Do power cords make a difference?

tonyb

Hey now, not nice to label people like that........

....but sure is darn funny anyway. WAAAAAAA !!

Mikey081057

only when they are not plugged in

Jhayman

I would'nt call people that buy expensive power cables " Stupid" that's not nice and very condesending and RUDE..
If they think it makes a difference then I guess the proof is in the EAR..
Because on paper it does not, especially in such a short run of wire like a power cable..
where's your so called proof that you say the others don't have?

BlueFox wrote: »

Where do these people come from? Is there a "Stupid University", and a new class has flunked out (graduated)? I absolutely love how these clowns state something and have zero experience to support their stated 'facts'. :rolleyes:

Other than mocking and ridiculing them, there really is not much else you can do with "The Stupid People".

polrbehr

I just got back from Best Buy about an hour ago.

I lucked out and got a sweet deal on an open-box Denon 3312ci. Only thing was that the salesman couldn't find the (detachable)
power cord. So I offered him $30 less than the asking price, he got the OK, and out I went with my new receiver.

I couldn't let it go, though; the devil on the left shoulder insisted I go back in and tell the salesman that for the record, the stock PC was going to be unwrapped/unused anyway, that I had a nice Signal Cable 5 footer all set to go! He just looked at me with one of those "huh?" faces, so I took a few minutes to enlighten him. Turned out he was a pretty cool kid, didn't even think about things like power cords having a positive impact. Which, by the way, they do.

I can't find the link, but DarqueKnight had a pretty good explanation of why power cords make a difference; if people are going to believe the negatives they read about, maybe getting their eyes on a positive might work too.

Erik Tracy

Jhayman wrote: »

I would'nt call people that buy expensive power cables " Stupid" that's not nice and very condesending and RUDE..
If they think it makes a difference then I guess the proof is in the EAR..
Because on paper it does not, especially in such a short run of wire like a power cable..
where's your so called proof that you say the others don't have?

Where's your proof they don't?

Until there is "proof" either way, I give more weight to those who try things for themselves and let their own ears decide - anything is just internet wanking.

headrott

headrott wrote: »

Not trying to sound rude, but it sounds like you are doing as well as you can hear and conceptualize. Can you conceed that there may be differences that you are not hearing (due to your gear, possibly?) and that you are not aware of all possibilities how and why a power cable can make an audible difference?

Jhayman wrote: »

I would'nt call people that buy expensive power cables " Stupid" that's not nice and very condesending and RUDE..
If they think it makes a difference then I guess the proof is in the EAR..
Because on paper it does not, especially in such a short run of wire like a power cable..
where's your so called proof that you say the others don't have?

I would say the proof is in the ear and the gear. Your system must have a minimum level of resolution to hear differences in cables (power and otherwise). Unless you have trained yourself to hear these differences (your ear) and you have high enough resolution audio coming from your gear you cannot hear the or become aware of the differences and you are talking out of your rear.

Again, please read my question from my quote above and get back to us about it.

11tsteve

i have never understood why this always turns into an argument. i have a buddy who runs sound for local clubs, and has a lot of pro gear. when he found out i spent money on Morrow cables, he called me the classic "audiofool". though i told him i immediately heard a difference, i was accused of being faulty in not doing a double blind. his argument was also empirical in that data showed there was no better transfer of signal given whatever conductor used blah blah blah... and that if cables made a difference wouldn't clubs and sound companies be using them? well, no, conductor quality in a setting with such high ambient background noise, large space... makes no sense... and round we went.

really, i just wanted to enjoy my new cables. some hear it, some don't. why does it have to come to body blows?

BlueFox

11tsteve wrote: »

i have never understood why this always turns into an argument. i have a buddy who runs sound for local clubs, and has a lot of pro gear. when he found out i spent money on Morrow cables, he called me the classic "audiofool". though i told him i immediately heard a difference, i was accused of being faulty in not doing a double blind. his argument was also empirical in that data showed there was no better transfer of signal given whatever conductor used blah blah blah... and that if cables made a difference wouldn't clubs and sound companies be using them? well, no, conductor quality in a setting with such high ambient background noise, large space... makes no sense... and round we went.

really, i just wanted to enjoy my new cables. some hear it, some don't. why does it have to come to body blows?

Tell your buddy that just because he does sound for clubs does not mean he knows anything other than how to attach cables.

If he is interested in actually learning something he can start by reading the professional endorsements of Shunyata cables. Of course, we all know "The Stupid People" will say these professionals were bribed to endorse the product.

http://www.shunyata.com/Content/endorsements-Prof.html

Or the endorsements from high-end manufacturers.

http://www.shunyata.com/Content/endorsements-Man.html

There is a lot of good, technical information on the Shunyata web-site for those interested in learning versus those who are just interested in running their mouth.

Jhayman

Oh My God, LOL
How can it get any more biased, lol
That's the worst example you could have picked and only fuels the NON Believers..
To boot they developed their own test DCTC or whatever..Even more Biased..lol
Atleast find some credible articles from NON biased blind testers..
and NO I won't find them for you there are tons just use the search function in Google..
I mean electricity enters your home through standard builders wire, then you plug in a NEW $$ power cable then the electricity goes into your component then has to pass through all those teenie tiny solder traces running all over the place then into pllaces you can't even SEE and have no idea what kind of wire they have used their..
Still you think it makes a difference..
Bottom line is your stuff is onlly as good as it's weakest link..Period..
And Bluefox Stop calling people STUPID..It really shows your character
It's against the RULES here

Erik Tracy

Jhayman wrote: »

Oh My God, LOL
How can it get any more biased, lol
That's the worst example you could have picked and only fuels the NON Believers..
To boot they developed their own test DCTC or whatever..Even more Biased..lol
Atleast find some credible articles from NON biased blind testers..
and NO I won't find them for you there are tons just use the search function in Google..
I mean electricity enters your home through standard builders wire, then you plug in a NEW $$ power cable then the electricity goes into your component then has to pass through all those teenie tiny solder traces running all over the place then into pllaces you can't even SEE and have no idea what kind of wire they have used their..
Still you think it makes a difference..
Bottom line is your stuff is onlly as good as it's weakest link..Period..
And Bluefox Stop calling people STUPID..It really shows your character
It's against the RULES here

Again...where is your "proof"?

Back at ya!

Jhayman

I said use Google and you will find the light

Jhayman

Means nothing but one persons opinion..
Nice comment treitz3 you have been reported for potty mouth

Lets look at it from another angle, lets see...
I might be reaching here but I guess it's safe to say if you spend $20-50K on an AMP it MUST come with the BEST power cord avaiable correct..??
Because if it does not then OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD...
You mean I have to spend more than $20-50K for my AMP to sound it's best?
What are they using in there chicken wire

Toolfan66

You have been reported for potty mouth?? Serious?? LOL!!


Time to turn in your man card..

BlueFox

ZLTFUL wrote: »

And typically, I would agree with you...EXCEPT for the fact that you obviously have absolutely no clue how to read an oscilloscope trace because the traces do in fact show a measurable quantitative difference that could in fact be heard.

Good post.

Jhayman

I am not name calling or using rude comments aimed at others so Please Stop insulting me..or Condesending
All I'm saying is I don't believe they make a NOTICIBLE difference, maybe you can see it on an Oscilloscope But I believe you can't hear it and I'm not alone..
Ok here are some I have found in a couple of minutes..
Again Opinions from other people using multiple products including the DEBUNKING of SHUNYATA
http://www.10audio.com/diy_power_conditioner.htm
http://www.head-fi.org/t/247003/shunyata-debunked
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?65874-Power-cable-ripoff
http://hifi-unlimited.blogspot.ca/2009/08/dabbling-in-dark-side-shunyatas-dark.html
http://www.avguide.com/forums/shunyata-research-black-mamba-cx-and-hc-cx-power-cables
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-article-blind-test-power-cords-12-2004.html

BlueFox

DSkip wrote: »

When have you tried after-market power cables?

My guess is never. It is easier to make things up and then search the Internet for similar opinions. Of course any data that refutes their opinion is biased, wrong, or ignored. The culture of stupidity that some embrace just amazes me to no end.

Jhayman

I myself personally never but I have been to Highend Audio stores and asked for comparisons..TODAY as a matter of fact my friend and I spent the better part of today downtown at Bay Bloor Radio in downtown Toronto..
My friend also owns a Nordost highend power cable..
Him and I could not tell anything.
We were in the Macintosh Room, The Peachtree Room, with 40K Sonus Faber Speakers I think thats what they were called..
They even sell you Hospital grade outlets..Which are supposed to be a match for HIGHend power cables..
and really after spending about 4-6 hours with a salesman my friend knew from other stores in the past, he DID not come right out and say they really don't make a difference but we could tell he wanted to..
But we walked out of there with $3K in merchandise so I guess he was happy
So long story short again, I guess 99% of the population is living with CRAP sound if they don't have a HIGHEND power cable to bring out the best in their stereo in a box, or even the one's who spring for the nice stuff still have crap sound, with out the Cable..lol
I'm out of here....

Jhayman

Whatever Bluefox, You don't know me yet you presume too..
It's OK I would be very upset too if I bought into the power cable thingy and then got it home and it did nothing I see why you get so upset..
Like i said there are alot more of these opinions than YOUR opinions on the net..
I searched for all of 3 min just to feed the mouths..

Jhayman

night night

Jhayman

What fact do you speak of?
Testimonials from The Phil Harmonic, or the oscilloscope screen?
I have not read anything that shows 100% proof that they make a difference..
Besides if I can't hear it then it makes no difference..
And what does Latin have to do with this thread, other than another attempt to make yourself feel superior to me because I do not speak Latin..
Your ego must feel pretty good eh!

BlueFox

ZLTFUL wrote: »

Weren't you going to bed? I am pretty sure everyone else was looking forward to that as well.

LOL. Even better post.

headrott

headrott wrote: »

I would say the proof is in the ear and the gear. Your system must have a minimum level of resolution to hear differences in cables (power and otherwise). Unless you have trained yourself to hear these differences (your ear) and you have high enough resolution audio coming from your gear you cannot hear the or become aware of the differences and you are talking out of your rear.

Again, please read my question from my quote above and get back to us about it.

headrott wrote: »

Not trying to sound rude, but it sounds like you are doing as well as you can hear and conceptualize. Can you conceed that there may be differences that you are not hearing (due to your gear, possibly?) and that you are not aware of all possibilities how and why a power cable can make an audible difference?

Perhaps for the third time, you have missed my post Jhayman? Or are you simply ignoring it?

Interestingly, I just finished installing a furutech power cable and Fi-28M (Rhodium) male plug into my voltage regulator. I'll let you know what difference in sound it makes tomorrow after a listening session. In the meantime, could you please respond to the question/statement I asked? Thank you.

Toolfan66

Nobody said every one else is listening to crap (99% of the population) nobody is telling you you have to use them or believe in them.

Most of the population doesn't even know about aftermarket cables. And no one is here selling them, nor pushing them on others. Only sharing there experiences with them.

cstmar01

End of argument he claimed seeing HE can't hear it what's the point. So just because someone else can't must mean everyone else must follow his opinion right? I always love the well I have never done anything myself I just read what others post and agree. Sorry but trying something for yourself speaks volumes above I just agree with some guy I read about.

And there are sonus faber speakers. None called 40k. So again you really have no idea what you were listening to or familiar with it.

Jhayman

They cost $40K
$40,000

Amanti Futura
ok Geez I forgot the name

Jhayman

Headrott You might be better of posting about your new power cable in a few week time as from what I have read from other links people posted most power cables need a 1000hrs to break them in, lol

Oh and to answer your question my gear is more than capable of showing of suttle differences..

I'll bet $1000 bucks not one of you guys could pass my blind test.
I guess you guys don't believe in the snake oil either?
I don't care what Zitful posts wether HIS fact or not, there are certainly more snake oil theorys than fact..

BlueFox

Generally speaking, when dealing with "The Stupid People", ignoring them is the best response. However, some are extra amusing, so while it is tempting to pretend interest, the end result is like shooting fish in a barrel. No contest. Just let them flounder and make fools of themselves.

Toolfan66

Jhayman wrote: »

Oh and to answer your question my gear is more than capable of showing of suttle differences..

:rolleyes:

Jhayman

Exactly how I feel now, getting tired..
Once brainwashed by the Shunyata Cable Company you never get out..lol

BlueFox wrote: »

Generally speaking, when dealing with "The Stupid People", ignoring them is the best response. However, some are extra amusing, so while it is tempting to pretend interest, the end result is like shooting fish in a barrel. No contest. Just let them flounder and make fools of themselves.

kevhed72

Fascinating...