2014 FIFA World Cup

AsSiMiLaTeD

ViperZ wrote: »

If you care to read the rules, you'd understand how extra time is calculated based on number of injuries, number of subs, etc. Basic rule of football is that the attack does not stop when the clock stops ticking - ref lets the attack finish before blowing the whistle.

That time isn't 'calculated', if it were you wouldn't always have an exact number of minutes of time being added, you'd have times like 4:19 and 5:47 instead of it always being 4:00 or 5:00 on the nose. It may be based on a calculation but it's not an exact science.

Just because something is 'in the rules' doesn't make it right either. I can add a new rule where the team losing at the end of the match get a free shot on goal for every point that they're down, doesn't make any sense though.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but you take the flop out and have a set clock and I'll watch a lot more soccer.

gumbay13

Hyped for Mexico v Croatia!
I am expecting fireworks!

Not easy picking between the two in an evenly matched context.

Cant wait.

Love the Beautiful Game!

Hopefully it is not marred by referring controversy.

ViperZ

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

That time isn't 'calculated', if it were you wouldn't always have an exact number of minutes of time being added, you'd have times like 4:19 and 5:47 instead of it always being 4:00 or 5:00 on the nose. It may be based on a calculation but it's not an exact science.

Just because something is 'in the rules' doesn't make it right either. I can add a new rule where the team losing at the end of the match get a free shot on goal for every point that they're down, doesn't make any sense though.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but you take the flop out and have a set clock and I'll watch a lot more soccer.

So what exactly are you complaining about? You don't like some game rules, so you don't watch the game? I don't know half the rules in American football and baseball, so I don't watch those either.

pglbook

What a disappointing ending to an otherwise great game played by the US against Portugal last night. The US completely dominated play and should have won that game. How the heck do they allow Portugal to score with 15 seconds left in extra time? Just unbelievable. I know there are a lot of players to blame on that play but, imho, Bradley takes most of the blame for losing the ball at midfield. All he had to do was kick the ball forward or to the sidelines and the US wins that game. Prior to the World Cup, he was touted as the best player on the team. But he has had a horrible 2 games so far.

jflail2

Bottom line on time, the referee is the only person with the exact game time. Everything is decided by his clock/whistle. He stops and restarts the clock to best reflect the time spent not playing due to an injury, idiot running on the field, etc. So while the guy on the sideline might hold up a board showing 5 minutes of extra time, the ref may have 4:52 of extra time, or 5:27 or whatever.

And BRADLEY. Shame, shame, shame on you. Agreed 100% pgl, the game was in the bag at that point. So much for that whole "we don't need Donovan" theory....

gumbay13

Ditto on Bradley.

I am yet to be impressed by him. Who anointed him the "best" player on the US team?
He really has to up his game in the crucial match against Germany.

In any case, the game is not over until the fat lady sings. Edge of seat stuff!
The US has been very impressive thus far in one if the most difficult groups in the tournament.

Waiting to see how the game against Germany, a game in which both teams advance with a draw, pans out.

Hey Klinsmann, how about calling your former assistant ( current German coach) and tell him to tell his troupes to pull their punches!!

Nah. The US can handle itself.

Landon who?

gumbay13

ViperZ wrote: »

So what exactly are you complaining about? You don't like some game rules, so you don't watch the game? I don't know half the rules in American football and baseball, so I don't watch those either.

It had me scratching my head as well as well.

As the saying goes its MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

But to each his own

Back to watching some more football!!

AsSiMiLaTeD

It's not that hard to figure out guys, I thought I was pretty clear about what I didn't like - flops and clock management. It's really simple I had an opinion and stated it, don't act all shocked and confused. Don't tell me you've been soccer fans your whole lives and have never heard people **** about those two things...because nobody will believe you.

Another thing I don't particularly care for with soccer are the soccer snobs. I've got a few of them I work with and if I hear "Dude don't even talk soccer to us you're not even a real fan if you only watch during the world cup" one more time...

I don't take that attitude with the millions of people who ONLY watch the Super Bowl each year, why should soccer be any different?

bernardo

Now, that's more like it A soccer thread should be like a cable thread....

gumbay13

bernardo wrote: »

Now, that's more like it A soccer thread should be like a cable thread....

That is always the natural order of things.
Anything less and the thread will be boring!

Mexico is looking strooong!

bernardo

I would like to weigh in a couple of things that have been said... just to continue the friendly discussion

- I do not like players that fake injuries, faults, etc.
- I do not like players/teams that waste time to take advantage (or try to take advantage by any means. That includes goals scred illegally on purpose)
- The extra time to play lies with the ref, in fact if he "forgets" to look at his watch and you play even beyond the announced extra minutes, then a goal in those extra ones stand!
- Everybody knows how much extra will be played (I remember when time extra lied with the ref who did not inform how much that was and there was no sign for all the world to see!), they are all in equal position, and not only it can go both ways, every team will find itself either winning or losing at different occasions, so it averages out. Had it been the other way around, Americans would be happy and Portuguese would be .. well let's just say "not happy"
- I don't know if 5 was too much or too little, however, sometimes I feel that it is always too little when I see stats of how much actual playing time there was.

To the second US goal, I don't think it was off like mentioned above, the TV showed the frozen image of the pass beign made and the US player on side.

I am really suprised with the performance of several "underdog" teams and some not so "underdog" anymore! This may be the year somebody new goes all the way, although I expect "traditional" canditates to the trophy to become stronger in the next phase. Little dissapointed by with these "traditional" teams have shown so far.

Just my 2c

ViperZ

bernardo, it's the 4th ref (on the sidelines) who keeps track of the clock, so it should be fairly precise, as it's one of his main things to do. Obviously, when he tells the head ref that players wasted 5:32 on the pitch, head ref will add 6 minutes plus whatever extra time they wasted in the injury time.

And for players who fake injuries to get penalty or waste time, and then jump up two minutes later like nothing happened - those should be suspended post-game. Such players are ruining this beautiful game.

gumbay13

^^^
I believe they get a yellow in the EPL.

I saw the Chileans in their game against Holland yesterday do more than their fair share of falling in the penalty box trying draw a penalty. Fortunately the ref did not fall for it.

It was good to see the better team triumph.

ViperZ

gumbay13 wrote: »

^^^
I believe they get a yellow in the EPL.

I saw the Chileans in their game against Holland yesterday do more than their fair share of falling in the penalty box trying draw a penalty. Fortunately the ref did not fall for it.

It was good to see the better team triumph.

Yes, in any league player that got caught simulating in the box gets a yellow. But IMHO, these players should be punished (red/suspsension) after the game following the episode review. Episodes like this make or break games in most cases, so it would only be fair to punish fakers accordingly.

bernardo

The fourth ref might be telling the main ref how much more to play, but it is up to the main ref to indicate the end of the game. I've seen refs ending it sooner and also later, due to time wasted during the extra or for no apparent reason at all

ZLTFUL

Oh Look...another Suarez biting incident. When are they going to squash this ****? And I am even a LFC fan.

gumbay13

I'll be shocked and appalled if he does not get banned. He may have played in his last game in this tournament. Such a shame.

ViperZ

The guy is a brilliant player, but it looks like he is mentally unstable.

gumbay13

Wrong place for that mental instability to manifest itself. Not that there is any good place for it!
I hope FIFA does not pull any punches on this one.


Here is hoping the US can join the SWEET 16!

[Deleted User]

I personally felt the 2010 U.S. team was superior to this years. If U.S. gets into round of 16, it is all circumstantial, as Germany is simply leagues beyond. Defense, Offense, Passing, name it.

Halen

DMara

halenhoang wrote: »

I personally felt the 2010 U.S. team was superior to this years. If U.S. gets into round of 16, it is all circumstantial, as Germany is simply leagues beyond. Defense, Offense, Passing, name it.

Halen

Maybe so, but tactically this year's team has been way better.
The Germans are no slouch, but their defense is suspicious. They let Sweden, their top opponent during the World Cup's European qualification round, score 7 goals in 2 games. And they allowed Ghana to score 2 on them in a game they almost lost. They have been enduring too many injuries this year.

gumbay13

The Germans have always been and will always be a tough nut to crack.

The world is full of talented players that can breach any defense including the Germans'.
The Ghana game was a good example. The team is full of world class marksmen. They took the game to the Germans.

The Germans did not allow Ghana to score 2 on them. The Ghanians scored 2 goals on them and were good value for those goals.
It could very well have been 3 -1 in favor of the Ghanians at one point had it not been for a moment of selfish play by Ayew electing to score from an impossible angle instead of passing the ball to the waiting and salivating Gyan!

They paid the price a few minutes later when the ultimate goal poacher, Klose was sent in to rescue the Germans and he did so in style!

gumbay13

In a tournament full of surprises so far, can the US spring a surprise against the favored Germans?

Will Michael Bradley be in the starting line up and if he is will he SHOW UP?
Thomas Muller , Mesut Ozil please DO NOT show up

Will Rolando finally show up and do a number on the Ghanians (apparently having some internal issues prior to the game), thus helping the cause of the Americans?


I guess all i want to know is will the US make it out of the GROUP OF DEATH!!!!

Christiano Ronaldo, HELP PLEASE!!!

gumbay13

Its showtime!!!!!

Which 2 teams will be moving ON and which two will be going HOME???

My money is on......the SOCCER GODS!

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/world-cup-group-of-death-living-to-its-name-on-final-matchday-062514


http://www.fifa.com/index.html

gumbay13

Thanks RONALDO!!!

Now on to the SWEET 16!
Who would have thought at the start of the tournament that the US would make it out of this group? The did.
I win, 1 draw and 1 loss. Not shabby at all.

Mission accomplished.
Anything from here on is gravy.

shawn474

This game really highlighted how important altidore is to this team - dempsey looked lost, couldn't hold possession and playing with one striker is leaving the US midfield exposed. Hopefully he can rest up and play next game or Klinsmann can pull out some magic to help dempsey up top.

gumbay13

The U.S. is in the Round of 16. Now what?

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/us-round-of-16-world-cup

[Deleted User]

DMara wrote: »

Maybe so, but tactically this year's team has been way better.
The Germans are no slouch, but their defense is suspicious. They let Sweden, their top opponent during the World Cup's European qualification round, score 7 goals in 2 games. And they allowed Ghana to score 2 on them in a game they almost lost. They have been enduring too many injuries this year.

Kudos! Germany relied on no one but themselves to move on.....At the end of the day, it is still " GO USA " for me. But truth still speaks and has its say.

Cheers!

Halen

pglbook

My two teams - USA and Mexico - are still in it.
Can you imagine the craziness if USA and Mexico meet in this World Cup? El Tri vs the Yanks!
I think it would happen if (a big"if") each team wins its next 2 games. Then they'd meet in the quarter-finals.
I know it sounds crazy but not nearly as crazy as it would have sounded prior to the start of the World Cup.
Both Mexico and the USA are playing very well.

This has been one heck of a World Cup.
And US soccer and FIFA are already big winners no matter what happens the rest of the way.

gumbay13

pglbook wrote: »

My two teams - USA and Mexico - are still in it.
Can you imagine the craziness if USA and Mexico meet in this World Cup? El Tri vs the Yanks!
I think it would happen if (a big"if") each team wins its next 2 games. Then they'd meet in the quarter-finals.
I know it sounds crazy but not nearly as crazy as it would have sounded prior to the start of the World Cup.
Both Mexico and the USA are playing very well.

This has been one heck of a World Cup.
And US soccer and FIFA are already big winners no matter what happens the rest of the way.

You just hit the nail on the head with all your points.

Mexico has just been OUTSTANDING!

They not only beat the Croats, a team that gave Brazil fits, they beat them up like they stole something.
Had it been a boxing match , the ref would have stopped the contest to save the Croats from further punishment!

I just cannot imagine the craziness and tension if the USA and Mexico were to meet. That would really be special.

Thus far, Klinsmann has been the goods.