My used separates nightmare (or how I went Emo)
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Damn not again..
No responses for almost 12hrs, lol
Tubes may rule but once all the old timers relinquish their audio torches Tubes will be Gone Forever.
Me thinks the old timers feel threatened by Emo, which fuels all their hatred..
I say Grey hair go in Peace and leave Emo alone..ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Damn not again..
No responses for almost 12hrs, lol
Tubes may rule but once all the old timers relinquish their audio torches Tubes will be Gone Forever.
Me thinks the old timers feel threatened by Emo, which fuels all their hatred..
I say Grey hair go in Peace and leave Emo alone..
There will always be people to take up the torch of high fidelity. Never doubt that. Unortunately, NOS tubes have a finite span because they are no longer made with the same materials and same equipment. The NOS tubes, when they are gone are gone forever, but the want for high quality audio from people will never dissapear.
Why would people, "old timers" as you call them feel threatened by something that doesn't produce as high a quality of sound as what they are using threaten them? There is no logical reason for that, is there? At least not that I can think of. I do not believe people with high fidelty gear feel threatened by anything that does not sound as good as the gear they are using.
Note: I am not necessarily specifically referring to EMO gear, but anything that sounds inferior to the gear someone is using currently.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Damn not again..
No responses for almost 12hrs, lol
Tubes may rule but once all the old timers relinquish their audio torches Tubes will be Gone Forever.
Me thinks the old timers feel threatened by Emo, which fuels all their hatred..
I say Grey hair go in Peace and leave Emo alone..
LOL. The original Jhayman is back.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Hey old timer, how are those Two Thousand $ PC's treating you, lolLOL. The original Jhayman is back.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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Really? While I do have grey hair, I was born during the Reagan administration. Unless something comes that blows the liquidity and soul of tubes out of the water, I dare say I'm a tuber for life.
I like the assumption made that you have to be old to enjoy tubes. Once again running his mouth off about something he knows nothing about. Go figure. -
That's a given... but it's like if you're driving a nicer car than me that was WAY more expensive. We both still get to our destinations and can both be perfectly happy with our purchases... until the ****-nozzle in the Lamborghini pulls up next to me and screams, "Hey, nice Chevy Impala, loser!" Just let me drive my damn Impala to work in peace! The used Mustang and two Ferarris that I had didn't work out!Note: I am not necessarily specifically referring to EMO gear, but anything that sounds inferior to the gear someone is using currently.
Okay, now I'm lost... What the hell were we talking about again?
Equipment list:
Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
Emotiva XPA-3 amp
Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen -
I like the assumption made that you have to be old to enjoy tubes. Once again running his mouth off about something he knows nothing about. Go figure.
Aren't you like 79?
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Tubes may rule but once all the old timers relinquish their audio torches Tubes will be Gone Forever.
Me thinks the old timers feel threatened by Emo, which fuels all their hatred..
I say Grey hair go in Peace and leave Emo alone..
Has to be one of the most assinine things I've heard in a long time.
In case you haven't noticed, audio in general is a game played on many levels. It neither negates the entry level players or the more experienced higher level players. If your happy at your level of enjoyment, cool, rock on. Others tend to want more from audio and a greater sense of enjoyment.
Some folks can be happy for life driving a Ford Escort, others aspire for the Beemer, Mercedes, etc. Neither makes a spit of difference in the end, just enjoy what you can afford and life in general. It needs not get anymore complicated than that.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Tubes may rule but once all the old timers relinquish their audio torches Tubes will be Gone Forever.
Me thinks the old timers feel threatened by Emo, which fuels all their hatred..
I say Grey hair go in Peace and leave Emo alone..
Last year several of us guys met up and went to the Altanta Axpona. In a group like that you kind of hang together so you don't get too far apart but sometimes one guy may stay in a room longer than others if something catches their ear. If so, in the next room or two you hang longer and let the others catch up. So everybody gets their time with favorites.
Emotiva had a room with a full setup. When I saw their name on the door I thought, good...a chance to hear a newer brand. Well, it was a gritty and un-hifi sound. It didn't take 20 seconds to vacate. One of those rare times when within just a few notes you can comfortably spin on your heel and head for the door. And you know, everyone else did the same. Independant conclusion the same by everyone. Not even close to the general level of really being at a show with decent equipment! Much more in line with expectations from a Best Buy or something.
Most higher end equipment in general is tube. Certainly plenty that isn't too. When the persuit is for better, you just really don't care which it is. But more often than not, it is tube that allows the easy open communicate with the musician kind of feeling. You really should take the time and go to the expense of getting to an event like this. It'd tend to open your eyes and show the level of knowledge you're working from and have been so happy to vocalize here.
But don't fear it....the level of enjoyment can go so much higher. The thrill of hearing more from the same material you thought you were familiar with is addicting. You'll eventually find pleasure in coming back and saying to others how foolish you were. The enjoy factor goes so much higher that it's fun to admit how wrong you were! You'll find yourself so immersed in music you listen to the whole song to last dieing note instead of the first minute and then skipping on.
Right here on this forum, over time, you can see this play out time after time. Join the club. Get out and experience that there actually is a whole level way above and beyond the big box store level!
CJA so called science type proudly says... "I do realize that I would fool myself all the time, about listening conclusions and many other observations, if I did listen before buying. That’s why I don’t, I bought all of my current gear based on technical parameters alone, such as specs and measurements."
More amazing Internet Science Pink Panther wisdom..."My DAC has since been upgraded from Mark Levinson to Topping." -
Right here on this forum, over time, you can see this play out time after time. Join the club. Get out and experience that there actually is a whole level way above and beyond the big box store level!
CJ
Great post my good man. You are correct, this scenario gets played out over and over again on this forum. Most times too, people have a hard time wiping that grin off their face and a big "ah ha" moment falls on them.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
There is a lot of tube gear I don't like. But the stuff I currently own sounds good.
No bloated tubby bass here. And marginal recordings don't pierce my ears any more."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
The real problem any more is all the good used amps are getting long in the tooth.
And repair techs are as well. Add on to it many of the sources for SS parts
have dried up. You blow up a match pair of transistors, you might have a very hard
time finding new ones. Or almost as worse, end up with Chinese fakes.
Those classic NAD, Rotel, B&K and Carver pieces are all past their prime. Add shipping
to and from a really good repair place, and suddenly you have a lot of $$$
tied up. Emo has the right product at the right price for a lot of people out there.
As far as tubes dying off, dream on. A quick visit to a head-fi meet shows a whole lot of
tube and tube hybrid gear. Those guys are a trendy bunch, and if tube gear wasn't
cutting it in the sound department, it wouldn't be there in the numbers it is.
And many spend as much on headphones, amps, and DACs as many here spend on their
speaker set ups. I'd really like to try a Emo to see what it's about, but not really
in the cards as of right now."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Like was said here many times already no one is putting EMO on a pedestal, just stop all the bashing is all.
FYI I have been in many many mom and pop audio stores in my yrs and have heard many things that made me grin ear to ear.
Right now at this time in my life every time I play a movie or listen to my TT with the gear I own right now I get that Grin.
I basically spent all day yesterday listening to music in 2 channel mostly my TT but I also listened very intently to some Miles Davis Flac I have and I must say I actually liked it quite a lot.
I was trying to listen very objectively to really hear everything the music had to offer, and I'm quite satisfied with my results which I will be PM,ing Ztful with as I need to ask a few questions first.
Since I generally do not listen to this type of music I need to know what he means by I think he said finger valving the flute and sax, trumpet..Great post my good man. You are correct, this scenario gets played out over and over again on this forum. Most times too, people have a hard time wiping that grin off their face and a big "ah ha" moment falls on them.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Aren't you like 79?
Change the 7 and 9 around and I feel like that on most days. Last time I went into a bar they called me Sir and Mister...I feel old.
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So because I don't like the Emo sound and know there is better out there, I'm not allowed to converse and have an opinion because it's called "bashing", grow some and stop taking it so personally.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Is there a thread on here about Adcom with bashing going on?
Or your Dared with bashing?
Show me any other thread with bashing like this one..
Can't find any? Why?ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
kuntasensei wrote: »Okay, now I'm lost... What the hell were we talking about again?
I think you were sharing your horror story of attempts to buy a good used amp. None of them worked (literally), so you bought an Emotiva, which you enjoy. From that point, it's pretty much gone downhill. Enjoy your gear!!!Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden -
Of course I'm only generalizing about having grey hair, I will however say that a general tube listener will be an older gentlemen and not the younger generation..
You know kind of like the mp3 quality it's a younger persons format..Really? While I do have grey hair, I was born during the Reagan administration. Unless something comes that blows the liquidity and soul of tubes out of the water, I dare say I'm a tuber for life.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
On another note here's a great deal on a Emotiva XPA-5 for $625 on the AVS forum.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1462441/emotiva-xpa-5-5-channel-amplifier-with-rack-mount-kit -
ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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Last year several of us guys met up and went to the Altanta Axpona. In a group like that you kind of hang together so you don't get too far apart but sometimes one guy may stay in a room longer than others if something catches their ear. If so, in the next room or two you hang longer and let the others catch up. So everybody gets their time with favorites.
Emotiva had a room with a full setup. When I saw their name on the door I thought, good...a chance to hear a newer brand. Well, it was a gritty and un-hifi sound. It didn't take 20 seconds to vacate. One of those rare times when within just a few notes you can comfortably spin on your heel and head for the door. And you know, everyone else did the same. Independant conclusion the same by everyone. Not even close to the general level of really being at a show with decent equipment! Much more in line with expectations from a Best Buy or something.
Most higher end equipment in general is tube. Certainly plenty that isn't too. When the persuit is for better, you just really don't care which it is. But more often than not, it is tube that allows the easy open communicate with the musician kind of feeling. You really should take the time and go to the expense of getting to an event like this. It'd tend to open your eyes and show the level of knowledge you're working from and have been so happy to vocalize here.
But don't fear it....the level of enjoyment can go so much higher. The thrill of hearing more from the same material you thought you were familiar with is addicting. You'll eventually find pleasure in coming back and saying to others how foolish you were. The enjoy factor goes so much higher that it's fun to admit how wrong you were! You'll find yourself so immersed in music you listen to the whole song to last dieing note instead of the first minute and then skipping on.
Right here on this forum, over time, you can see this play out time after time. Join the club. Get out and experience that there actually is a whole level way above and beyond the big box store level!
CJ
Great post, you absolutely nailed it.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Horse caw caw, just elitist snobs being them selves..
On wanted to be the one who said WoW they really have something here.
20 secs, your mind was already made up, lolATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Is there a thread on here about Adcom with bashing going on?
Or your Dared with bashing?
Show me any other thread with bashing like this one..
Can't find any? Why?
So, if someone has anything negative to say about a product it's bashing!?! Too funny.
There's plenty of negative comments about Adcom amps around here. I saw a negative comment about Dared the other day. I'd say there's most likely a negative comment about every piece of gear in these pages. I don't recall other folks calling it bashing tho.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Horse caw caw, just elitist snobs being them selves..
On wanted to be the one who said WoW they really have something here.
20 secs, your mind was already made up, lol
The way the brain processes information I'd say 20 seconds was plenty long enough. I walked into a Legacy room at a show last year, was making my way to a seat, but stopped short, turned around and walked out because it sounded horrible. One of the worst I'd heard in a while. It may have taken 20 seconds total by the time I got back to the door. If that makes me an elitist snob, then I'm happy to be one.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
There are certainly 20 second judgements passed every day on all things audio.
About 10 seconds with a pair of beats was enough for me."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Sure but every time EMO is brought up this happens, not just a comment here or there but a full on bashing..So, if someone has anything negative to say about a product it's bashing!?! Too funny.
There's plenty of negative comments about Adcom amps around here. I saw a negative comment about Dared the other day. I'd say there's most likely a negative comment about every piece of gear in these pages. I don't recall other folks calling it bashing tho.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
So if you hooked a set of Mit's you would not give them a chance?
I guess you don't do any reviews.The way the brain processes information I'd say 20 seconds was plenty long enough. I walked into a Legacy room at a show last year, was making my way to a seat, but stopped short, turned around and walked out because it sounded horrible. One of the worst I'd heard in a while. It may have taken 20 seconds total by the time I got back to the door. If that makes me an elitist snob, then I'm happy to be one.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
C'mon give it up, if you like your Emo gear, that's great. If you don't like it, that's great too. Everybody enjoy what they like or have, stick around, lot's of good info on this forum. Please everyone, take a deep breath.Home Theater
Onkyo PR-SC5508 Sharp LC-70LE847U
Emotiva XPA-5 Emotiva XPA-2 Emotiva UPA-2
Front RTi-A9 Wide RTi-A7 Center CSi-A6 Surround FXi-A6 Rear RTi-A3 Sub 2x PSW505
Sony BDP-S790 Dishnetwork Hopper/Joey Logitech Harmony One Apple TV
Two Channel
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Damn not again..
No responses for almost 12hrs, lol
Tubes may rule but once all the old timers relinquish their audio torches Tubes will be Gone Forever.
Me thinks the old timers feel threatened by Emo, which fuels all their hatred..
I say Grey hair go in Peace and leave Emo alone..Has to be one of the most assinine things I've heard in a long time.
He is just trolling. Notice how there has been no "bashing" of Emotiva in this thread, but the mentally weak continue to cry that there is. Isn't it some form of mental illness when one sees things that are not there?
Anyway, it's good to have the occasional troll, since they are amusing.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
EMO is the YUGO of HiFi.
Couldn't resist.:twisted:Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
I’M OFFENDED!!!!
