Oh, man......gas to be at $3.75/gal by March.

treitz3

Rub it in, rub it in, rub it in.......

My truck will tow your car.

tonyb

jinjuku wrote: »

That's the problem with oil. They just aren't making it any more.

Same problem with land, just not making land anymore either. Guess we should ban ownership of it.

heiney9

heiney9 wrote: »

Simply talk of unrest has driven the price up here in IL from $3.01 about a week ago to $3.29 this A.M. and i bet by tomorrow A.M. it'll increase about another .10c. Specualtors ahve pushed the price up $2.10/barrel for oil since last night.

H9

I was wrong, on the way home from work it jumped to $3.45. Glad I filled up this morning.

mhardy6647

ohskigod wrote: »

glad I got a cube :biggrin:

ahem... I know what you mean.

JimKellyfan

The gas will be whatever the media wants it to be.

I will continue to buy premium on both cars, as they both see measurable fuel mileage increases with it.
Believe it or not.

We will have to pay whatever they charge.

It sux, but it is what it is.

I typically do not even watch the prices, as I cannot control it, and I don't want to piss myself off on it.

JimKellyfan

all electric cars are coming anyway

here are some mac daddy's

http://www.teslamotors.com/roadster/gallery/view/6313

nooshinjohn

jinjuku wrote: »

That's the problem with oil. They just aren't making it any more.

This does not mean a damn thing Juju... There is enough here on U.S. soil and off-shore, to support a three percent rate of growth, and full independence from importing it from countries that hate us, for the next 75 to 100 years. The trouble is that we have effectively removed these areas by making them off-limits, turning them into wildlife habitats or used some other form of restriction that bans them from being used.

We need to learn that Energy Independence is a vital national security priority. It is the height of stupidity to not treat energy policy with the same sense of importance as we give the Military, though in some administrations, the military are just glorified bell-hops and waiters to be used, rather than the heros and professionals they truly are.

gdb

Blah Blah Blah:rolleyes: Buy a moped or get to stepping.

inspiredsports

There are a couple of "good" things about this (if you can allow the use of that word) that will come from $4, $5 and maybe eventually $7 per gallon 87 octane gasoline.

First, there are numerous old wells in the US already that are running dry, but are proven to have oil deeper. The have not been deepened due to the relatively high cost, but high prices at the pump will make it profitable.

Second, the massive oil-shale deposits, predominantly in Colorado and Utah, will become profitable at these high numbers.

In both cases, the profits will flow mostly to US based companies instead of overseas.

I'm not sure this is good or bad, but the majority of the oil-shale rich lands are owned by the Federal government and the rights have to be leased from the government. They'll get the lease funds up front and fuel taxes on the back end to help a tiny bit on the revenue end.

The bad part is, you can pretty much figure everything will skyrocket. I mean what can you think of in your home that does not contain petroleum derivatives, or depend upon fule to deliver it there?

We are pretty much f'd.

inspiredsports

jinjuku wrote: »

That's the problem with oil. They just aren't making it any more.

That's actually not quite right. Plate tectonics/volcanism create forces you can't even comprehend that compress the proper minerals into oil every second of every day.

mhardy6647

oil (in the context of petroleum) comes from carbonaceous matter (biomass), not minerals.

nooshinjohn

Everything I find on this topic agrees that we have plenty of oil. An announcement from the Fed that we were going to get SERIOUS about meeting our energy needs from our own shores would plunge world oil prices to 1980's lows. All it takes is somebody with the stones to make energy independence a national security priority.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0426/outfront-oil-gas-obama-drilling-drill-here.html

inspiredsports

inspiredsports wrote: »

That's actually not quite right. Plate tectonics/volcanism create forces you can't even comprehend that compress the proper minerals into oil every second of every day.

I phrased that wrong in that tectonics and volcanism "reshuffle" the mix. They've recently discovered numerous undersea "asphalt volcanoes" where volcanism has opened the pathway to oil reserves and created tar-based lava flows on the sea floor.

ricohman

bobman1235 wrote: »

No one knows where you are, how about a tip?

Your right, I need to update that.
Saskatchewan, Canada

ricohman

JimKellyfan wrote: »

The gas will be whatever the media wants it to be.

I will continue to buy premium on both cars, as they both see measurable fuel mileage increases with it.
Believe it or not.

We will have to pay whatever they charge.

It sux, but it is what it is.

I typically do not even watch the prices, as I cannot control it, and I don't want to piss myself off on it.

I believe it. My R1150GS Adventure is made for premium fuel and the bike gets better economy with it. The ECM retards the timing when all I can get is regular.
If your cars need premium then you will usually get better economy and power by using it.
If they will run on regular fuel then its just a waste of money. This has been debated to death on many a moto forum.

mewisemagic

the world is gonna end in 2012,big oil companys gotta make the money now before it's to late

megasat16

BP decided it's time they send the bill to the citizens for the clean up of the mess they caused in the Gulf Coast area.

Who's in the losing end?

ryanjoachim

Gas is just over $3.40 a gallon here. Even with my 14 gallon tank, it costs me $50 now to fill up.

heiney9

This morning now it's down to $3.39.

So in the matter of 48 hours:

$3.19 to $3.29 to $3.45 to $3.39

WTF, do they just listen to CNN and decide when to change the price????

Seriously why so many changes in such a short period of time...........that to me is price gouging since the fuel in the tanks and probably the futures they bought was at a much lower cost.

I HATE when the news talks about unrest and within hours gas prices are affected.

H9

treitz3

It basically is price gouging. South Carolina is getting some heat about this very thing. Unfortunately, it's not considered price gouging unless the Governor declares a state of emergency. Until then, the gas stations can pretty much charge whatever they want too.

It is now cheaper to purchase gas in NC than SC, which has never been the case as far as I know.

Fongolio

It took a 34 cent hike here today. Oh man!

inspiredsports

mhardy6647 wrote: »

ahem... I know what you mean.

JimKellyfan wrote: »

all electric cars are coming anyway

here are some mac daddy's

http://www.teslamotors.com/roadster/gallery/view/6313

gdb wrote: »

Blah Blah Blah:rolleyes: Buy a moped or get to stepping.

I love the concept of small, fuel-efficient cars, but for safety reasons I've always wrapped my family in the biggest, heaviest cars/suv's/vans we could afford.

When I'm out driving around now and see those tiny cars carrying drivers whose heads are at about the level of my knees, I pray they never run a red light in front of me. I know I will have a small stripe of their car's paint on my bumper to buff off while they are rushed away to the ER or morgue.

Please be VERY careful if you drive one of these.

bobman1235

inspiredsports wrote: »

I love the concept of small, fuel-efficient cars, but for safety reasons I've always wrapped my family in the biggest, heaviest cars/suv's/vans we could afford.

Yeahhhh, you might want to do some research on those first....

inspiredsports

bobman1235 wrote: »

Yeahhhh, you might want to do some research on those first....

On the big vehicles I drive (been there, done that and am safe), or on the the new small cars and mopeds (or should I say new small cars that are the same size as a moped) ???

ohskigod

inspiredsports wrote: »

I love the concept of small, fuel-efficient cars, but for safety reasons I've always wrapped my family in the biggest, heaviest cars/suv's/vans we could afford.

When I'm out driving around now and see those tiny cars carrying drivers whose heads are at about the level of my knees, I pray they never run a red light in front of me. I know I will have a small stripe of their car's paint on my bumper to buff off while they are rushed away to the ER or morgue.

Please be VERY careful if you drive one of these.

some of these cars have 6 way airbags and very high safety ratings.

cnh

Although I agree that there may be a certain amount of oil 'left' to exploit. What do we do after that's also gone? Oil is a limited, finite, fuel source and will eventually disappear in the long term? Just saying...a number of other technologies have been discussed on this site that are quite interesting and would probably interest oil companies, 'also', as they have resources to 'corner' those markets should they appear. Continuing down the road of the inevitable doesn't make that much sense to me. But gradually weaning off oil to WHATEVER. And I mean 'whatever' else...not trying to evoke any 'politics' here...since that's what 'always' happens when you say, Oil...forget-about-it!

I'm for ANYTHING, any means that can eliminate the oil problem forever and end all debates about whether, where, and when to continue with this outmoded source of energy. Again, let's not get political. I'm willing to take off whatever impasses may exist for investment and development of other energy sources, You want less gov't regulation. FINE! You want tax BREAKS! Go for them! Give the Big Boys all the slack they need and let's see what they can do; hopefully they 'will' do something.

cnh

inspiredsports

ohskigod wrote: »

some of these cars have 6 way airbags and very high safety ratings.

Agreed.

But lets take the case of a 1,600 pound Smart Car versus a 5,800 pound Escalade.

The 360% Mass X Velocity differential scares the hell out me.

When everyone is driving a small car, I'll reconsider.

bobman1235

inspiredsports wrote: »

Agreed.

But lets take the case of a 1,600 pound Smart Car versus a 5,800 pound Escalade.

The 360% Mass X Velocity differential scares the hell out me.

There's certainly a middle ground; I wouldn't drive a Smart Car either (though I ride a motorcycle, so... ). But no matter what you drive an 18-wheeler could flatten you, so where do you draw the line?

inspiredsports

bobman1235 wrote: »

There's certainly a middle ground; I wouldn't drive a Smart Car either (though I ride a motorcycle, so... ). But no matter what you drive an 18-wheeler could flatten you, so where do you draw the line?

That's actually part of my phobia. In 2006 our eldest daughter was a driving our (now deceased) 2003 Volvo XC90 (6-cyl, 7-seat, 6,000 lb model) which had superlative crash ratings. She was literally run over by semi with (empty) enclosed 42' trailer. That's probably 38,000 (instead of 80,000 pounds fully loaded), but the Volvo's passenger "cage" stayed intact and she had only minor physical injuries (but mentally she's still a bit tentative around semi's).

As I think about it, I guess that tends to support your theory that a well designed new tiny electric car can do OK when hit by a much larger SUV.

exalted512

bobman1235 wrote: »

There's certainly a middle ground; I wouldn't drive a Smart Car either (though I ride a motorcycle, so... ). But no matter what you drive an 18-wheeler could flatten you, so where do you draw the line?

Obviously that means we need an 18-wheeler, but bagged to give it a low center of gravity.

Problem solved.
-Cody