GM...again

mantis

GM go SUCK IT!!!!

exalted512

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

As far as my truck falling apart, well it fell apart from neglect and abuse - and who am I to say it could have not made it to 200,000 miles?

We cut a tree down on to it, pulled up tree and fence posts - actually doing this the transmission would not change gears!

All I am saying is - my truck was abused not a daily driver. I did s@#t with that truck you should not do with your truck on a regular basis... not to mention I drove it like a bat out of hell.

All I am saying is, I can sit in a Chevy that has 30,000 miles and point out a million flaws with interior pieces not lining up, cheap plastic and an out of date interior.

Most of my complaints with Chevy is fit and finish, they look like they are put together cheap.

On the other hand my Ford's interior was very tight - it did start falling apart at 150,000 miles - but from 130,000 + (year and a half) it was heavily abused as a road hard work truck...

My Scion's interior is amazing the fit and finish and how tight everything fits together... I am absolutely amazed with the car.

I think Madmax says it best - are they better or worse? Maybe not, but you get tired of fixing the little things... like window regulars, 3rd brake lights and so on...

I'm not trying to start a pissing contest here, but the first 130k miles on my first truck (96 gmc light duty 2500) were seen as a work truck for Asplundh, a local tree trimming company. The thing spent most of its life off road and in ditches.

I got it as a 16 y.o. kid. It was air born on multiple occasions and off-road at least once a week...at least.

Here it is buried to the axle:

and high centered:


and those are very mild in terms of what I did with that truck.

I worked as a ranch hand for half a summer and that truck got worked. Pushing around hay bales with the brush guard, pulling up fence posts, spending the whole day on rough terrain, and pulling around trailers exceeding the towing capacity.

Add in the fact that gas was cheap, I was young and dumb, and I had used tires available for me CHEAP...that thing was ragged on like no ones business.

Although I never did anything stupid like trying to yank s@#t out and jerking my truck to a stop. When we pull stuff out, especially things like fence posts, we'll hook a chain to the bottom of the fence post, put the chain over an inflated tire (not on a vehicle) and then hook the chain up to the brush guard. That way the force is pulling up and around the tire instead of at a direct angle towards your truck.

My only regret is that it wasnt 4wd.

My truck now is a complete 180 though. It's never seen any hard core off road like my old one, I'm a lot easier on the accelerator, and it's hauled stuff in the bed that's exceeded its rated capacity one time (pavers, cement, and fence posts).
-Cody

JimAckley

That's a good lookin truck Cody. I'd give anything to have my Tahoe back. It was night-and-day better than the Silverado I have now. The GMT400s and late-model GMT800s were great. The GMT900s suck unless you have the 6-speed built-up or Allison :frown:

exalted512

I have an 04 sierra now. It's mildly peppy for a 4.8...but I long for the 5.3. I get terrible mileage.

I don't plan on getting a new truck anytime soon. My bike will be paid off in April and this one will be getting some over due maintenance. I'm in need of tires, but cant afford them right now.

Well, I can, but the bike gets priority...haha. They have about 3000 miles left on them, which will be right around the time when they'll get replaced.

None of the manufacturers have what I want in a truck right now...and I've been contemplating getting a car as it is. I have access to trucks from my family and my wife's family and her Acadia can tow anything that we need. Put what I'll save from buying a truck into a nice trailer and call it a day.
-Cody

BeefJerky

I would never buy a GM product for multiple reasons:
1) What they did to the EV1
2) The "piston slap" engines
3) Shoddy interior build quality
4) Refusal to deal with valid problems with their cars

It is clear that GM is a horrible company with no ethics, and overall lousy quality. They don't deserve my (or anyone else's) money.

Mind you, I also won't buy a Ford car - not after the fiasco with the 91-94 Explorer transmissions. The transmission in my 92 Explorer had it's transmission rebuilt 3 times in it's 12 year life span with only ~110,000 miles on it. And, when I got rid of it, it was going out for a 4th time. It's not so much that there was a problem, but Ford's refusal to admit that there was even an issue. To this day they will deny the problem, and of course they will not take responsibility to fix it. Go to your local transmission shop and ask them about 91-94 Ford Explorers. After they get done laughing, they will tell you how much business they've made off of them.

I like my 2008 Honda CR-V...

gdb

Oh Yeah, well Henry Ford was an anti-semite, closet **** !:mad: I've always preferred GM vehicles.........not GM the company/corporation.

http://www.google.com/search?q=henry+ford+anti+semitic&hl=en&source=hp&aq=0&aqi=g4g-m1&aql=&oq=henry+ford+ant

BeefJerky

gdb wrote: »

Oh Yeah, well Henry Ford was an anti-semite

True, but he is also quite dead as well. He's bleedin' demised! He's passed on! This human is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker! He's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! He's pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the twig! He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible! This is an ex-human!!

As such, I really don't associate Henry Ford with the current Ford Motor Company, much less his personal views.

JimAckley

exalted512 wrote: »

I have an 04 sierra now. It's mildly peppy for a 4.8...but I long for the 5.3. I get terrible mileage.

I don't plan on getting a new truck anytime soon. My bike will be paid off in April and this one will be getting some over due maintenance. I'm in need of tires, but cant afford them right now.
-Cody

I have the 4.8. It's not so bad once you get rid of the junky 3.23 rear end that they stuff in them now, and then top it off with a tune.

I feel ya on tires. I need some new ones. I'll probably get Nittos since they can be had on the cheap. 285/70/17 Terragrapplers can be had for just over $150/ea, which is a helluva lot better than BFG A/T KOs but can only inflate to 35 PSI. Or you can get the Duragrappler E-load (80 PSI) for like $10/tire more. I think I'm gonna get the Duragrapplers to hold me over until I do my turbo and lift.

ohskigod

JimAckley wrote: »

I have the 4.8. It's not so bad once you get rid of the junky 3.23 rear end that they stuff in them now, and then top it off with a tune.

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all kinds of correct. I just got an 11 Silverado with the 4.3 v6 the engine I'm fine with, its the rear gear thats gotta go (3.24) . not an emergency, but its on the "cool stuff to do with my truck" list.

That 4.8 is more than enough power, get a 3.73 or 4.10 gear in there (though it will be pricey if t is 4 wheel drive as you will have to do the front axle too) do that gear swap, and all thoughts of the 5.3 will evaporate from your head.

I own Fords and Chevys, I like both. I tip the cap to Chevy trucks more, as my dad was a chevy truck guy, but i love my Mustang

this Impala thing is wierd. Is it only one person with an issue. is it documented as widespread? never heard of these problems in Impalas as many of our State cars are Impalas.

one thing all can be assured of, Chevy does not have the market corner on automotive douschebag moves.

JimAckley

A 3.90 will make a 33 run like the OEM 31.5 on a 3.73, which is how they all used to come. I think that ratio is a good blend of mileage and madness, so when I get my new tires I'm going with the 3.90. Done any mods to yours yet?

BIZILL

Man, I used to sport my Chevy t-shirt often. Now I haven't worn it in months and months except for recently as I needed a shirt I didn't mind getting dirty.

George Grand

Moral bankruptcy doesn't end with a cash infusion.

mhardy6647

George Grand wrote: »

Moral bankruptcy doesn't end with a cash infusion.

You need to write a book of aphorisms, George (and I am not being facetious).

exalted512

BeefJerky wrote: »

I like my 2008 Honda CR-V...

Yeah...honda would never do that!

Wait, nevermind.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/07/report-honda-settles-class-action-lawsuit-over-premature-brake/
-Cody

Jstas

exalted512 wrote: »

Yeah...honda would never do that!

Wait, nevermind.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/07/report-honda-settles-class-action-lawsuit-over-premature-brake/
-Cody

Stop using facts to back up your argument. That's not allowed here. :mad:

TECHNOKID

tonyb wrote: »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/19/gm-impala-lawsuit-idUSN1E77I0Z820110819

After taking our money to save their arse, it's only prudent to stick it to loyal customers.:rolleyes: I could have sworn I heard, from some high up official, prior to getting the coin,that GM would honor all warranties.

If telling a fib was punishable, we would have to dedicate a few states to hold them all.

BTW; your thread and the link you provide couldn't have come at a better timing. I just received an email from my sister regarding the purchase of modified Savana as an affordable option to expensive RV (sorry the article is in french and could not find in english; http://auto.sympatico.ca/essais/6963/safari-condo-lsx-2011-un-vr-aussi-polyvalent-que-compact). Anyway, I forwarded the OP link and told her that she should stay away from a company that that will find any ways to get away from their responsibilities. I sure hope GM is a dying breed, both the US and Canadian governments has wasted our hard earned monies to bail out such scum bags. :mad:

mrbiron

Yeah!! Lets pray GM goes down the tubes.....Send all of our money oversees for everything!! :rolleyes: Riiiiiiiiight

I love the talks about about 90's Cavaliers. "I won't buy another Chevy product because of that bum car". Hilarious! I ate an apple with a bruise on it and swore off fruits for the rest of my life!

Interiors have plastic and isn't crisp....it's a Chevy/GM not a Ferarri. Wow this is all mind blowing stuff here. Where's my carbon fiber?....WHERE!?!

Seriously people......

ohskigod

JimAckley wrote: »

A 3.90 will make a 33 run like the OEM 31.5 on a 3.73, which is how they all used to come. I think that ratio is a good blend of mileage and madness, so when I get my new tires I'm going with the 3.90. Done any mods to yours yet?

nothing nutty, I put a go industries "big tex" brushguard on the front. One of those guards that are more than just for looks. Got a trifold toneau cover and a gm duraliner in it.

next is the gear swap.......cant see me going to big on tires, not my style so 3.73 most likely, though I cant see 3.90 even on stock tires being unmanageable. I carry my "dont fear the gear" mantra over from Mustang owners. just seems like the tranny works harder than it has to with the 3.23

gotta disagree with you on the gmt900 hate, I had a 91 Sierra shortbed (gmt400) and while I loved it, the frame and chassis on the 900 really shows its improvements to me. stiffer frame, just feels more solid. Its turn in ability at high speeds kind of shocked me for a truck (lost a little of that aftr putting an 80 lb brushguard on the nose, but oh well.....still surpising)

down side is of course the increased weight. feels bigger and heavier thought the suspension handles it by keeping the body roll down to a virtual minimum. I liked the handling of the SIlverado much better than the cushy mush of the new f150. I got a reg cab long box fyi WT trim, I like my trucks simple.



no experience with the 800 line, but that slant eyed headlight look killed me..lol

dorokusai

I just traded in my Chevy for a hefty price and never had a problem with it since 2007 aside from a battery problem which was covered.

TECHNOKID

mrbiron wrote: »

Yeah!! Lets pray GM goes down the tubes.....Send all of our money oversees for everything!! :rolleyes: Riiiiiiiiight

I love the talks about about 90's Cavaliers. "I won't buy another Chevy product because of that bum car". Hilarious! I ate an apple with a bruise on it and swore off fruits for the rest of my life!

Interiors have plastic and isn't crisp....it's a Chevy/GM not a Ferarri. Wow this is all mind blowing stuff here. Where's my carbon fiber?....WHERE!?!

Seriously people......

So, you're still being brained washed by the ''buy all American'' propaganda? Do you really expect GM to be ''all American''? You must have been hibernating for a few years, got news for you, GM cars are probably just as Chinese manufactured as Chinese cars when you consider where all the manufactured parts come from. Haven't you heard the news, even Polk gets their new product creations manufactured in China! :rolleyes:

Haven't you read the news in the past year or so, do you realize how much is costed tax payers to keep a ressemblance of North American GM manufacturing (and other so called American brands) in North America? After being bailed out by the tax payers this company has the ball to run away from their reponsibilites and pull stunts like this on the same tax payers that saved their a$$! :cool: (insn't it?)

ohskigod

dorokusai wrote: »

I just traded in my Chevy for a hefty price and never had a problem with it since 2007 aside from a battery problem which was covered.

I really liked that truck, pretty sure that was a gmt900 chassis too. color was sweet




On a seperate note, I never understood the fascination with an interior. The interior is literally the last thing I look at in a car. layouts gotta be comfortable of course but it seems people are nutty over it.

Case in point, they always say my Mustang has a "bad" interior. If by bad they mean basic, straight forward and unobtrusive.....give me bad all day. I'm looking at the road as I take turns doing 50, not the interior

that said, my WT trim truck is a celebration of plastic for the interior, I could hardly care. If I get annoyed at it later, I drive it to an interior guy and tell him to make it nicey nice.

mhardy6647

dorokusai wrote: »

I just traded in my Chevy for a hefty price and never had a problem with it since 2007 aside from a battery problem which was covered.

ahem... thread tangent
oh, you did? What's the new set of wheels, then?

ohskigod

mhardy6647 wrote: »

ahem... thread tangent
oh, you did? What's the new set of wheels, then?

In furthering his slow and steady slide into yuppie do*chedom...he bought an Audi A5

TECHNOKID

ohskigod wrote: »

In furthering his slow and steady slide into yuppie do*chedom...he bought an Audi A5

Oh, he bought quality and class! :cool:

dorokusai

ohskigod wrote: »

In furthering his slow and steady slide into yuppie do*chedom...he bought an Audi A5

Yep, I'm trying to expand my horizons since the wife has been an Audi fanatic since 2001. I figure that I've tried to be an **** on so many levels that its time to expand it to the vehicle I drive. Kinda like full circle.

William - As Lou said A5 Coupe and I'm very happy.

As far as buying American I have no issues and would have picked up a new Camaro if I didn't just want a clearly different choice. I've been in Chevy's at work and play for many years and had to get away for awhile. I couldn't mentally handle the same "style" I guess...unsure really. There was nothing major aesthetically or financially that made me change my mind for buying another American vehicle, it was just personal choice to change things around me. I wanted to buy that little Subaru Baja years ago but the wife said no fn way, as she wouldn't drive it although I thought it was completely practical at that time....so I took some steroids and bought an Avalanche. She ended up hating that truck within two drives to work so I lost anyways but at least she wasn't messing with my vehicle. She said it made her look like a giant ****, which it probably did but she wasn't in reality but women aren't based in reality of perception. I'm having fun again and she's not allowed to drive it without "permission" so I kept one leg of the pants in the family...although I may not be IN that leg, I'm holding it in my hand.

sucks2beme

TECHNOKID wrote: »

So, you're still being brained washed by the ''buy all American'' propaganda? Do you really expect GM to be ''all American''? You must have been hibernating for a few years, got news for you, GM cars are probably just as Chinese manufactured as Chinese cars when you consider where all the manufactured parts come from. Haven't you heard the news, even Polk gets their new product creations manufactured in China! :rolleyes:

Haven't you read the news in the past year or so, do you realize how much is costed tax payers to keep a ressemblance of North American GM manufacturing (and other so called American brands) in North America? After being bailed out by the tax payers this company has the ball to run away from their reponsibilites and pull stunts like this on the same tax payers that saved their a$$! :cool: (insn't it?)

Actually, try Mexico and Brazil.

TECHNOKID

sucks2beme wrote: »

Actually, try Mexico and Brazil.

Sure, that too.

sucks2beme

mrbiron wrote: »

Yeah!! Lets pray GM goes down the tubes.....Send all of our money oversees for everything!! :rolleyes: Riiiiiiiiight

I love the talks about about 90's Cavaliers. "I won't buy another Chevy product because of that bum car". Hilarious! I ate an apple with a bruise on it and swore off fruits for the rest of my life!

Interiors have plastic and isn't crisp....it's a Chevy/GM not a Ferarri. Wow this is all mind blowing stuff here. Where's my carbon fiber?....WHERE!?!

Seriously people......

Yes, seriously. Evey GM front wheel drive any member of the family had
from the mid 80's to the end of the millennium was a steaming piece of poo.
Cousins, uncles, my parents, I had some. Other than the rear wheel Camaro/Trans Ams
cars, junk. Hard to forget. Most of the Ford rear wheel stuff
was light years better. I understand much has changed, but
it's mighty hard to forget the hurt my wallet took.
You find it funny. I don't. Fords had some issues, but I at least
could fix it and move on. The GM stuff just started falling apart after
two years and it never ended.

madmax

I was a Chevy person for most of my life, went through 8 of them, but I'll never own another one unless its a toy like an old vette or something. There are a few reasons but a big one was that Ford took care of their own business problems while GM sucked up my money and passed it on to the unions. I will take that money back by buying elsewhere. I don't care for their current products either and that was happening even before they were bailed out.

sucks2beme

madmax wrote: »

I was a Chevy person for most of my life, went through 8 of them, but I'll never own another one unless its a toy like an old vette or something. There are a few reasons but a big one was that Ford took care of their own business problems while GM sucked up my money and passed it on to the unions. I will take that money back by buying elsewhere. I don't care for their current products either and that was happening even before they were bailed out.

The Corvette is a car designed by people at GM that understand
their target buyers.
The rest of the company doesn't seem to understand how to
create a product we can embrace.
It's more that US vs. import.
There's a lot of imports that are crap as well, including some
Japanese car brands. And a whole lot of European cars that everybody
loves. My next choice of a car is most likely going to be a Mustang,
or Challenger/Charger if the new designs prove reliable.