The reason why receivers cant work for two channel music reproduction

disneyjoe7

I agree with that statement, found the same. Also my Onkyo did the same when I had it. HT avr don't separate 2 channel and HT well IMHO.

VR3 wrote: »

The biggest issue with my receiver is my sweet spot for music and movies is different. I dont sit in the center of the room to watch a movie but on the couch. The receiver in direct bypass does not remove the distance settings. I also do not believe that setting removes all the processing, based on what I hear I have a hard time believing that.

decal

This thread was meant more in jest than anything

Now you tell them. Jeez, some of these people were getting ready to whack each other !!!! BTW, more Caddy pics !!!!!!

gdb

Denon AVR-4800 for sale- cheap- $300.00/ best offer
























JKidding

DMara

brgman wrote: »

BTW,do cables matter in a hifi system?

Depends on whether the system is stellar :biggrin:

pietro944

brgman wrote: »

Somebody start a new topic/thread we can opine on.This ship has sailed.
BTW,do cables matter in a hifi system?

Cables?????......:eek:"Niagra Falls!".........'slowly I turned......step by step......inch by inch"(lol)

tonyb

If you lived closer Trey, I'd come over and give you swirly for that....."in jest"...LOL !!! Man o man, the pitchforks were out, bonfires cranked up, tar and feathers were being scouted out, even pics of Justin Beiber were being handed out. Not to mention H9 had his circus midgets all doped up on espresso and ready to rumble.

ken brydson

tonyb wrote: »

If you lived closer Trey, I'd come over and give you swirly for that....."in jest"...LOL !!! Man o man, the pitchforks were out, bonfires cranked up, tar and feathers were being scouted out, even pics of Justin Beiber were being handed out. Not to mention H9 had his circus midgets all doped up on espresso and ready to rumble.

Dammit, where's the windex? This one made me spew coffee all over my screen....

Obsession18

I have to agree with VR3 as it pertains to a Pioneer Elite AVR versus a separate preamp. I was using a VSX-21TXH for both HT and 2 channel. I recently added a Cambridge Audio 840E Azur preamp for 2 channel and it was a night and day difference, I was shocked. The 840E has HT bypass so it was easy to intergrate into my system.

I don't dought that a better AVR such as a unit from NAD would probably narrow the gap, but the Pioneer sucked for 2 channel looking back. Another thing to remember you get what you pay for, the 840E cost 3 times as much as the Pioneer.

pearsall001

Look you clowns...just pony up & get an NAD AVR & call it a day. No need to cry over separates. :cheesygrin::cheesygrin:

heiney9

pearsall001 wrote: »

Look you clowns...just pony up & get an NAD AVR & call it a day. No need to cry over separates. :cheesygrin::cheesygrin:

Still waiting for a response to my questions, because I am curious.

And in this rig which the NAD is better as a pre compared to the other higher end pre's you have owned, the set-up and components were exactly the same? If not, then you don't know if the other pre's in the same set-up aren't still an improvement over the NAD.

No one is denying that you think your rig sounds fantastic, but if all the things you've done to improve the room, digital correction, high end tube, high end cable weren't present when you had your other pre-amps, then how can you say the NAD sounds better as a pre comparatively? You can't.

H9

steveinaz

In a rebelious response to this thread, I replaced my passive/amp combo with a Grand Prix 16watt receiver, all 3 1/2lbs of it. I'm rick rollin' as we speak.

sda2mike

the best receivers are separates internally:cheesygrin:

FTGV

brgman wrote: »

BTW,do cables matter in a hifi system?

I can prove with 99.9 % accuracy in a DBT that I find my system sounds better when I use cables.

cstmar01

pietro944 wrote: »

Well said....It starts with "Synergy"...then "Everything Matters"...and you end up with "The Emperor's New Clothes".However,as long as there are people willing to challenge the tin-pot dictators on this site,newbies won't be scared off

For the love of god. Seriously, this forum helped me so much get away from the thought HT AVR's were all that and to go to a 2 channel set up.

I'm sick and tired of your BS about how everyone here is so wrong because we tell people that everything matters. Well sorry but it does. We tried it and we heard differences and want to help others. Just because you don't want to try anything or listen doesn't mean others are wrong.

Honestly to this day I'm happy I took the plunge into 2 channel pre and amp. My SC05 never sounded right for music. It just didn't have life to it, yeah it was better than the Yammy I used before but still wasn't as good as my 2 channel is now.

In the end just listen. Some of us want to further our experience with gear and get the most out of it. Others just want a system that they can live with. In the end, if I wasn't pushed by some here I would still be asking myself what is missing.

I'm still not done, never will be. I just have too much fun with it. Once it stops being fun, then I'll be stopping. Until then I'm sick of hearing this crap that we just feed people crap on this forum. How about this, never try anything else in life besides what you know. So that way you will never know what is out there and just say well you know, someone told me there is no differences in life so I'll just trust them.

erniejade

VR3 wrote: »

I figured I should re-enter this thread.. lol

The biggest issue with my receiver is my sweet spot for music and movies is different. I dont sit in the center of the room to watch a movie but on the couch. The receiver in direct bypass does not remove the distance settings. I also do not believe that setting removes all the processing, based on what I hear I have a hard time believing that.

As far as improving this system I am running now - this is a home theater/gaming rig I am building, music is not really my concern - I am just playing around with my new mains to see what they are about, testing the waters. I ran the Elite as preamp on the Tyler rig before and that was incredibly awful... levels of awful not known to man... that is no joke. lol

But as far as improving this rig - unlikely....

I plan in the next two years on gutting my den and going with a complete in wall home theater - from there build a completely separate 2 channel from scratch... more so testing the waters on all of these thoughts.

This thread was meant more in jest than anything - I am sure there are great receivers out there

Your right the direct mode for me on the sc27 didnt remove the reverb or the distance. On the 27, it has several memory banks for kind of this reason. i have memory bank 2 reset to default with no processing. I went in and made sure everything was flat on the manual settings including the echo and all of that. I activated the back 2 channels to make it bi amp and i get some darn good results using the 27 in bi amp mode. Is it as good as my system in the living room? no but, is it bad, no. Actually the tylers on the pioneer in bi mode with all the stuff manually turned flat sounded quite good. As did the jm labs. Dekuda has heard the jm labs before i sold them on the 27 and he was shocked.

So when i want to go back to 5:1 i just put the memory on back on 1 and all the MCACC + me tweeking it for my liking is back on.

Now i am not saying this is the end all kind of thing because its not but, you can get some good results for music but you have to do some work at it to get it all flat or disabled. Once its done though, going between memory banks is easy.
Again, no its not up to par with the Mcintosh pre - sunfire sig combo in the living room but, its not bad and quite listenable.

leroyjr1

^^^+1

I do the same thing with good results.

erniejade

cstmar01 wrote: »

I'm still not done, never will be. I just have too much fun with it. Once it stops being fun, then I'll be stopping. Until then I'm sick of hearing this crap that we just feed people crap on this forum. How about this, never try anything else in life besides what you know. So that way you will never know what is out there and just say well you know, someone told me there is no differences in life so I'll just trust them.

+ 100000000 especially "I'm still not done, never will be. I just have too much fun with it. Once it stops being fun, then I'll be stopping." I have had a lot of equipment good and bad. Part of the fun to me is trying it out and trying to match up things. You kind of keep your faves ( thats why some of us have more than 1 or 2 amps or sets of speakers ) and you sell and buy different to see what its like. To me its fun anyway. Because many times we are relying on other peopel's ears since we dont have different pieces, we buy and sell or change it up a lot. some of us regret selling certain pieces but, i think a lot of us here have gone through this cycle. We try to help people basied on our expierences with different pieces and it makes no difference if its a new or old person. There are many of us here that still either call or email or chat on here asking about certain pieces or stating their opinions about certain pieces. Will everyone agree on a piece? NOPE! That is why we always say try it. Are some people's opinion a bit "stronger" then others? you bet ya!

One thing everyone on here will agree on though is the try it out attitude. If you have the means to try it, what will it hurt type of attitude.

cstmar01 sorry to expand on your part of the thread but you hit on, to me, a big part of what this hobby is. The trying things out, seeing whats different or different sound qualities of equipment or even the physical like Mofi vs studio re-master vs flac with a dac vs lp or whatever it is. The fun of it.

Ok back to your regualr program.

mrbigbluelight

So we're all agreed.... VR3 gets himself a Realistic 12 band equalizer off of Ebay and he's good to go, right ?

As sometimes usually happens, the OP's original view/question/problem gets lost and diverted. That's not necessarily a bad thing, IMO, as 9 pages and 259 responses shows.
Lots of different opinions and paths offered; that's a good thing, that's how one learns.

Couple of points:
- Don't lump the term "Receiver" & "AVR" together. They really are different critters.
-Not all AVR "Straight Through" means "Straigt Through". Sometimes it means "Kind of Straight Through".
- A mule is nice, but pretty darn hard to get one to run in the Kentucky Derby.
-If all you can afford is a mule, be happy with it. Don't get bummed. Don't get jealous of "Man O' War" cause he's not a mule.
-If you own "Man O' War", don't get down on the mule guy.
-"Synergy" is not a bad word. It is, IMO, a HUGE factor in getting max results/buck spent. If you can get VPI results out of a Mattel Close-N-Play and wire coat hangers and an Ensignia AVR (not receiver),I say ... "Awesome ! No shite !".
Will want to verify results for myself, but .... bravo !

Now, when I'm able to shift from Plan B back to Plan A in a couple of years, I'll be concentrating on what I want to head into retirement with:
A good decent starter 2 channel rig ( tubes ! :eek:) and vinyl ( :eek::eek: ). Room to improve (part of the fun), but .... satisfying.
A fun vintage Sansui (electronics, not speaker/TT) based rig for day-to-day, sitting on the back porch plinking rabbits and having the Fox Terriers fetch.
Now, there are verrrrry experienced/knowledgable folks on here that could say, "There's better stuff out there !". Shoot, you don't have to be verrrry experienced/knowledgable folks to know they'd be right. But .... I don't care. :cheesygrin: I KNOW there's better stuff out there. But .... I want what I want. Vinyl will get washed and cleaned, to be sure, but .... "Crackles" ? That's okay. "Pops" ? No way ! I have standards. MY standards. :cheesygrin:
(BTW: I think I've figured out a few mods on a Spin-Clean that'll enable it to clean rabbits !)

Remember: it's ALL good if YOU let it !

So, in summation Your Honor ..... ooops, wrong venue :redface: .... I think we should all pencil in a date on our calendars to set aside some time to administer a sound thrashing to the OP for being such a troublemaker.

.... and perhaps a date set aside for F1 for being opinionated ! :loneranger: I, for one, appreciate it, but .... well .... I have vacation time built up and need to "Use it or Lose It".

Drenis

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

So we're all agreed....

- A mule is nice, but pretty darn hard to get one to run in the Kentucky Derby.
-If all you can afford is a mule, be happy with it. Don't get bummed. Don't get jealous of "Man O' War" cause he's not a mule.
-If you own "Man O' War", don't get down on the mule guy.
-"Synergy" is not a bad word. It is, IMO, a HUGE factor in getting max results/buck spent. If you can get VPI results out of a Mattel Close-N-Play and wire coat hangers and an Ensignia AVR (not receiver),I say ... "Awesome ! No shite !".
Will want to verify results for myself, but .... bravo !

Holy... did I ever laugh at your response especially beginning at the bolded part. I almost spit beer onto my screen.

pearsall001

So what happens when the Mule kicks the living **** out of Man O War? Not all mules are created equal! Run Man O War...run.

organ

Manowar!!!!!!!

cstmar01

erniejade wrote: »

+ 100000000 especially "I'm still not done, never will be. I just have too much fun with it. Once it stops being fun, then I'll be stopping." I have had a lot of equipment good and bad. Part of the fun to me is trying it out and trying to match up things. You kind of keep your faves ( thats why some of us have more than 1 or 2 amps or sets of speakers ) and you sell and buy different to see what its like. To me its fun anyway. Because many times we are relying on other peopel's ears since we dont have different pieces, we buy and sell or change it up a lot. some of us regret selling certain pieces but, i think a lot of us here have gone through this cycle. We try to help people basied on our expierences with different pieces and it makes no difference if its a new or old person. There are many of us here that still either call or email or chat on here asking about certain pieces or stating their opinions about certain pieces. Will everyone agree on a piece? NOPE! That is why we always say try it. Are some people's opinion a bit "stronger" then others? you bet ya!

One thing everyone on here will agree on though is the try it out attitude. If you have the means to try it, what will it hurt type of attitude.

cstmar01 sorry to expand on your part of the thread but you hit on, to me, a big part of what this hobby is. The trying things out, seeing whats different or different sound qualities of equipment or even the physical like Mofi vs studio re-master vs flac with a dac vs lp or whatever it is. The fun of it.

Ok back to your regualr program.

Thanks!

That's why I get so annoyed when people always say everything sounds the same and your spending money you don't need to spend. Trying things out and seeing what you like is half the fun. If someone has settled on a system or can't afford more expensive stuff then they shouldn't try and trash guys who do. Do you trash the guy who buys a a 100K car because you can't and tell him he's wasting his time and money? Normally no, you just let that person do as they want and you come to terms with it.

Same thing in audio. Just because YOU couldn't hear or see a difference doesn't mean that another person can't or doesn't hear. Who are you to say don't try something because your have a personal problem with it.

Oh well, some people are always entrenched in a "my world is the only world" mindset and never break free of that.

heiney9

cstmar01 wrote: »

Do you trash the guy who buys a a 100K car because you can't and tell him he's wasting his time and money? Normally no, you just let that person do as they want and you come to terms with it.

I would put money on the same people that do it here would do it for the above scenario. It's called envy and jealousy.

cstmar01 wrote: »

Just because YOU couldn't hear or see a difference doesn't mean that another person can't or doesn't hear. Who are you to say don't try something because your have a personal problem with it.

Because they want proof WE can hear the difference, even when it's offered up, they have other excuses why it's not true.

H9

erniejade

Man O War is that band still around? WOW.

leroyjr1

Looking for someone to mod my AVR. I need some audiophile components installed.

maximillian

This thread should either close or completely get off track.

Blue Jeans Cable LC-1 are nice looking. That alone is worth the $34 price tag.

erniejade

maximillian wrote: »

This thread should either close or completely get off track.

Blue Jeans Cable LC-1 are nice looking. That alone is worth the $34 price tag.

I bid 35

BlueFox

leroyjr1 wrote: »

Looking for someone to mod my AVR. I need some audiophile components installed.

Change the fuse.

maximillian

^ Starting new...

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue22/isoclean.htm

Turbota

maximillian wrote: »

^ Starting new...

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue22/isoclean.htm

Can you imagine needing a box that big just to send somebody a 1.5" long fuse!

:eek: shakes head !