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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    I'm sure everyone cheats if they can get away with it. Evidently the Patriots aren't very good at it! LOL
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  • ken brydson
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3D2gsPUR0
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  • drselect
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    edited January 2015
    Ga*-Lussac's law

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  • gce
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    LMAO...Inflate-a- Ball! :D
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  • tonyb
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    gce wrote: »
    I'm sure everyone cheats if they can get away with it. Evidently the Patriots aren't very good at it! LOL

    LOL...YEP, I would guess that most teams "bend the rules" to some degree. Getting caught however is another story. The Pats being under the microscope you'd think they'd be better at covering up their tracks.

    Doesn't make it right though, and some form of punishment should be handed out. If they happen to win the big game, and I think they will, we are then forced to celebrate cheaters. What does that do for the NFL's rep. ?

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,593
    edited January 2015
    Interesting that it appears the Ravens may have tipped us off to that.... which means its NOT the first time its been done by the Pats..... ergo removing the likelyhood of it being due to being cold/equipment fluke, etc...

    Again by no means do I think the Colts would have won, but we will never know. Apparently the ref's pulled the balls in question at halftime and put in the other 12 the home team is required to provide for the second half...... And "somehow" those balls were checked and found to have the right pressure....

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  • pongshi
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    I have a feeling the equipment guy is going to be the fall guy, but I would check his bank account a few months from now. :)
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  • teekay0007
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    EndersShadow wrote: »
    Interesting that it appears the Ravens may have tipped us off to that.... which means its NOT the first time its been done by the Pats..... ergo removing the likelyhood of it being due to being cold/equipment fluke, etc...

    Again by no means do I think the Colts would have won, but we will never know.

    You're right, Dan, but I don't think it should matter if the Colts could have won or not. I think what's at issue here is INTENT. If the Patriots did it to gain competitive advantage, they should be penalized severely (eg. draft pick and $$). That way, I don't think this will happen again.
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  • EndersShadow
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    teekay0007 wrote: »
    You're right, Dan, but I don't think it should matter if the Colts could have won or not. I think what's at issue here is INTENT. If the Patriots did it to gain competitive advantage, they should be penalized severely (eg. draft pick and $$). That way, I don't think this will happen again.

    Oh I agree, I am not however saying that it DID change the outcome of the game... Could it have... maybe, momentum is weird and not something you can calculate by any means...

    Eitherway I agree, the intent is the problem...

    As a Brady Hater/Colts Fan, I have this mental image of "evil Brady" with a needle in his hand deflating the ball each time they get a new one lol... Not likely given they all were 2 lbs deflated and no ones that good on the fly...

    but its my mental image anyway lol...

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  • dromunds
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    They were fined a ton and a draft pick before and it did no good.
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  • gce
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    They changed the balls at Half Time. The 2nd half score was Pat's 28 / Colts 0. So The balls had nothing to do with momentum or the outcome of the game.
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  • EndersShadow
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    gce wrote: »
    They changed the balls at Half Time. The 2nd half score was Pat's 28 / Colts 0. So The balls had nothing to do with momentum or the outcome of the game.
    I think the "balls" had Everything to do with momentum lol... think like a dirty old man hehehe...

    But it may not have, but a team that down in the first half may not rally that well v a team thats tied or close..

    Again just speculating out loud. They may have lost anyway, but we will never know definitively one way or the other as you could argue it either way.
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  • gce
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    17-7 at halftime in the AFC championship game. I would think they still though they could win. But yeah, I know where you're coming from, If this had happened to The Boy's I'd be pissed too!
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  • ken brydson
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    Gotta add some levity to this conversation. These are always hysterical...

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  • gce
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    Oh Man, somebody's got a lot of time on there hands! LOL
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,772
    gce wrote: »
    Oh Man, somebody's got a lot of time on there hands! LOL

    They've done it the last few years. Always hilarious...

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  • Moose68Bash
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    I don't think the "ball boy" will make a very good fall guy.

    Who would believe that -- without instructions from "above" -- the poor guy would under inflate the footballs?
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  • kevhed72
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    Aren't these all just allegations and speculation, based on info from unnamed sources at this point?
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  • EndersShadow
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    kevhed72 wrote: »
    Aren't these all just allegations and speculation, based on info from unnamed sources at this point?


    The NFL confirmed the balls were under inflated two days ago. Beyond that it's under investigation.
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  • gdb
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    Belichick is lettin' Brady take the full brunt for this .

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/bill-belichick-deflate-tom-brady-cheat-super-bowl-press-conference
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  • seabeerob213
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    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    seabeerob213 wrote: »
    gce wrote: »
    I don't get why everyone has all this praise for Luck. I just don't get how he's going to be this next great QB.

    Cause Wilson will be, go hawks
    Oh I'd take Luck over Wilson, and I think Wilson is a very good quarterback. However, Wilson is a HUGE beneficiary of a spectacular defense. You replace that Seattle defense yesterday with even just a very good defense and they lose the game by double digits.

    I give Wilson credit because he does still have to make that throw yesterday for them to win, but I don't think he's a 'great' QB. He's a very good quarterback on a GREAT team. Don't get me wrong, that team still needs and benefits from him, but Seattle makes the playoffs without him, how far they go is debatable.

    Luck is a 'great' QB on a terrible team. He makes bad plays, but that happens when you have zero running game, a bad offensive line and a defense that isn't very good, you have to make a lot of play for your team to even have a chance and when you're constantly having to do that bad **** sometimes happens. You take him off that team and Indy has maybe four wins. Remember the year Peyton was injured, there's a reason the Colts had the #1 pick in the draft :smiley:

    Wilson is darn near half of the Hawk's run game.

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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,772
    edited January 2015
    seabeerob213 wrote: »
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    seabeerob213 wrote: »
    gce wrote: »
    I don't get why everyone has all this praise for Luck. I just don't get how he's going to be this next great QB.

    Cause Wilson will be, go hawks
    Oh I'd take Luck over Wilson, and I think Wilson is a very good quarterback. However, Wilson is a HUGE beneficiary of a spectacular defense. You replace that Seattle defense yesterday with even just a very good defense and they lose the game by double digits.

    I give Wilson credit because he does still have to make that throw yesterday for them to win, but I don't think he's a 'great' QB. He's a very good quarterback on a GREAT team. Don't get me wrong, that team still needs and benefits from him, but Seattle makes the playoffs without him, how far they go is debatable.

    Luck is a 'great' QB on a terrible team. He makes bad plays, but that happens when you have zero running game, a bad offensive line and a defense that isn't very good, you have to make a lot of play for your team to even have a chance and when you're constantly having to do that bad **** sometimes happens. You take him off that team and Indy has maybe four wins. Remember the year Peyton was injured, there's a reason the Colts had the #1 pick in the draft :smiley:

    Wilson is darn near half of the Hawk's run game.

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  • jeremymarcinko
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    It was so great when the Colts gave us their first round pick for T. Richardson...what a bust that guy has been.
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  • bikezappa
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    Deflated Football Data
    Let’s use some science to determine what may have happened to the footballs
    • Leak detection?
    Check with soapy water to determine if the footballs have small leaks. Using soapy water will show if there are any leaks. This is how we fixed leaks in bike tires. A leaky football could explain the pressure difference. Possible they had a bad set of leaky footballs.
    • Pressure gauge?
    Check the Pat’s football inflating equipment especially the pressure gauges. These gauges like the ones used on bike pumps can easily get out of calibration. Does the gauge read zero before use? Test and compare the pump pressure with a second new gauge.
    • Gas type in football?
    Use a RGA, residual gas analyzer, to determine what gases were used to pressurize the footballs. If Helium or Hydrogen are used these gases would leak or diffuse through the football membrane faster. The RGA will show what gases are used to inflate the football. Footballs filled with Helium or Hydrogen would be a little lighter but leak faster.
    The NFL commission clearly has the money to do this.
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  • dromunds
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    The NFL Commissioner needs to go in addition to punitive sanctions
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  • tonyb
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    I've come to the conclusion that Polk Audio is a Patriots fan. After experiencing this new forum, they both seem to play with deflated balls.
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  • bikezappa
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    This topic maybe a red herring. If you do the calculations based on the gas laws, PV=nrT and know the temperature/pressure of the football when pumped and the temperature during the game, 51F I think, you can get close to a 2psi difference in pressure change. Also I have worked with PSI pressure gauges at work for 40 years and they are not very accurate at low PSI pressures under 30psi. These gauges have a +/- 1psi accuracy.
    What's this all about then?
    Publicity?
    The other team may have pumped the footballs at a much lower temperature. Need to know first pump pressure and temperature.
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited January 2015
    I haven't been following every single detail of this case, but it seems like after the Seahawk's player intercepted the pass , didn't he immediately notice the ball was slightly deflated and walked off the field with it? What about questioning the center for the Patriots who was handling the ball(s) also.
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    Don't know if this was mentioned before or not, but if I was married to Giselle I would have deflated balls too...
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    bikezappa wrote: »
    This topic maybe a red herring. If you do the calculations based on the gas laws, PV=nrT and know the temperature/pressure of the football when pumped and the temperature during the game, 51F I think, you can get close to a 2psi difference in pressure change. Also I have worked with PSI pressure gauges at work for 40 years and they are not very accurate at low PSI pressures under 30psi. These gauges have a +/- 1psi accuracy.
    What's this all about then?
    Publicity?
    The other team may have pumped the footballs at a much lower temperature. Need to know first pump pressure and temperature.

    Like I said Ga*-Lussac's law (P1/T1 = P2/T2) were * is a y but thanks to pc you cant use someones proper name any more.
    They could have partly addressed this if they would have checked the Colts football at the same time which I have not heard if they did or not. And if they didn't why didn't they.
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