apexpro Posts: 97
    edited August 2014
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    http://www.douglasconnection.com/

    Doug is a great guy. Straight shooter no BS with quality cables. I had a lot of fun hanging with him at the Lone Star Audio Fest

    Cheers guys

    He is helipilotdoug on the forum if you want to send a PM or search threads

    I've made an offer to the gentleman with the T-14s (2x8ft for $100). He needs to free up some cash to pay for the commemorative MC275 he just purchased. He'll be selling a boat load of wires to pay for that beautiful lump.

    But I'll remember Doug or Larry for future purchases. Assuming me ears can tell a difference ....lol ;-}
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited August 2014
    Apexpro wrote: »
    Not movie theaters - theater theaters. The Peace Center for one...a $65million performing arts center. http://www.peacecenter.org/about-us

    Sorry, I still would have laughed at him.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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