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How's this for a brush guard? :cool:nothing nutty, I put a go industries "big tex" brushguard on the front. One of those guards that are more than just for looks. Got a trifold toneau cover and a gm duraliner in it.
next is the gear swap.......cant see me going to big on tires, not my style so 3.73 most likely, though I cant see 3.90 even on stock tires being unmanageable. I carry my "dont fear the gear" mantra over from Mustang owners. just seems like the tranny works harder than it has to with the 3.23
gotta disagree with you on the gmt900 hate, I had a 91 Sierra shortbed (gmt400) and while I loved it, the frame and chassis on the 900 really shows its improvements to me. stiffer frame, just feels more solid. Its turn in ability at high speeds kind of shocked me for a truck (lost a little of that aftr putting an 80 lb brushguard on the nose, but oh well.....still surpising)
down side is of course the increased weight. feels bigger and heavier thought the suspension handles it by keeping the body roll down to a virtual minimum. I liked the handling of the SIlverado much better than the cushy mush of the new f150. I got a reg cab long box fyi WT trim, I like my trucks simple.
no experience with the 800 line, but that slant eyed headlight look killed me..lol
You're spot on about the extra weight. From the moment I hopped behind the wheel with this bumper on, I could feel it in the way the truck accelerated, steered (or rather didn't steer), and the way it felt over bumps in the road. However, when my neighbors decide to leave their trashcan sitting in the middle of the alley, or one of those construction barrels gets placed a little too far into the lane, I've got no problem charging full-steam ahead without swerving :biggrin:
You're really gonna like that V6 after your gear swap. TBH, I didn't even know they did the V6 anymore. I thought it was just the 4.8/4L60E, 5.3/6L80E, and 6.2/6L90E engine/transmission combos. That pic shows my truck with 265/70/17s (31.5"). A 3.73 is perfect for your truck with that size tire. The 33 isn't that much bigger (it's actually a 32.8" to get technical), but my family has some land out in west TX, and the small lift combined with a slightly larger tire is necessary for a LWB vehicle to get through some of the terrain.
After thinking on it, I suppose I see why we have slightly different views on the lines. My Tahoe was highly modified, with a reinforced frame, modified suspension, and a completely new powertrain. The only thing "factory" about it was... the steering wheel... That's seriously the only thing I can think of that I didn't change in one way or another...
Also, while the 900s have an initially better suspension, the powertrain execution is "meh". First off, the throttle response has gone COMPLETELY down the crapper, starting in '03 and getting worse with each model year. It literally took my engine .75s to respond to me slamming my foot on the gas when I was about to get broadsided the other day. In my Tahoe, even before the mods, that crap never happened. The moment I touched the gas was the moment I started accelerating.
Also, they shouldn't be trying to pawn off trucks that have a 4-speed and a 3.23. Even the meager little 4.8 or 4.3 would match up well with the 6 speed. I get that they put the 3.23 in for "emission" reasons, but I believe the extended cab trucks still get a 3.42. Why they don't do that in the crew cabs (the heaviest in the light duty lineup and the one the needs it most) is beyond me. They should either ditch the 4-speed or the 3.23... or both lol. The 6 gives you the launch capabilities of a 4L60E/4.11 combo and the cruising capabilities of a 4L60E/3.23 combo, so you don't have to tradeoff accel for econ or vice versa. I'm going to stop ranting about it though and move on
Insofar as the GMT800s go, I will openly say that my '03 burb was a big piece and I should've filed it under lemon law for a repeatedly failing transmission (it toasted 4 times, and that was without any powertrain upgrades). However, my '04 Yukon XL 2500 was a rock-solid monster. AsSiMiLaTeD was the only Polkie who got the pleasure of seeing it. Funny thing about it was that even though it had the 8.1L, its gas mileage was hardly lower than my Suburban's, but it accelerated like it was running on jetfuel. Passing on the highway was accomplished without even leaving 4th. I never owned one of the slanted headlight 04-06.5 Chevys. I preferred the GMC front end anyway, which is what steered me toward the Yukon XL 2500 instead of the Suburban 2500.
What engine's in that Ford? It's been ages since I've got behind the wheel of a Ford light duty. I've driven 250s, 350s, and Excursions many a time, but I dunno the last time I even touched a 150.
And I love how, through all of this madness, you and I can manage to carry on a convo about our trucks
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You bash me in this post for not being objective. However, others here have posted perfectly valid statistics to back up my claims, yet you choose to dismiss them because they don't support your viewpoint. It is obvious here that you are the one who chooses to ignore and dismiss objective evidence.But, they don't. They are just about even. The problem is that for many years, Ford and GM outproduced Toyota and Honda by drastic amounts. When you look at the actual statistics, for all the many thousands of people that Ford and GM affected with bad cars, their error rates were right there with Toyota and Honda. The problem is that for a very long time there were 5 Fords for every Honda on the road and 10 GM's for every Toyota on the road. That's changed recently but that's not the point.
When you have Toyota making 10 Toyotas with a 10% error rate, only one poor sap has a bad Toyota. But if GM is making 10 GM's for every Toyota, that means there are 10 poor saps with bad GM's. So the 1, singular guy who has a bad Toyota goes and **** on an Internet forum about what a pile of garbage it is. But nobody listens because there' a GM assbag bitching about how much his GM sucks with 9 others agreeing with him and 90 others disagreeing. Mean while, the 9 other Toyota owners get all smug and smug around in their smugness and Jesus-car Prii about how great they are.
When you get down to the numbers though, it's all the same. If you want to say GM makes nothing but crap, well, statistically, so does Toyota in that respect. If you want to say that Honda makes great cars well, statistically, so does Ford.
But go ahead and keep using your anecdotal evidence, based on your individual experience with 1 car out of millions made by the company of your choosing to dismiss the entire company as a bunch of evil shysters 'cause people will listen and validate your opinion by agreeing with you. Some will argue too. The best part is, your personal experience is incomplete, likely remembered incorrectly and tells us nothing of what you consider "proper maintenance" vs. "abuse". So we are left to your maniacal rantings and passing off personal opinion as irrefutable fact. Which, in actuality, isn't actually irrefutable but since it's your opinion and you can spin it any what you want, those trying to argue against your mutating standpoint will never gain any ground because the target keeps moving. I realize this can make your argument seem irrefutable but in reality it's just circular logic laced with logical fallacies.
But I'm a "know-it-all" jerk with a penchant for American brands because I disagree with your statements, can form a cohesive and valid argument backed up by actual facts that don't jive with any of your personal stories and you're just gonna be mad at me because I'm looking at the whole thing objectively and pointing out where and why your subjective view is flawed.
It is perfectly fine if you don't want to accept the objective evidence. However, it is extremely hypocritical of you to berate others for being non-objective when, in reality, you are non-objective.
In addition, I would have been happy to post statistics to back up my claims, but others were kind enough to do that for me. Thank you to those that did so!
As for subjective evidence, there is nothing wrong with that. I never claimed that my situation with my Ford Explorer was anything else. In fact, it isn't even the unreliability of that car that bothers me, but rather the fact that Ford chose to turn a blind eye to the situation. As for your assumption that this is an isolated experience, I encourage you to do a Google search, or even call a transmission shop in your area and ask them about 91-94 Ford Explorer transmissions.
In regards to to your question regarding maintenance on the car, it was very well taken care of. It had regular fluid changes, and not just oil like many car owners tend to do. It regularly had its coolant, power steering fluid and brake fluid changed. It also received extensive brake maintenance over the years, and of course regular filter changes. Unfortunately, I never got the opportunity to change the transmission fluid outside of transmission rebuilds since the longest it lasted between rebuilds was ~30,000 miles. This was significantly less than the recommended interval for transmission fluid changes.
Also since I'm sure it will be brought up, the car was never driven harshly or taken off-road. For most of its life, it was driven by my mother who drove the car very lightly, and primarily back and forth to work. I will admit that I am more moderate in terms of how I accelerate and brake, but still nothing that would even come close to anyone's definition of abuse.
The sad thing is, aside from the transmission, the car ran flawlessly. If the transmission weren't going out for the 4th time, I would have kept it for a lot longer. There were some things that I really miss about the car, including how comfortable the seats were. -
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How's this for a brush guard? :cool:
Also, while the 900s have an initially better suspension, the powertrain execution is "meh". First off, the throttle response has gone COMPLETELY down the crapper, starting in '03 and getting worse with each model year. It literally took my engine .75s to respond to me slamming my foot on the gas when I was about to get broadsided the other day. In my Tahoe, even before the mods, that crap never happened. The moment I touched the gas was the moment I started accelerating.
Thats not just a brushguard, thats a full bumper replacement with the brushguard built in..........and Im sure that makes the handling drop far more pronounced than mine......thats just insane..lol. Actually, looks like the same company that made mine as they do full bumper replacements as well, but that seems normally reserved for cattlemen/ranchers that deal with cows and ****. I attached a photo of mine, meaty....but not too obnoxious
That "meh" feeling in the drivetrain is the electronic throttle over the cable throttle.........I have the same annoyance with the Mustang as well (4.6l v8 and a significantly modded suspension, enough to get me in trouble) I got a tune that helped ALOT in the Mustang and might do so with the truck down the road when I get the gears. Its funny, the gear issue doesnt bother me all the time but once in while there will be a downshift (or lack thereoff) that makes me go "WTF?!?!"
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I am not "bashing" you. I am pointing out the absurdity of your argument.
I am being completely objective. I have not come down on one side of the fence or the other.
You have offered absolutely no statistics or statistically backed evidence. The source of your "evidence" is anecdotes (i.e.: stories) from your family about how awful your vehicles were. It's hearsay and isn't factual because you have not related the entire story. Even though you think you have. You have given no guidelines on what you consider actual evidence and you cannot back it up with any kind of study or methodology for collecting said "evidence". It's not statistical at all and based solely on subjective "evidence" put forth in stories. There is nothing objective about any of your evidence. You and your family, even if there are a hundred of you, do not matter a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things. You do not compose enough opinions to be considered a sample set of a population in the millions and therefore are not representative of the population as a whole.
I am being entirely objective. I'm also being dismissive of your argument because there isn't actually an argument there. You're not the first genius on the Internet to postulate the quality of an entire corporation's historical and present output on the experience they've had with one example from that company. It's actually a logical fallacy. You're also not the first person I've told that their stories don't matter and that their argument is bunk. So don't think you're special.
Have a good, butthurt kinda day! You're the bestest!Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Well this thread started out about warranty by GM, they just replaced a motor mount on 07 buick no problem.
By the way I also own a 1995 ford bronco, Towed big boats all over the state with it. Never a major repair.
I really like both of them. My 4th buick and 2nd bronco. 1st bronco had over 250,000miles on it thats why I got the 2nd one. -
Correct. I did not in my first post, but would have been happy to if others had not already done so. However others did post valid and objective statistics which you hastily dismissed. Therefore, it is clear that you are unable to be objective regarding this.I am not "bashing" you. I am pointing out the absurdity of your argument.
I am being completely objective. I have not come down on one side of the fence or the other.
You have offered absolutely no statistics or statistically backed evidence.
Indeed my anecdote regarding my Ford Explorer was entirely subjective and did not denote any sort of widespread statistics or evidence. I never claimed it. In fact, I emphasized in my last post that it was subjective. Therefore, you are wasting your breath with this continued rant about it since we agree on that. It seems you are just trying to rile me up, but you will not succeed in doing so.The source of your "evidence" is anecdotes (i.e.: stories) from your family about how awful your vehicles were. It's hearsay and isn't factual because you have not related the entire story. Even though you think you have. You have given no guidelines on what you consider actual evidence and you cannot back it up with any kind of study or methodology for collecting said "evidence". It's not statistical at all and based solely on subjective "evidence" put forth in stories. There is nothing objective about any of your evidence. You and your family, even if there are a hundred of you, do not matter a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things. You do not compose enough opinions to be considered a sample set of a population in the millions and therefore are not representative of the population as a whole.
Your dismissal of valid statistics that others have provided clearly indicates otherwise.I am being entirely objective.
To reiterate, I am fully aware that my anecdote is not a valid statistic, nor is it anything more than my personal experience. Capisce?I'm also being dismissive of your argument because there isn't actually an argument there. You're not the first genius on the Internet to postulate the quality of an entire corporation's historical and present output on the experience they've had with one example from that company. It's actually a logical fallacy. You're also not the first person I've told that their stories don't matter and that their argument is bunk. So don't think you're special.
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You too!
I'm not butthurt at all, sweet cheeks. I think you think you are smarter than you actually are. Mainly because you keep using words that I don't think you really know what they mean.
If anything, I'm resisting the urge to go scorched earth on you and mock you as politely as I can because Ron P fears words and you'll just cry and report me for being a bad, bad man.
So no, not butthurt at all. Honestly, I'm laughing.
But I'm hungry so I'm gonna go cram my gaping maw full of fried cheese, meat and potatoes on some bread and wash it down with a tall, cool glass of root beer. Hopefully, you'll be all pissy again by the time I get back so I can have an after-lunch floor show too!Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Good to hear!I'm not butthurt at all, sweet cheeks.
I know exactly what I said throughout this thread, and I stand by it.I think you think you are smarter than you actually are. Mainly because you keep using words that I don't think you really know what they mean.
Don't hold back on my account. I won't get offended nor will I report you. In fact, I've never reported anybody on any of the many message boards that I have been on throughout the years. I believe that everyone is entitled to speak their mind. I've also never put anyone on an ignore list.If anything, I'm resisting the urge to go scorched earth on you and mock you as politely as I can because Ron P fears words and you'll just cry and report me for being a bad, bad man.
I'm glad you are enjoying yourself. I am as well.So no, not butthurt at all. Honestly, I'm laughing.
Sounds good, enjoy!But I'm hungry so I'm gonna go cram my gaping maw full of fried cheese, meat and potatoes on some bread and wash it down with a tall, cool glass of root beer. Hopefully, you'll be all pissy again by the time I get back so I can have an after-lunch floor show too! -
Well this thread started out about warranty by GM, they just replaced a motor mount on 07 buick no problem.
By the way I also own a 1995 ford bronco, Towed big boats all over the state with it. Never a major repair.
I really like both of them. My 4th buick and 2nd bronco. 1st bronco had over 250,000miles on it thats why I got the 2nd one.
somebody say Bronco? :-)
This one is actually still alive and kicking in the southern 'burbs of Baltimore... being restored when last I saw it (2007). It served me and, later, my parents, well for a long time...
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That's not true at all. But since you brought it up mine is bigger.
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I have been working all these and more since I was 14 I'm now 42 (I'll let you do the math).
From the Kia to Porsche and everything inbetween. I have repaired so many that have been in crashes that I can tell you the Big 3 (opps now 2) (Chrysler is now a foriegn owned Co. Effen sell-out's) have been dropping the ball big time fast with their idea of safety and build quality. Honda has been on the bad list with rust at the rear dog leg and rear wheelwell that would rust through in less then 2ys and would never stop even with steel patches welded on. But now they fixed that problem and their build has not changed that much so they are better compaired to the Big 3 in that respect not to mention they run quiet and smooth and vertually forever. The Big 3 have been on a steep down hill slide in build quality and reliability. The Big 3 think it is the norm and they try to make you think they are there for you always by having massive recalls on vertually every model they build, I guess that is better then just getting it right the frist time or at least trying. Now the other car Co.'s do to but not as near as much. of all the Co.'s I have to work on the so called American makers have major flaws in their models that IMO some I can say are not worthly of being on the street.
It's not the Union or price of parts that are the problem it's the Millions given to each CEO (who makes the Co. no money at all) as a bonus every year that hurts the most to their bottom line and if they would just put some of the money back into their account to purchase/design better the products would be better. One CEO's bonus would pay for quite a few improvements to the parts supply. But instead they figure people will just go along with their way of thinking and people do as does/did our Govt.. Just makes me sick I want my bail-out money back or at least a free car of my choice so I can sell it.
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I want the entire company to drop down on their knees and SUCK IT!!! I think we can figure out what IT is. LOLDan
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I will admit that this has me slightly concerned with regards to my '08 CR-V. Do you know when they fixed this? Also, is there anything specific I should look for to identify this problem?dave shepard wrote: »Honda has been on the bad list with rust at the rear dog leg and rear wheelwell that would rust through in less then 2ys and would never stop even with steel patches welded on. But now they fixed that problem and their build has not changed that much so they are better compaired to the Big 3 in that respect not to mention they run quiet and smooth and vertually forever.
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Honda's do generally rust out early, but my 98 Accord is just starting to show surface rust only. For it's age, thats well on the acceptable level. I've seen american cars with rust on them before the payments are done. Not that either scenario is dead on to each,ymmv as they say.
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Just for the record, no rust whatsoever on my Chevy truck circa 2004 and I have stated the reliability record already.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Just for the record, no rust whatsoever on my Chevy truck circa 2004 and I have stated the reliability record already.
agreed, my old 91 Sierra only had rust on the brushguard, and that was aftermarket.
its not rocket science, pick a product you like and buy it.
Beef Jerky, you have a Honda, always gotta be wary of rust but dont let it panic you either. That will not be a car you road salt stay on without washing it after a patch of snow though, just sayin.
Doro, it's German dude, they'll treat you like gold in at the dealership for your first electrical glitch....dont worry about it while your taking highway off-ramps doing over 50 (you know you've done it). Good news is the German Automakers seem to be better reliability wise than about a decade ago.
thats why I keep my cars simple now, I had a Volvo S40for 2 years, loved that car, but weird electrical issues. and some swedish brain surgeon made the car stereo the brain for the entire car....making aftermarket stereos near impossible.
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I'm in Houston, so we don't really do road salt down here. :biggrin: However, that is something I will keep in mind if I move to a different area of the country. Honestly, this board is the first I've heard of the problem, but it still concerns me a bit. I know many others who own older Honda's, and none seem to have issues with rust. Maybe, it really is more of an issue in road salt parts of the country.Beef Jerky, you have a Honda, always gotta be wary of rust but dont let it panic you either. That will not be a car you road salt stay on without washing it after a patch of snow though, just sayin.
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Doro, it's German dude, they'll treat you like gold in at the dealership for your first electrical glitch....dont worry about it while your taking highway off-ramps doing over 50 (you know you've done it). Good news is the German Automakers seem to be better reliability wise than about a decade ago.
I've owned Audi's since 2001 with no major problems but who knows I guess. My total cost out of pocket in those years(2001-2011) is like $100, and that was a battery issue....the Chevy? WAY more in scheduled maintenance, since it wasn't included but $0 for warranty work. I guess you win some, lose some always applies. I can't afford to have a vehicle with no warranty and its a hassle I never worry about. The days of shade tree mechanic work is pretty much long gone for most folks, including me.
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I guess it is all related to care (undercoating, oil spray) and the area of the country you live. Your car is definitely in good (body) shape for its age (considering its a honda).Honda's do generally rust out early, but my 98 Accord is just starting to show surface rust only. For it's age, thats well on the acceptable level. I've seen american cars with rust on them before the payments are done. Not that either scenario is dead on to each,ymmv as they say.
The area you live makes a huge difference. Here in most of Canada, Honda bodies don't take long to deteriorate (mind you this has improved, not sure if it is more company improvement related or new ruling on salt used on our roads). In Canada many will invest in rust proof threatments early in the car's life and this makes a huge difference. Here in Canada, Hondas are very expensive even in the used market (keep high value) even if they have rust cancer and this has been the main reason I stayed away from them (I believe for the longest Toyota was worse).I'm in Houston, so we don't really do road salt down here. :biggrin: However, that is something I will keep in mind if I move to a different area of the country. Honestly, this board is the first I've heard of the problem, but it still concerns me a bit. I know many others who own older Honda's, and none seem to have issues with rust. Maybe, it really is more of an issue in road salt parts of the country.
Yeah, I hate when car manufacturers do that. Thankfully, going aftermarket in my CR-V was a breeze.
I had a Mazda 323 way back then and was afraid the same would apply (my friend had rust issues with his) but actually it was never an issue (I found the car was originally rustproofed) as body preventive maintenance plays a big part in the end result.
Dave thanks, an isider's insight is definitley of great value on this thread!DARE TO SOAR:
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Im a big Honda fan. Have had friends and relatives that have owned them over the years and they rave about them and they always are trouble free and seem to last forever.
I bought my first one back in 2007 and thought I wouldnt like it because it was boring. I loved that thing! Fun to drive, extremely comfortable and felt like it was bolted together by eye surgeons (stolen from Top Gear). I let my wife browbeat me into trading it in on this Edge for more room for baby strollers and I regretted it almost the instant I drove it off the lot. I will have one again soon. Just need to pay this Edge down a little more.polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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Im a big Honda fan. Have had friends and relatives that have owned them over the years and they rave about them and they always are trouble free and seem to last forever.
I bought my first one back in 2007 and thought I wouldnt like it because it was boring. I loved that thing! Fun to drive, extremely comfortable and felt like it was bolted together by eye surgeons (stolen from Top Gear). I let my wife browbeat me into trading it in on this Edge for more room for baby strollers and I regretted it almost the instant I drove it off the lot. I will have one again soon. Just need to pay this Edge down a little more.
Look at the Acura MDX if you need room, nice car. Also the lexus RX330 drives like a dream.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
If I ever moved further north where road salt was an issue, I would invest in the undercoating. The truth is, I would consider it a good investment with any car, not just Honda. However, I am glad to hear that Honda has improved in this regard.I guess it is all related to care (undercoating, oil spray) and the area of the country you live. Your car is definitely in good (body) shape for its age (considering its a honda).
The area you live makes a huge difference. Here in most of Canada, Honda bodies don't take long to deteriorate (mind you this has improved, not sure if it is more company improvement related or new ruling on salt used on our roads). In Canada many will invest in rust proof threatments early in the car's life and this makes a huge difference. Here in Canada, Hondas are very expensive even in the used market (keep high value) even if they have rust cancer and this has been the main reason I stayed away from them (I believe for the longest Toyota was worse).
I had a Mazda 323 way back then and was afraid the same would apply (my friend had rust issues with his) but actually it was never an issue (I found the car was originally rustproofed) as body preventive maintenance plays a big part in the end result.
Dave thanks, an isider's insight is definitley of great value on this thread!
