Kimber Kables

tommyt21

Im sitting in my office when the Medical Director tosses four braided cables on my desk and tells me there mine. On further inspection they are Kimber Kables PBJ interconnects. It just so happens that less then ten minutes before he came in I placed a order for a XPA-3 and 3 X series RCA's.

Should I send the X series RCA's back and just use the Kimber?

Has anyone had any experince with these cables?

I also noticed the Kimbers dont have Rf shielding is that going to be a problem?

Thanks Thomas

ravaneli

no, it will not be a problem.

And it doesn't matter which ones you will use hence better go with the freebies.

EndersShadow

The Kimbers are MUCH better IMHO.

F1nut

Yeah, it does matter, so keep the Kimbers.

Upstatemax

Let your ears be the judge...

If you like the Emo cables better, keep them and Karma the Kimber cables here.

If you like the Kimber cables better, send back the Emo cables

steveinaz

Kimber PBJ is an excellent budget cable, and may be the last cable you'll ever need. I currently use Hero, but I could go back to PBJ's with zero regret. Hero has a slightly fuller mid band, and treble is ever-so smoother than PBJ, but it's extremely subtle in nature.

I highly recommend PBJ to anyone who wants to buy cables once, doesn't want to pay a boat load, and be done with it.

tommyt21

Unless there is some unforseen issue i will probably send the emos back (60 bucks) and use these free ones. do i need to worry about placement around other wires since there is no shielding?

ravaneli

heheh, it sounds tempting to rub your nose again but i will skip this time. Here is some food for thought for you though: if interconnects are important, does it mean that receivers have an inherent advantage over separates, because preamp and amp are soldered on the same board and they have the perfect interconnect, which is no interconnect at all? Think about it for a second, Watson, it is an interesting thought.

F1nut

I'll gladly rub your nose in it, each and every time.

If you think for one second that the pre amp section of an AVR is better than a dedicated pre amp, you're more delusional than previously proven.

EndersShadow

^Rav's got his normal cable dont matter hard-on going on now. We best stop the discussion before he blows :eek:

That and dont even think about mentioning power conditioners....

B Run

ravaneli wrote: »

heheh, it sounds tempting to rub your nose again but i will skip this time. Here is some food for thought for you though: if interconnects are important, does it mean that receivers have an inherent advantage over separates, because preamp and amp are soldered on the same board and they have the perfect interconnect, which is no interconnect at all? Think about it for a second, Watson, it is an interesting thought.

PLEASE tell me you're joking:eek:

tonyb

Rav man, give it up already. Your not doing yourself or your species any favors.

98Badger

Try both cables. I had some Kimber Heros for a while but felt they rounded off the notes. Changed to Emotivas and have been much happier. Just goes to show people have different preferences. I thought the Emotivas were more detailed.

GlennDog

steveinaz wrote: »

I highly recommend PBJ to anyone who wants to buy cables once, doesn't want to pay a boat load, and be done with it.

no nonsense advise, I like it. Thanks Steve!

G

GlennDog

EndersShadow wrote: »

^Rav's got his normal cable dont matter hard-on going on now. We best stop the discussion before he blows :eek:

That and dont even think about mentioning power conditioners....

Did you say Power Conditioner? . . . well, my friend, I recently procured a brand new Furman (at a discounted $$ from Audio Advisors) .. .

I am pleased,

G

nooshinjohn

ravaneli wrote: »

heheh, it sounds tempting to rub your nose again but i will skip this time....

I'll have the roasted troll please, with fava beans and a nice chianti.

GlennDog

nice quote, Great movie "Silence"

mantis

ravaneli wrote: »

heheh, it sounds tempting to rub your nose again but i will skip this time. Here is some food for thought for you though: if interconnects are important, does it mean that receivers have an inherent advantage over separates, because preamp and amp are soldered on the same board and they have the perfect interconnect, which is no interconnect at all? Think about it for a second, Watson, it is an interesting thought.

Before I state my opinion on this line of thinking , guys back off , everyone is entitled to their opinion right or wrong. I lose respect for anyone who bashes people who are not in the know. I believe ravaneli simply doesn't understand the difference Interconnects can make or the real differences between a receiver and separates.

So first of all , Interconnects like any component in ones system matter just as much as every other part. This connection between an amp and a preamp or a receivers pre outs need to be of good quality and proper build. Failure here will result is lack of performance. I'm not going to go into cables and sound quality but don't skimp here.

Now lets talk about a receiver. A receiver is a compromise device that crams everything you need into one chassis. This is not always true for all receivers as some sound as good as separates but none I have ran across performs better for a lot of reasons. One huge reason is noise. Receivers also usually have less quality amps then outboard. You get separate power supplies and better quality caps when using external amps. This is a good idea when trying to drive more difficult load speakers which are measured in Ohms and DB.

Separates are exactly that. They provide isolated chassis in full separation from each other. They don't add noise into each other or share a common power supply. Yo usually have a cleaner signal path and higher quality output stages etc.

I strongly suggest you get your learn on and learn the difference between the 2. I see your thinking on the no Interconnect thing which in thought a receiver should yield the best overall performance and the amp and preamp inside the receiver should be an exact match plus no interconnects that could possibly pick up interference.

EndersShadow

Dan: Here's the issue. He has got his learn on and because he read this that and the other he will discount anyone who says something otherwise. He refuses to actually try out any of these horrible things called interconects unless they are low end. I dont even think he's put his hat in the ring for the FREE MIT DEMO. Instead he will simply spout study's about this that and the other, but when confronted by someone like DK he simply refuses to admit perhaps his logic or sources are flawed.

That's why we all take issue with him. He is entitled to his opinion no matter how wrong it is, its just frustrating he wont even consider or try it if someone didn't write up a study about it. Hell the MIT Demo cost me 50 bucks in shipping to try out a set of 2k+ IC's and SC's for 2 weeks.

He simply refuses to put his money where his mouth is and try to experience something rather than just read about it.

I can read everything there is to know about Magnepan speakers and how they sound. Doesn't make me an expert on it because I have no real experience to base it off.

Audio is subjective and requires trying new things.

pearsall001

Free is good...send the Emo cables back, pocket the savings & put it towards a top notch AVR & you're done.

ravaneli

heheh, i said i will skip this one, so i will. Surprised that noone saw the truth in my hint though. That has nothing to do with audio, just logical deduction. If these kimber cables are much better than a pair of cheap RCAs, then a receiver would be much better than the sum of its parts connected by an interconnect. Get it? If you were to split the same receiver to amp and pre, and tie them with interconnect, you would lose quality, depending on the cable. For that reason receivers would always be better than separates (think same units) because of the zero loss to interconnects. Come on, someone here must have the logic to see this and the balls to admit it.

nooshinjohn

Anybody light the grill yet? I'm gettin' HUNGRY!

BlueFox

ravaneli wrote: »

Surprised that noone saw the truth in my hint though. That has nothing to do with audio, just logical deduction.

Your hint is moronic, and there is no logic involved. Nobody is talking about cutting a receiver into pieces, and then hooking up the parts with cables.

mantis

tommyt21 wrote: »

Im sitting in my office when the Medical Director tosses four braided cables on my desk and tells me there mine. On further inspection they are Kimber Kables PBJ interconnects. It just so happens that less then ten minutes before he came in I placed a order for a XPA-3 and 3 X series RCA's.

Should I send the X series RCA's back and just use the Kimber?

Has anyone had any experince with these cables?

I also noticed the Kimbers dont have Rf shielding is that going to be a problem?

Thanks Thomas

As already said , PPJ's are excellent cables. They are entry level Kimber Kable but are not entry level performance. They are a gem in our industry and I would cancel your X order. Not to mention Free is incredible especially for PPJ's. I owned them and I loved them. Even if you paid full retail , they are worth every penny.

mantis

ravaneli wrote: »

heheh, i said i will skip this one, so i will. Surprised that noone saw the truth in my hint though. That has nothing to do with audio, just logical deduction. If these kimber cables are much better than a pair of cheap RCAs, then a receiver would be much better than the sum of its parts connected by an interconnect. Get it? If you were to split the same receiver to amp and pre, and tie them with interconnect, you would lose quality, depending on the cable. For that reason receivers would always be better than separates (think same units) because of the zero loss to interconnects. Come on, someone here must have the logic to see this and the balls to admit it.

Balls? This conversation is about a receiver being a SC-35 and using external amps. In this case the thread starter is thinking the external amps are going to be better then the internal ones. Has nothing to do with what connection is better.

Again I completely think you don't have a good understanding of what a receiver is or how it's built compared to separate components.

mantis

tommyt21 wrote: »

Unless there is some unforseen issue i will probably send the emos back (60 bucks) and use these free ones. do i need to worry about placement around other wires since there is no shielding?

I suggest you go to the Kimber Kable website and learn why their cables are designed the way they are. They actually are probably one of the best cables to reject noise.
On a side not it's good practice to run low voltage and high voltage cables separately , at least 6 inches away from each other when ever possible. If they have to cross paths , try to do it on a 90 deg angle.

jbooker82

So I guess a tv, with a built in dvd / blu ray player is the best home theater money can buy. That way you don't have to worry about hdmi cables degrading the signal from the BluRay player. You also don't have to worry about speaker cable, interconnects, or even an AVR, pre amp and external amplifiers degrading the audio because the TV will be producing the sound. Anything extra added just degrades the signal.

steveinaz

tommyt21 wrote: »

Unless there is some unforseen issue i will probably send the emos back (60 bucks) and use these free ones. do i need to worry about placement around other wires since there is no shielding?

Tommy, I've never had any issue with them. Use normal wire routing ideas (keep ac away from IC's, etc.)

steveinaz

I like the placebo effect, it makes me feel cool having exotic cables even though they suck and are expensive. Are WE really here, or is this the MATRIX, and we're nothin but frickin human batteries?

I buy what I want, because I can---so...nah..nah...nahnah...nah. :cheesygrin:

11tsteve

if i didn't spend extra money on useless expensive cables, i might have enough money to buy a tube amp.... and we all know just how useless those are.

mesquitehead

Consider that the internal wiring inside a speaker is at best 14 or 16 guage common wire.....not too fancy.