My used separates nightmare (or how I went Emo)
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Song Please..
Oh and while were at I think it's you guys and your golden ears that need to work for CERN..
No one is going to give you a song. If you have never heard the song before how do you really know what your listening for?
The music that we love that we have listened to time and time again is normally someone's reference music. To hear details, things never heard before after a listen on a new system is ways people can tell differences.
How has the soundstage grown? Is there more seperation between the instruments? Is there now more sense of a band playing in front of you? If you never heard the song how the hell would you know what it sounds like or what's changed?
Your fishing for an answer no one can give you because you refuse to understand.
Emo is fine for HT I owned it, wasn't my cup of tea for 2 Channel. An AVR didn't cut it either. Not until I finally started to branch out did I get what I was looking for for sound. Am I still done, nope, and thats the best part about this.
If you think your AVR is the end all be all, then great, but don't tell everyone else they are wrong because you don't bother to try something else or understand how people come to find differences.
Oh and another thing, when I know a song, I really know the song, on different formats even too. Vinyl, SACD, CD. All makes a difference. -
Exactly you don't know all the music, So let me get this straight..
When a new song comes out how do you know how it's supposed to sound?
You bring it home and it does not sound right on your gear, I guess that means UPGRADE time..
If for any other reason to see if the song changes..and you can hear the guy turn the page, lol
FYI I never started this thrash of posts, F1nut did..ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Yeah... I'd like to reiterate that fact: F1nut started the degeneration of this thread with his Jim Jones comparison. This was a pretty civil discussion up to that point. It seems like someone always has to cast unnecessary aspersions anytime someone brings up Emotiva here, even when they specifically aren't trying to make it out to be the second coming of audio nirvana (which I'm certainly not saying it is, nor was anyone else). And I suppose I don't understand why the brand or their gear engender such disdain. I mean... it isn't like I said I like BOSE or something!
Equipment list:
Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
Emotiva XPA-3 amp
Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen -
Thank You..You are refering to the Album not the CD correct?Start with the entire Kind of Blue album and go from there. Pedal thumps from the piano. Valve fingerings from flute, sax and trumpet. Drumsticks catching the rim of a drum and the drum surface at the same time...tons of nuances that you will be able to pick up on your TV speakers.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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Exactly you don't know all the music, So let me get this straight..
When a new song comes out how do you know how it's supposed to sound?You bring it home and it does not sound right on your gear, I guess that means UPGRADE time..
If for any other reason to see if the song changes..and you can hear the guy turn the page, lol
FYI I never started this thrash of posts, F1nut did..
Because a band that plays like a band should sound like a band in front of you. If I have vocals coming out of my butt it doesn't sound right now does it?
Most of the time people don't even set up their systems correctly to even know what a soundstage is. Or even get a feeling of a 3D soundstage from front to back. I have yet to hear a TV speaker do that.
Seriously you are trolling. Jesse acutally has helped ton of people here, more than what I can say you have done. Once again you took something and rather than try and understand you start an argument. -
Thanks againEither format will work. I have it in FLAC, CD, Vinyl and DVD-A formats. The DVD-A I made myself after converting the FLAC files. But for the sake of this discussion, I am referring to the FLAC/DVD-A.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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Whatever, who are you to know how every band is supposed to sound..
I have heard GOOD and BAD sounding bands..
I could care less about Jesse HE started it end of Story..Because a band that plays like a band should sound like a band in front of you. If I have vocals coming out of my butt it doesn't sound right now does it?
Most of the time people don't even set up their systems correctly to even know what a soundstage is. Or even get a feeling of a 3D soundstage from front to back. I have yet to hear a TV speaker do that.
Seriously you are trolling. Jesse acutally has helped ton of people here, more than what I can say you have done. Once again you took something and rather than try and understand you start an argument.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Whatever, who are you to know how every band is supposed to sound..
I have heard GOOD and BAD sounding bands..
I could care less about Jesse HE started it end of Story..
Once again, you are putting words into my mouth and failing to try and understand anything. If you can't figure out how a normal "band" is supposed to sound then there is no help for you.
You really show you know nothing, and care not to even try to learn. I fail to understand why you even bother to be on a forum that you disagree with 95% of the members and think they know nothing.
You sound like a little child, he started it! Are you going to get your mommy involved to go punish him? -
For the record, my initial assessment of the amps in my system was made based on the CD and SACD versions of Nickel Creek and Nickel Creek - This Side. I use those albums in particular because I am familiar with their sound, I've seen them live on multiple occasions (so I know how they sound in person), and they're generally regarded as good recordings. So in my case, I'm working from something familiar as far as listening for accuracy and nuance. There is something to be said for using familiar material to assess system performance. However, I like when people point out subtleties in a recording or on a particular system, and I'm always open for suggestions as far as material to check out. I did quite a bit of that at the tech's place with the speakers he designed and the crazy tube amp rig he had set up.
As far as placing blame for who started it, Jhayman is correct in that F1nut's Kool-Aid comment was completely unnecessary, and sadly, not an uncommon occurrence around here when it comes to this particular brand. And while I don't see this as a matter of "having mommy punish him" or any such nonsense, it is worth calling someone out when they initiate a game of dogpile-on-the-rabbit. It's fine if he has contributed knowledge to other threads, helped more people, yadda yadda yadda... but his comment was unnecessary, and only served to send this thread into the same death spiral that every other Emotiva thread seems to end up in. And for a forum that is so open to discussion in so many other aspects, it's kinda' infuriating... and was so even before I owned an Emotiva product. Just being honest.Equipment list:
Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
Emotiva XPA-3 amp
Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen -
Good post, kunta. Not hard to tell who the adults are here. F1 is extremely knowledgeable and has helped countless people here. He also flames the **** out of emotiva threads. So he's multifaceted.
Two Channel Setup:
Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
DAC: Arcam irDac
Source: iMac
Remote Control: iPad Mini
3.2 Home Theater Setup:
Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
Center: Klipsch RP-160M
Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
TV Source: DirecTV Genie -
Thanks Kuntasensei..
I just look at the mentality of who said it, wow he must be the only person to know how to listen to music and judging by his gear HE will argue to the Death, lol
And I case anyone is wondering I to have many vinyl's andCD's I use for MY reference listening.
I use Fleetwood Mac Rumors and Diana Krall as my to primary.
Gee someone using an EMO product doing that I guess is unheard of..ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Guys let your ears decide. That is all that matters in the end. At this point we all know the hate for emo on this forum. I use to have the same hate because of this forum until I demoed their xpa1's and then their xpr2 and xpr5. I put those emos against some darn good amps and they did more than hold their own and I am 70/30 2 channel to ht. I got caught in names when building my last system and bought some of the best name amps I could afford and in the end, they didnt do it for me for 2 channel listening. The connection with the music was not their for me. I had a really upset wife because I had over 25k retail in amps just sitting in my room. Ordered their xpr series and it was history. I heard more detail and clarity than I ever heard with the boutique brand amps. Wide soundstage that just immersed you in the music. I was sold at that point and all other amps went packing.
Funny story is that one of the local dealers asked me to bring the xpr2 in for a listen. Hooked up to some Sonus Faber cremona m towers. He was floored by the sound of the xpr2. Then he asked me what it cost and he almost fainted when I told him. He had the cremonas running on some 15k monos. Are they be all end all, heck no. But you better have your wallet ready to find significantly better.
At the end of the day, lets all just enjoy the music. Synergy is huge and just because something has a better name does not mean it will work in your rig. It is just funny how when people here dislike more expensive amps, they word synergy is used, but when it comes to emo, its just a piece of junk thats only good for HT. Lots of hypocrits around here. -
I think putting together a "good" HT system is a bit more involved than some people think, vs. putting together a "good" sounding stereo system. Yes, there are nuances and synergies to both. Just because someone slaps together 4 bookshelf speakers, a center, and a sub with an AVR and maybe blue ray player means that the journey ends there. There are probably as many crappy (or even average) HT systems as there are crappy stereo systems. Heck, how many people actual have the tweeter of the center channel placed at the correct height? Probably not many, and this is just one example. All I know is I will be hard pressed to send my HCA 1205 out to Parasound (or anywhere else for that matter) if it breaks down due the shipping cost alone. Why did I buy a used Parasound vs. a new Emo? In my opinion, the music within movies and TV sounded pretty smooth with my previous Parasound. With all that said, if this 2nd amp bites the dust, I'll being looking hard at a new EMO XPA-5.
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Wow did this thread go to **** fast...
I'm going to bite here:No no just name a few songs and I will play them upstairs on a crappy stereo then try them on my gear downstairs.
Anything by Tool either off the 10,000 Days album or Anemia. Actually, go listen to 10,000 days pt. 2. Use that song as your reference. Follow the thunder..................................
Also, I'm asking as a fellow Canuck who the hell you care so much about other peoples ****? Or why you insist on stirring the pot everywhere here? I can read for myself. I've watched what you've posted since joining. So what are you here for? Stop fishing and maybe you'll be surprised to see people stop feeding you all the emo hate bull crap you love feeding off of. Fact is, some people like what they like and dislike what they don't like. Deal with it. No brand is superior in any way. Components are built for certain purposes in mind. Another good fact of this example is reviews that can be found online comparing music production using Emo mono's compared to a 5 channel amp for HT... (wtf?!?!).
Think about this question... When you want to build a rig for critical and pure music enjoyment only, why would you buy a surround sound processor to control and manage it? Does something not seem a little wrong? Compromise is one thing but again, certain components are built for certain PURPOSES!! -
Just had to add your 0.02 cents in eh..
Even though I have my music selection selected for me already by Ztful..
Why do you care so much..
I just don't like people who post only to stir the pot.
This thread would not have moved again if it were not for F1nut's trolling post..
Him being such a valued member should know better.Wow did this thread go to **** fast...
I'm going to bite here:
Anything by Tool either off the 10,000 Days album or Anemia. Actually, go listen to 10,000 days pt. 2. Use that song as your reference. Follow the thunder..................................
Also, I'm asking as a fellow Canuck who the hell you care so much about other peoples ****? Or why you insist on stirring the pot everywhere here? I can read for myself. I've watched what you've posted since joining. So what are you here for? Stop fishing and maybe you'll be surprised to see people stop feeding you all the emo hate bull crap you love feeding off of. Fact is, some people like what they like and dislike what they don't like. Deal with it. No brand is superior in any way. Components are built for certain purposes in mind. Another good fact of this example is reviews that can be found online comparing music production using Emo mono's compared to a 5 channel amp for HT... (wtf?!?!).
Think about this question... When you want to build a rig for critical and pure music enjoyment only, why would you buy a surround sound processor to control and manage it? Does something not seem a little wrong? Compromise is one thing but again, certain components are built for certain PURPOSES!!ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
If I have vocals coming out of my butt it doesn't sound right now does it?
Dude! You can't really do that, can you? :question: :exclaim: If you can, and you don't have a booking manager, let's talk!! Oh, man, I can have you booked up through 2015 by Monday - starting with my nephew's birthday party on the 11th of this month! Now...and I'm just talkin' about if it's just vocals. If you can master instruments...nuances, or no nuances...Oh My God! Then, the sky's the limit! :arrowu: -
Song Please..
Oh and while were at I think it's you guys and your golden ears that need to work for CERN..
Dont feed the 20,000 post troll. He isnt capable of passing by a Emotive post. -
Another useful post, from the .02 cent fan club, lol
FYI look again at who it is that can't leave EMO threads alone..cowtrimmer wrote: »Dont feed the 20,000 post troll. He isnt capable of passing by a Emotive post.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Just had to add your 0.02 cents in eh..
Even though I have my music selection selected for me already by Ztful..
Why do you care so much..
I just don't like people who post only to stir the pot.
This thread would not have moved again if it were not for F1nut's trolling post..
Him being such a valued member should know better.
The only thing trolling here is your post count. Don't be ignorant. There are some wonderful and very knowledgeable people here. If you refuse to step outside the box and try things then you must be stubborn in person too. How else do you form your opinions? -
I agree with F1"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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About which part... the drinking of the Kool-Aid?I agree with F1
Screw you guys... I'm gonna go watch Schindler's List now. Heh...Equipment list:
Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
Emotiva XPA-3 amp
Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen -
You must have bought some expensive Kool-Aid as well being all pent up living in the snow capital of our Beautiful Country..
I could care less who's on this forum or what they have done, is that supposed to mean something to me.
All I see is someone who is a so called respected member of this forum posting trolling remarks for no other reason than to stir the pot..The only thing trolling here is your post count. Don't be ignorant. There are some wonderful and very knowledgeable people here. If you refuse to step outside the box and try things then you must be stubborn in person too. How else do you form your opinions?ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
kuntasensei wrote: »F1nut started the degeneration of this thread with his Jim Jones comparison.
Oh, big freakin deal! Ya know, F1 and I had words some time ago and if I'm being honest, I can accept the blame for that. But this forum helped me grow up a little the more I got into it and, although F1 comes off arrogant at times, I'm grateful he's been PMing me with help choosing an amp. Even if I disagree with some of his opinions I still really appreciate the effort. So I take such little barbs with a grain of salt now. I was lucky enough to learn to bend a little and how to take the cotton out of my ears and put it in my mouth and listen. A little humility has helped me a great deal here.TV: 65" Samsung QLED 4K
Fronts: Energy RC70 --- Center: Energy RC-LCR
Front Heights: Polk RC65i --- Rears: Polk RC85i --- Sub: Power Sound Audio XS15
Pioneer VSX-1120K --- Parasound HCA-1000A --- Oppo BDP-103
Vincent Audio SA31 preamp --- Teac UD301 DAC
AIYIMA Tube T7 preamp --- Nobsound 12AX7 tube preamplifier -
The UPA-200 for $349 is an absolute steal. I prefer this piece to the more expensive XPA-2. A 125/200 power amp with some finesse at that price, new, is quite an accomplishment. I'm amazed. I'm also really impressed with the LSi7s, particularly for $299 new. I like the 7s better than the 9s in my room. Amp and speakers playing very well with one another. There are good deals out there even when buying new.
Two Channel Setup:
Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
DAC: Arcam irDac
Source: iMac
Remote Control: iPad Mini
3.2 Home Theater Setup:
Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
Center: Klipsch RP-160M
Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
TV Source: DirecTV Genie -
I just don't like people who post only to stir the pot.
You must really hate yourself in that case.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Loud & Clear wrote: »So he's multifaceted.
Well, I am bad and nationwide, so yeah...... :cheesygrin:Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Bored tonight Jess ?
HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
He's back King of the one line troll posts..
See these threads are entertaining just look at all the members viewing the thread just waiting to see what's said next, lolYou must really hate yourself in that case.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Bored tonight Jess ?
Just a bit, probably more spent than anything. :arrowl::arrowu::arrowd::arrow::exclaim:Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
He's back King of the one line troll posts..
See these threads are entertaining just look at all the members viewing the thread just waiting to see what's said next, lol
Ummmm......Jesse can take care of himself.
I think you might find something better to post about if you look around.Testing
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