GM...again

tonyb
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edited September 2011 in The Clubhouse
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/19/gm-impala-lawsuit-idUSN1E77I0Z820110819

After taking our money to save their arse, it's only prudent to stick it to loyal customers.:rolleyes: I could have sworn I heard, from some high up official, prior to getting the coin,that GM would honor all warranties.

If telling a fib was punishable, we would have to dedicate a few states to hold them all.:tongue:
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited August 2011
    Making my decision to buy an ecoboost ford truck over a new gmc a little more complicated
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  • DMara
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    edited August 2011
    I can't believe the law would protect such unscrupulous practice :mad:
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,611
    edited August 2011
    Is it really complicated whether to buy any brand over Chevy/GM?

    Everytime I look at a Chevrolet/GMC product all I see is dated designs, interiors with incredibly poor fit and finish.

    All I am saying is - the vehicles generally are crap.
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  • Rivrrat
    Rivrrat Posts: 2,101
    edited August 2011
    exalted512 wrote: »
    Making my decision to buy an ecoboost ford truck over a new gmc a little more complicated
    -Cody

    I would think it would've made the decision considerably less complicated.

    But I'm a Ford truck guy anyway. :tongue:
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    edited August 2011
    tonyb wrote:
    I could have sworn I heard, from some high up official, prior to getting the coin,that GM would honor all warranties.
    That was mentioned and that was the "key" to help keep ongoing sales at the time, well....going.

    I drive a Chevy truck that has over 150K on it and I'm damned proud to be driving a Chevrolet that has needed no major repairs since originally purchased. While legally, they may not be responsible, morally they are. At least in my opinion. That's a lot of black marks left unchecked against a company that's trying to rebuild itself if this is not taken care of.
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    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited August 2011
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2011
    treitz3 wrote: »
    That was mentioned and that was the "key" to help keep ongoing sales at the time, well....going.

    I drive a Chevy truck that has over 150K on it and I'm damned proud to be driving a Chevrolet that has needed no major repairs since originally purchased. While legally, they may not be responsible, morally they are. At least in my opinion. That's a lot of black marks left unchecked against a company that's trying to rebuild itself if this is not taken care of.

    If you want to compete in the marketplace, you've got to have a good product. Your truck clearly shows that they can go the distance... and more. Besides the coolant issue, HVAC controls, and the electrical things you mentioned over the phone, what else did you replace?

    FWIW, the BMW 1-series interior is no better than a 2011 Chevy Malibu. At least from my experience sitting in both of them at a dealership.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,769
    edited August 2011
    Not defending the New GM on the titular issue at all... but just as a data point (from a guy who owns three Fords)... we rented a new Chevy Traverse (AWD morph) and drove it to, from, and around Charlottesville, VA a couple of weeks back. We put 1500 miles on it and really enjoyed driving and traveling in it. I also liked the fact it that it returned 23 mpg averaged over the course of the trip. It is not a small vehicle.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited August 2011
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Is it really complicated whether to buy any brand over Chevy/GM?

    Everytime I look at a Chevrolet/GMC product all I see is dated designs, interiors with incredibly poor fit and finish.

    All I am saying is - the vehicles generally are crap.
    I don't own a GM product nor do I have any plans to purchase one in the future. I have owned one, a Cavalier, and it was a hunk of junk.

    That being said, I find your comment to be an inaccurate over-generalization...
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    edited August 2011
    Serendipity wrote: »
    Besides the coolant issue, HVAC controls, and the electrical things you mentioned over the phone, what else did you replace?
    The coolant issue turned out to be a water pump that had a leak. The air bubble that it put into the cooling system wound up in the engine block, otherwise I could have easily fixed that myself. That ended up being a $90.00 repair. The HVAC controls were covered under warranty and the electrical things in the dash were covered under warranty, had I not already gone over the mileage disclaimer. This is a common issue with these trucks and it's a $100.00 fix from a company out in California [that comes with a lifetime warranty]. Other than 2 sets of tires, 3 batteries, gas and normal oil changes, nothing that I can think of off the top of my head.

    All this coming from a daily driver truck that hauled on average 10,000 pounds for 6 years, also on a daily basis. I don't think I could ask for more from a truck.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited August 2011
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Is it really complicated whether to buy any brand over Chevy/GM?

    Everytime I look at a Chevrolet/GMC product all I see is dated designs, interiors with incredibly poor fit and finish.

    All I am saying is - the vehicles generally are crap.

    Says the guy who's Ford truck is falling apart?

    Interesting.

    Fact is, between my 2 GM trucks over the course of the last 10 years, I've spent approx $300-400 on a power steering hose and a/c compressor. Both on my first truck which had over 190k miles on it when that stuff was replaced. Oh, and a door handle.

    My current truck has 70k and it had a faulty power steering pump that was replaced under warranty and an instrument cluster that was replaced under a recall. Other than that, the only thing I've spent money on the truck is for a replacement trim piece around the tail gate handle.

    My wife has a 2011 Acadia. It is the best looking v6 7-8 seater SUV out there IMO.

    I'm not a fan of the newest body style chevy trucks, but I don't dislike them either. I'm not a fan of the newer Ford's either. I hate how everything is so squared off and tonka-truck looking. But thats just my opinion. I guess that's 'in style' now. The instrument clusters do look nice though.

    Where I work, we have a fleet of almost entirely Ford vehicles. Of our 6 Taurus', 4 of them broke down within the last month. They range from 01-05.

    So why is it so hard to buy something other than GM? My experience. Your experiences may vary.
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  • dave shepard
    dave shepard Posts: 1,334
    edited August 2011
    Serendipity wrote: »

    FWIW, the BMW 1-series interior is no better than a 2011 Chevy Malibu. At least from my experience sitting in both of them at a dealership.


    I wouldn't go that far at all. You should have also given them each a good test drive and that is where the BMW would spank the Malibu hands down and really show why they are in 2 totaly differant classes.

    Dave
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,192
    edited August 2011
    No Chevy Love here , they can go out of business for all I care. If they where that good then more people would drive them and they wouldn't be in such trouble or have to be bailed out.
    Go suck it GM.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2011
    dave shepard wrote: »
    I wouldn't go that far at all. You should have also given them each a good test drive and that is where the BMW would spank the Malibu hands down and really show why they are in 2 totaly differant classes.

    Dave

    But $10k more than a Malibu? Even if the performance was twice as great I couldn't get past the cheap plastic interior.

    Edit: I did not test drive either car though.

    The interior of a 7-series was VERY nice, OTOH...
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,192
    edited August 2011
    Serendipity wrote: »
    But $10k more than a Malibu? Even if the performance was twice as great I couldn't get past the cheap plastic interior.

    Edit: I did not test drive either car though.

    The interior of a 7-series was VERY nice, OTOH...

    Chevy and BMW really don't even belong on the same road. No compare here man.
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  • quadzilla
    quadzilla Posts: 1,543
    edited August 2011
    treitz3 wrote: »
    That was mentioned and that was the "key" to help keep ongoing sales at the time, well....going.

    I drive a Chevy truck that has over 150K on it and I'm damned proud to be driving a Chevrolet that has needed no major repairs since originally purchased. While legally, they may not be responsible, morally they are. At least in my opinion. That's a lot of black marks left unchecked against a company that's trying to rebuild itself if this is not taken care of.

    Neither GM's stockholders nor lawyers give two squirts about moral obligations.
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  • bruss
    bruss Posts: 1,039
    edited August 2011
    exalted512 wrote: »
    Says the guy who's Ford truck is falling apart?

    My wife has a 2011 Acadia. It is the best looking v6 7-8 seater SUV out there IMO.

    -Cody

    +1.. we have the 2011 Buick Enclave and we love it.. Just drove it from KC to tampa and it was a dream to drive a long way..
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,611
    edited August 2011
    As far as my truck falling apart, well it fell apart from neglect and abuse - and who am I to say it could have not made it to 200,000 miles?

    We cut a tree down on to it, pulled up tree and fence posts - actually doing this the transmission would not change gears!

    All I am saying is - my truck was abused not a daily driver. I did s@#t with that truck you should not do with your truck on a regular basis... not to mention I drove it like a bat out of hell.

    All I am saying is, I can sit in a Chevy that has 30,000 miles and point out a million flaws with interior pieces not lining up, cheap plastic and an out of date interior.

    Most of my complaints with Chevy is fit and finish, they look like they are put together cheap.

    On the other hand my Ford's interior was very tight - it did start falling apart at 150,000 miles - but from 130,000 + (year and a half) it was heavily abused as a road hard work truck...

    My Scion's interior is amazing the fit and finish and how tight everything fits together... I am absolutely amazed with the car.

    I think Madmax says it best - are they better or worse? Maybe not, but you get tired of fixing the little things... like window regulars, 3rd brake lights and so on...
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2011
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    My truck has 165,000 miles on it. I change the oil every 3,000 miles - all fluids and filters (except oil, 3,000 miles there) are changed every 30,000, the spark plugs are changed every 60,000.

    So in other words I baby the **** out of my truck.

    So which one is it? You baby your truck or it was abused?

    Not that I'm saying you didn't, but it seems like an excuse for why your truck is falling apart... unless you really did "do all that stuff to your truck that you should not do on a daily basis"

    Just sayin'
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    edited August 2011
    Oh, snap!
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2011
    Looks like Chevy won.

    2004 Silverado HD > 2004 F-150

    Both with around 160,000 miles.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2011
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    I don't own a GM product nor do I have any plans to purchase one in the future. I have owned one, a Cavalier, and it was a hunk of junk.

    That being said, I find your comment to be an inaccurate over-generalization...
    Same here, bad experience with my 94 cavalier and did not by any GM products since I go rid of the the cavalier in 96 nor do I have any intention of buying any in the future (never had any love for Ford either).
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  • TouchOfEvil
    TouchOfEvil Posts: 967
    edited August 2011
    I have a 00 rcsb silverado and a 04 ecsb silverado. Both are great trucks. The 00 is a DD which hauls no less than 800lbs every single day. I towed 100 bricks in it just yesterday weighing in at 2200lbs as each stone was 22lbs each. Not a single problem doing it. This is the second time i have hauled 100 bricks at once with it. Other than normal stuff tires, belts, oil and cleaning the filter she does her job and does it very well.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,611
    edited August 2011
    Tom's truck has not seen HALF of what I did to my truck, just sayin.

    We literally for 10 hours - hooked a chain up to my truck and gunned it and it was jerked to a hault by a tree stump. We did this continuously for 10 hours until we removed the entire stump.

    We also did this same thing for about 30 fence post...

    We cut a tree down on it.

    At one point we went to put the truck in drive and it would not even change gears...

    I babied my truck before I bought a house, after I bought a house it was abused, used, and put up wet... plain and simple

    And this is just a small fraction of the absolutely stupid things we did to this truck to get things done around my house.... lol
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  • carvcom
    carvcom Posts: 240
    edited August 2011
    GM has turned into a joke, as far as I'm concerned.
    Growing up I had all Chevys, Camaro,Chevelles, Novas, even a Monza, & a few trucks.
    My last Chevy was an 2001 Blazer, very nice to drive, especially in the snow, but what a POS. Every time I fixed something, within days, something else would break.

    Then they took our(taxpayers) money & built a plant in Mexico, what a kick in the teeth.
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited August 2011
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    I don't own a GM product nor do I have any plans to purchase one in the future. I have owned one, a Cavalier, and it was a hunk of junk.

    That being said, I find your comment to be an inaccurate over-generalization...

    The Cavaliers never were a good design, IMHO

    The only worthwhile GMs I've had the pleasure of operating were heavy duty SUVs & trucks, and my '99 Tahoe. Oh, and the Corvette. But otherwise, I agree their quality leaves something to be desired.
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  • Shizelbs
    Shizelbs Posts: 7,433
    edited August 2011
    I like the fact that there is a link next to the body of the article saying that GM's profits have doubled last quarter.

    I really want to buy a Durango but I'll give my money to a car company that didn't take bailout funds instead.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,395
    edited August 2011
    I will never buy another new GM. Gov't Motors to me now. Funny to me how the Labor unions that helped to so willingly run GM into the ground and couldn't have cared less about the company are now the ones that own controlling interest in them. RR showed business how to deal with unions when he fired PATCO in the 1980's. Too bad they were to stupid to heed that lesson, or GM and the rest of the manufacturing industry might have been better off today. As the saying was... "so goes GM, so goes the nation".
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    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,273
    edited August 2011
    Shizelbs wrote: »
    I like the fact that there is a link next to the body of the article saying that GM's profits have doubled last quarter.

    Thats because they shut everything down....."you plug the holes, no more leaks"
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    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited August 2011
    I have 278,000 miles on my 89 F150 4x4. Had it since I was a sophomore in 99. It had 112,000 miles when I got it.
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