The reason why receivers cant work for two channel music reproduction
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You've omitted the all-important part, "to me".
**I've not been on Club Polk very long yet I'm truly saddened by the amount of elitism and closed-mindedness I've observed here coming from certain members. It is for this reason I've limited my participation in this forum. Finding this thread particularly in need for clarification, I chose to participate. During the discussion I've been told: Some of my gear is not "audiophile grade" (whatever that is); receivers "suck"; and finally the above statement that [my amp] "doesn't sound great at all."
Well gentlemen- the only thing that sucks around here is the attitude of a few of which I've had more than enough. With that I think I'll be moving along.
Hmm....so you'd stay as long as everyone agrees with you ? Is that the ticket ? While nobody likes their baby being called ugly, many will still have opinions opposite of yours, mine, or anothers. Discusion is good, may not always fall in your favor or along your mindset, but at least there's an avenue to explore without everyone having to agree with each other.
Besides, you really care if someone doesn't like your gear ? Your the one that listens to it, why should you care what others think as long as your happy with it ? I mean really, your feelings are hurt on an internet forum ? Well, good luck to you finding another that is all peaches and cream where everyone thinks the same way as you.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I am actually looking to buy a new/used receiver as an upgrade to what I already own; now, which ones should I avoid again?? :cheesygrin:So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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I am actually looking to buy a new/used receiver as an upgrade to what I already own; now, which ones should I avoid again?? :cheesygrin:
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there' alotta a-holes here...and opinions! dont get hurt so easily...if you have something to say, say it...if someone doesn't agree, respect them and move on to the next thread...go take that cad for a ride:)
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A lot of a-holes?? Really?? Where??
Different opinions yes but a-holes no.. -
Apparently all of them. There isnt one ever made that is worthy of having 2 channel music played through them.I am actually looking to buy a new/used receiver as an upgrade to what I already own; now, which ones should I avoid again?? :cheesygrin:design is where science and art break even. -
funnyA lot of a-holes?? Really?? Where??
Different opinions yes but a-holes no..design is where science and art break even. -
Hmm....so you'd stay as long as everyone agrees with you ? Is that the ticket ? While nobody likes their baby being called ugly, many will still have opinions opposite of yours, mine, or anothers. Discusion is good, may not always fall in your favor or along your mindset, but at least there's an avenue to explore without everyone having to agree with each other.
Besides, you really care if someone doesn't like your gear ? Your the one that listens to it, why should you care what others think as long as your happy with it ? I mean really, your feelings are hurt on an internet forum ? Well, good luck to you finding another that is all peaches and cream where everyone thinks the same way as you.
Sorry Tony but I don't think that is not what he is saying. He is saying that basing your ABSOLUTE OPINIONS on gear pretty much based on price/name rather than practicality is doing more harm than good for the majority of the board.
While I personally prefer separates to a receiver, I do remember when I had a Denon receiver hooked up to to separate amps for power and I enjoyed it just as much as I now enjoy my separates.
All of you who have moved on to what YOU consider bigger & better have chosen to forget where you started, which more than likely was not where you are now. And I just bet if some had decided to trash your starter gear you would have been just as rightly offended, since it certainly didn't mean that they were right then or that you are right now that you are doing it!
Like it or not, the majority of people have to make do with just one system for both music & movies, and the best most economical way to do this is with a receiver & separate amp. But some can't even do that, but they enjoy their system just the same. And to read some of the insults and condecsending crap spouted in this thread is just wrong.
I have no problem encouraging people to maybe increase their budgets to get something a bit better, I absolutely draw the line at putting down "Consumer Grade" gear like it should be avoided at all cost. Phil called it right on the money, some of you are doing more harm than good.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
A lot of a-holes?? Really?? Where??
Different opinions yes but a-holes no..
my bad:) i meant to do a play on the old saying, 'opinions are like a-holes'...this place is graet! there's only a couple a-holes;) -
Sorry Tony but I don't think that is not what he is saying. He is saying that basing your ABSOLUTE OPINIONS on gear pretty much based on price/name rather than practicality is doing more harm than good for the majority of the board.
While I personally prefer separates to a receiver, I do remember when I had a Denon receiver hooked up to to separate amps for power and I enjoyed it just as much as I now enjoy my separates.
All of you who have moved on to what YOU consider bigger & better have chosen to forget where you started, which more than likely was not where you are now. And I just bet if some had decided to trash your starter gear you would have been just as rightly offended, since it certainly didn't mean that they were right then or that you are right now that you are doing it!
Like it or not, the majority of people have to make do with just one system for both music & movies, and the best most economical way to do this is with a receiver & separate amp. But some can't even do that, but they enjoy their system just the same. And to read some of the insults and condecsending crap spouted in this thread is just wrong.
I have no problem encouraging people to maybe increase their budgets to get something a bit better, I absolutely draw the line at putting down "Consumer Grade" gear like it should be avoided at all cost. Phil called it right on the money, some of you are doing more harm than good.
Ditto , nicely put. I believe the few a$$h@les need to check themselves at the door or go back out it.Dan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time. -
+1 Cathy everybody has their own wants and needsHome Theater
Onkyo PR-SC5508 Sharp LC-70LE847U
Emotiva XPA-5 Emotiva XPA-2 Emotiva UPA-2
Front RTi-A9 Wide RTi-A7 Center CSi-A6 Surround FXi-A6 Rear RTi-A3 Sub 2x PSW505
Sony BDP-S790 Dishnetwork Hopper/Joey Logitech Harmony One Apple TV
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Oppo 105D BAT VK-500 w/BatPack SDA SRS 2.3 Dreadnought Squeezebox Touch Apple TV -
^^ agree with the last few statements.design is where science and art break even.
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As I alluded to in an earlier post.......on the whole, and for the most part, Polk speakers were and are.........consumer grade. Pardon me for saying so but, there are a number of Polk models that I would steer a potential buyer away from. I think "hoighty toighty" attitudes and insults belong on another forum for a more sophisticated speaker brand. (Sonus F. etc) that "demands" receiverless, hi-end gear. That said, I don't ever see a future w/out SDAs for me ! (and my lowly,stinkin', unworthy Carver crap !)
PS: Caddyman, please don't let a few pompous jerks run you off so easily, there's plenty of approachable, really great folks on here !! 
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i ran a marantz 2270 with my 2b's for quite awhile...i really thought i couldn't improve what i had..thought it was the pinnacle of hi fidelity..if anyone said anything different, sure i might have gotten a coupla ruffled feathers...that went away after a good listen...the i bought a bigger house...much bigger...so the wealth of info i GET here was put to good use...i bought an adcom gfa 555 and used the marantz as the pre...my hifi life changed for good that day....then the tube pre..that was an incredible jump up...then the TL mod...and pepster's cables are in there too....i still have my marantz, working the bedroom...it's still a work of art to me...the 2btl's flat out sing like a live concert, loud and clear when you put some good old-fashioned current to them....i wouldn't go back...but i think steven stills said, 'love the one you're with'....don't let someone else tell you what's gonna make you happy...that's my longest ramble ever
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You've omitted the all-important part, "to me".
**I've not been on Club Polk very long yet I'm truly saddened by the amount of elitism and closed-mindedness I've observed here coming from certain members. It is for this reason I've limited my participation in this forum. Finding this thread particularly in need for clarification, I chose to participate. During the discussion I've been told: Some of my gear is not "audiophile grade" (whatever that is); receivers "suck"; and finally the above statement that [my amp] "doesn't sound great at all."
Well gentlemen- the only thing that sucks around here is the attitude of a few of which I've had more than enough. With that I think I'll be moving along.
Cathy, Cathy......simply opinions girl.
It's no secret we have members on different playing fields in the audio game so obviously there will always be points of contention between the levels of play. Like none of use are aware of this ? Yeah, some members come off as gruff I guess you can call it, but asshats are far and few between.
What do we always say around here ? Let your ears be the judge...yes ?? If that means a receiver for 2 channel, then rock on. Does that mean it's the best ? Not to you or me but to that one person it may very well be. So ?? Who cares, right ? Thats the value of this forum, with so many on different levels, advice to seek better is always available but it never negates, or shouldn't anyway, the level of enjoyment found at any level. When someones opinion isn't condusive to yours, you pick up your ball and go home ? Are we in 3rd grade again ? Thats the problem I have with Caddy's post. He takes opinions too seriously when in the end, others opinions mean squat. You listen to what you want, on what you want, and as long as your happy, none of these other opinions matter much.
Keeping things in perspective, this is an internet forum, so some thicker skin is needed to flourish. God knows we have had these arguements 100 times over in the last 12 years and usually gets rehashed everytime a blanket statement is tossed out the window.
Personal attacks, agreed....does the forum no good. Opinions on the other hand have value if based on experience anyway.
Receivers...seperates....equal to....maybe.....lets just say some agree to disagree and leave it at that.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I believe the few a$$h@les need to check themselves at the door or go back out it.
So, you'll be leaving us now.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I guess i'm a snob or an elitist for saying this but-
AVR's are made to watch Batman and Finding Nemo.
Seperates are made to listen to music.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
I’M OFFENDED!!!! -
"Stellar" sound from an AVR/receiver......I'm still shaking my head over that one. Good perhaps even decent is certainly possible, but boys and girls let's be real here, stellar isn't happening.brgman wrote:I guess i'm a snob or an elitist for saying this but-
You forgot a$$hole
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I don't think anybody can make a sweeping statement either way. A new AVR with newer audio chips may sound way better than some separates, especially at this day and age when hi-res digital music is on the rise. To say AVR's are not made for listening to music is too stereo-type of a statement.Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
Living room:
LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
Bedroom:
Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
Other rooms:
Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000 -
Tony, I agree that it is all opinion. However, it is the tone and how that opinion is voiced that makes or breaks it. If it can't be done in a polite, & respectful way, or even just putting a IMHO on it, then how is it going to be of help?Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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Dan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time. -
[You forgot a$$hole[/QUOTE]
I think everyone already knows that lol!Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
I’M OFFENDED!!!! -
"Stellar" sound from an AVR/receiver......I'm still shaking my head over that one. Good perhaps even decent is certainly possible, but boys and girls let's be real here, stellar isn't happening.
C'mon, Jesse - it's just an adjective!
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mdaudioguy wrote: »C'mon, Jesse - it's just an adjective!
Yep it says stellar sound so it must be.
Nevermind...Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
I’M OFFENDED!!!! -
Tony, I agree that it is all opinion. However, it is the tone and how that opinion is voiced that makes or breaks it. If it can't be done in a polite, & respectful way, or even just putting a IMHO on it, then how is it going to be of help?
You're exactly right Cathy, everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. It's in the elitest, & snobish way that some deliver it. They try to make it sound that's it impossible to have a great (or stellar) sounding system unless you have the type of gear, cables, etc. they are running. Which of course we know is total nonsence. However a new member who is a novice to our hobby looking for knowledge will be out of here lickedy split when confronted with this type of responses. We veterans know what's up with them & just throw the crap back in their faces, but a novice will be scared off. Not at all good in trying to grow the community."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
pearsall001 wrote: »You're exactly right Cathy, everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. It's in the elitest, & snobish way that some deliver it. They try to make it sound that's it impossible to have a great (or stellar) sounding system unless you have the type of gear, cables, etc. they are running. Which of course we know is total nonsence. However a new member who is a novice to our hobby looking for knowledge will be out of here lickedy split when confronted with this type of responses. We veterans know what's up with them & just throw the crap back in their faces, but a novice will be scared off. Not at all good in trying to grow the community.
Well said....It starts with "Synergy"...then "Everything Matters"...and you end up with "The Emperor's New Clothes".However,as long as there are people willing to challenge the tin-pot dictators on this site,newbies won't be scared off -
Tony, I agree that it is all opinion. However, it is the tone and how that opinion is voiced that makes or breaks it. If it can't be done in a polite, & respectful way, or even just putting a IMHO on it, then how is it going to be of help?
I can agree to that Cath, but human interaction can get emotional be it in person or on an internet forum. Some civility might be in order. We have many characters/personalities around here, it's very easy to take things the wrong way. If these conversations were to take place in person, I think a whole new perspective may apply here. Also, that lends itself to having some thicker skin in these debates, as it's often times too easy to offend without meaning to do so. But, your right, some civility is in order, things do tend to spiral out of control rather quickly.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Well said....It starts with "Synergy"...then "Everything Matters"...and you end up with "The Emperor's New Clothes".However,as long as there are people willing to challenge the tin-pot dictators on this site,newbies won't be scared off
AHHH....I see, is this not doing the same in reverse ?HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
F1NUT made a comment, he used the word "stellar", and everyone went off the deep end. Stellar is a subjective word, means different things to different people. Stellar could be an old Sears receiver and a pair of Bose speakers to some, yet others wouldn't have that in a garage setup. Many play on different levels in audio, some of you take this too seriously, too personal, because in the end it means diddly squat what others think.
Can we be more civil around here ? Sure, you won't get an arguement from me there. But advice comes on many different levels in a forum such as this. Even among the most experienced, it can be all over the map. Doesn't negate anyone elses opinion, but only serves as a path for one to seek out should it be the one most appealing.
Some will dance to their own tune, listen, make decisions that are right for themselves and their wallet. Others need to follow the pack, do what everyone else is doing, buy what they are buying. Nothing wrong with that. We are all wired different.
Phil is a perfect example. Sorry pal, gonna use you here. Having known Phil and his gear changes over the years, he dances to his own tune. He's had some nice pre amps, amps, speakers, grace his home and and has decided on a path thats right for him regardless of what others may think. Thats the ticket gents, thats being on your own personal journey to audio nirvana. It may not be mine, Jessie's, H9's, or anyone elses, but it's Phils journey, and thats the end game. Some of us may or maynot agree with Phil, but who cares.....Phil sure doesn't. I for one respect that.
Cathy does the same thing, she knows what makes her happy and follows it. What does all this have to do with receivers and seperates, elites, audio snobbs so to speak ? It means that Phil and Cathy as examples would not be in the place they are had they not decided to try different things. Which is all really myself, H9, F1nut, try to encourage around here. Sure, tone could be tamed down a bit, but it's all good advice. You just need to pick the one thats right for you is all.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I am wondering if anybody can hear the music over all this arguing?Too much **** to list....
