The reason why receivers cant work for two channel music reproduction

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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited May 2012
    erniejade wrote: »
    Man O War is that band still around? WOW.

    Yup. New album coming next month. I saw them live back in 2006. They brought their own speakers for the concert. They said the house sound system can't handle the power of Manowar lol.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2012
    Do they (Manowar) mostly play ****- leather venues ? Damn fine cod pieces & chaps they're rockin' out in on that cover art that was posted ! :lol:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,418
    edited May 2012
    If they did, I bet you would pay a fortune for a backstage pass.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2012
    Yeah sure.....for me and.....your Mama!
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2012
    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87A_XQCK6Ys
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,418
    edited May 2012
    Wow man... that's the best you got? I guess you should stay in your little closet until you get your head out of the southern end of that northbound mule you have... :cheesygrin::wink:
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited May 2012
    Well, that album cover was from 1987. So it did look pretty tough back then lol.
    Also, let's not forget. The whole tight leather thing which is the trademark look for metal was started by a **** man (Rob Halford of Judas Priest) which he had taken from the **** S&M scene.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2012
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Wow man... that's the best you got? I guess you should stay in your little closet until you get your head out of the southern end of that northbound mule you have... :cheesygrin::wink:

    Reply made in a "zesty" PM
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2012
    Waiting for some more moon stories........
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,418
    edited May 2012
    gdb wrote: »
    Reply made in a "zesty" PM
    I find SpagettiO's more "zesty" than your PM. Give it a rest, man... All this petty crap ain't worth the time to type it out.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2012
    You'd do well to take your own advice there sport.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited May 2012
    I gave seperates a whirl, for a year of test listening to different set-ups. They did NOTHING for me. I like the sound I get from my SC-05. It works well with my STS's.
    I would never make the claim, as a matter of fact, otherwise. That's just how I HEAR IT!
    If the 'seperate-ist' want to look down their elitest noses, fine by me.
    Don't fookin' care:cool:
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited May 2012
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    .. All this petty crap ain't worth the time to type it out.
    Thats laughable coming from you.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2012
    obieone wrote: »
    I gave seperates a whirl, for a year of test listening to different set-ups. They did NOTHING for me. I like the sound I get from my SC-05. It works well with my STS's.
    I would never make the claim, as a matter of fact, otherwise. That's just how I HEAR IT!
    If the 'seperate-ist' want to look down their elitest noses, fine by me.
    Don't fookin' care:cool:


    YaY !!! tell em !!!!! (I've got both and love both !)
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,124
    edited May 2012
    I own several recievers non avr's and a couple of avrs not to metion a few integrated amps which do a fine job of two channel reproduction. The avrs not as much, but the other ones do just fine. I finally got some SDA's two pair of CRs+s and have them hooked up temporary to one of my integrateds and they sound great, however I'am saving money for some seperates to power my CRS+s and will ask advice on which seperates that all of you recomend for those once I save some more coin. I cant wait for that time to come but, right now I'am enjoying what I got.
    Home Theater
    Parasound Halo A 31 OnkyoTX-NR838 Sony XBR55X850B 55" 4K RtiA9 Fronts CsiA6 Center RtiA3 Rears FxiA6 Side Surrounds Dual Psw 111's Oppo 105D Signal Ultra Speaker Cables & IC's Signal Magic Power Cable Technics SL Q300 Panamax MR4300 Audioquest Chocolate HDMI Cables Audioquest Forest USB Cable

    2 Channel
    Adcom 555II Vincent SA-T1 Marantz SA 15S2 Denon DR-M11 Clearaudio Bluemotion SDA 2.3tl's (Z) edition MIT Terminator II Speaker Cables & IC's Adcom 545II Adcom Gtp-450 Marantz CD5004 Technics M245X SDA 2B's, SDA CRS+

    Stuff for the Head
    JD LABS C5 Headphone Amplifier, Sennheiser HD 598, Polk Audio Buckle, Polk Audio Hinge, Velodyne vPulse, Bose IE2, Sennheiser CX 200 Street II, Sennheiser MX 365

    Shower & Off the beaten path Rigs
    Polk Audio Boom Swimmer, Polk Audio Urchin B)
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited May 2012
    That Man O War album art work looks a lot like KISS's Destroyer album art work..

    kiss_destroyer.jpg
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  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited May 2012
    I have been looking at a Belles preamp to go with the Belles one amp, just wondering if their will be a improvement over a nad t743 receiver for two channel?Every step seems to be a little better.What do you guys think?
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  • bmbguy
    bmbguy Posts: 416
    edited May 2012
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    That Man O War album art work looks a lot like KISS's Destroyer album art work..

    I looked back at that Man O War cover -- and then had to double-check that they weren't spelling out Y-M-C-A. First glances can be deceiving.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2012
    Oldfatdogs wrote: »
    I have been looking at a Belles preamp to go with the Belles one amp, just wondering if their will be a improvement over a nad t743 receiver for two channel?Every step seems to be a little better.What do you guys think?

    It's worth a shot to hear for yourself. My NAD T765 is remaining in my system after I did a head to head with a Conrad Johnson PV14L tube pre & a Krell 250a SS pre, both with the HT bypass feature. The NAD design team really takes music seriously & it shows.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited May 2012
    The NAD design team really takes music seriously & it shows.
    I have to say the nad doesn't sound bad at all,its staying and will go in a different room.
    Im still playing and enjoying each change.
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  • hertz9753
    hertz9753 Posts: 310
    edited May 2012
    We need a dog lifting it's leg smiley.:smile:
    AVR-Onkyo TX-NR808
    Front amp-Adcom GFA 555>Polk Audio LSi9's(Vr3 Castle Mods)
    Center amp-Adcom GFA 5400>Polk Audio LSi9 bi-wired(Vr3 Castle Mod)
    Surrounds-Polk Audio F/X500's<Onkyo TX-NR808
    Sub-Velodyne SPL-1000R
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,965
    edited May 2012
    Oldfatdogs wrote: »
    I have been looking at a Belles preamp to go with the Belles one amp, just wondering if their will be a improvement over a nad t743 receiver for two channel?Every step seems to be a little better.What do you guys think?

    Belles makes some nice musical pre's for 2 channel, would be worth a look see for a deal here and there. Definately don't count out other contenders either. Just like there's a difference between a 400 buck avr and a 2000 buck one, the same holds true in pre amps, they get better as you move up the chain. How much better, only your ears can judge. I think a tubed pre may be up your alley like a used Dared sl2000, to go along with that belles amp. Just my opinion of coarse.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited May 2012
    Tony, I think I found the pre that came out around the same time as the Belles one.If that doesn't pan out I think the Dared sl2000 is next up for a listen.You put that bug in my ear a wile back so I have been doing alot of reading.Thanks for your input.Dan
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  • Mon40CSMM10
    Mon40CSMM10 Posts: 161
    edited October 2012
    What happens if Phase Control is disabled in addition to using Pure Direct?
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited October 2012
    Bypass it for 2 channel mode. Add a pre to it.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,804
    edited October 2012
    Not a big fan of integrated amp-tuner/receivers for serious hifi, but there have been plenty of good options over the decades since the integrated hifi amp and tuner format as we know it was introduced by harman/kardon in the mid 1950s. A smattering of respectable options...

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    :-p OK maybe the subjects of those those last two scans were a little over the top...
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited October 2012
    Well, mhardy, you sure ripped that bandaid off in one swell foop ! Cue the "stellar" folks ! :lol:
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