Led Zeppelin Box Set 50% off

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    I'm glad you're happy with Wes and his products, he's the best.
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited February 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    Oh my, sensitivities are flying. If they were called Yank bags, would that bother you?

    Yes.
    That's what socks are for.:tongue:
    :biggrin:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    LessisNevermore wrote: »
    Yes.
    That's what socks are for.:tongue:
    :biggrin:

    Hehe.........oh wait, I think I'm offended. Couldn't you use the term foot covering? :tongue:
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited February 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    Hehe.........oh wait, I think I'm offended. Couldn't you use the term foot covering? :tongue:

    Did you perform an ABX test to see if you were offended? Without one, you just can't really be sure, now can you?

    :biggrin:
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  • aloutah
    aloutah Posts: 241
    edited February 2011
    **** bags? Doesnt anyone else find the term **** a bit racist? Do you call Japanese people "****" too? What if these cases were made in Africa? I hate to think what you might think to call them then.
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited February 2011
    aloutah wrote: »
    **** bags? Doesnt anyone else find the term **** a bit racist?

    I guess someone could find it wherever they look, if they try hard enough. I know personally, I took ****, as an abbreviation for Japanese. I'm not racist, I hate everyone, equally.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    LessisNevermore wrote: »
    Did you perform an ABX test to see if you were offended? Without one, you just can't really be sure, now can you?

    :biggrin:

    Gosh golly, you're right. I'll also run some SPL measures with a Pepsi can in one sock and my foot in the other......you know, just to be sure that the break in time isn't all in my mind.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    aloutah wrote: »
    **** bags? Doesn't anyone else find the term **** a bit racist? Do you call Japanese people "****" too? What if these cases were made in Africa? I hate to think what you might think to call them then.

    I'll bet you cry yourself to sleep every night in utter despair at what a bad, bad man I am.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    Keiko wrote: »
    If they were made in Africa, they'd be called Hyena ****.

    I'm thinking Af bags would be kinda catchy. :biggrin:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    Keiko wrote: »
    I got this wallet that's made out of African elephant ****. If you rub on it long enough it becomes a suitcase. :wink:

    Hehe......:biggrin:
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  • aloutah
    aloutah Posts: 241
    edited February 2011
    Well I am very offended and will not purchase any of the aforementioned "****-Bags". Actually, if anyone else is looking for an alternative, I have found some very high quality sleeves of Mexican manufacture and origin. Wet-Bags!
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited February 2011
    aloutah wrote: »
    **** bags? Doesnt anyone else find the term **** a bit racist? Do you call Japanese people "****" too? What if these cases were made in Africa? I hate to think what you might think to call them then.

    aloutah bags?
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  • aloutah
    aloutah Posts: 241
    edited February 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    I'll bet you cry yourself to sleep every night in utter despair at what a bad, bad man I am.


    Bad man? No. Insensitive hillbilly douchebag? That sounds a bit more like it. Oh and it sounds like that elephant skin wallet would be just the thing for you. You can keep it in your back pocket and enjoy it as it grows. Thanks for the concern though.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited February 2011
    Keiko . . . . I think an addition to your pie chart is in order
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2011
    Got my replacement bags in the mail from the ebay store, they seem great. Of course, the Zep set hasn't arrived yet to put them in.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    aloutah wrote: »
    Bad man? No. Insensitive hillbilly douchebag? That sounds a bit more like it. Oh and it sounds like that elephant skin wallet would be just the thing for you. You can keep it in your back pocket and enjoy it as it grows. Thanks for the concern though.

    You are not very good at this. The term **** bag is simply short for Japanese bag unlike your term, Wet-Bags, which I think most would consider a derogatory term. Had you said Mex bags then you wouldn't be the one actually coming off as the insensitive hillbilly racist douchebag that you are.
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  • aloutah
    aloutah Posts: 241
    edited February 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    You are not very good at this. The term **** bag is simply short for Japanese bag unlike your term, Wet-Bags, which I think most would consider a derogatory term. Had you said Mex bags then you wouldn't be the one actually coming off as the insensitive hillbilly racist douchebag that you are.

    That comment about wet-bags was apparently over your head. Try thinking a bit, maybe it will come to you. Probably not though.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    As you made the following comment, "I have found some very high quality sleeves of Mexican manufacture and origin. Wet-Bags!" and a derogatory term for Mexicans is wet backs, it follows that your use of the term Wet bags is a play on that.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2011
    My set arrived today - beautifully put together. The mini-lp packaging is great, the set feels very much on the same level as the Beatles mono box set, except this one has no booklet.

    This is the first version of SRTS that I've had since the original cd's, as it's not in the complete studio gray-box set from the 90's. Need to do a bit of listening there to see if there is much improvement.

    As for the bags, I didn't get passed three of them before I tore one. Garbage. Very glad I ordered the replacements.

    Looking forward to doing some testing back and forth with the gray box when I have some time.

    Thanks again for the recommendation.
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited February 2011
    aloutah wrote: »
    That comment about wet-bags was apparently over your head. Try thinking a bit, maybe it will come to you. Probably not though.

    Everyone got it, it just wasn't that good....but then you had already killed the mood. Maybe a bit less with the name calling too. Rules and all.:wink:

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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    I couldn't tell you, but the next time my English-German-French-Austrian-American **** walks up to a Japanese-American employee and asks for **** bags, you'll be the first to know. :rolleyes:
    Good to know your level of conviction extends only as far as your keyboard. I thought as much...

    Since it is still within the realm where you are the sole arbiter of which epithets are offensive and which are not, clearly you need to set things straight over at Wikipedia.
    **** is an English abbreviation of the word "Japanese". Today it is generally regarded as an ethnic slur, although English-speaking countries differ in the degree to which they consider the term offensive. In the United States, Japanese Americans have come to find the term controversial or offensive, even when used as an abbreviation. In the past, **** was not considered primarily offensive; however, during and after the events of World War II, the term became derogatory.

    And knowing how near and dear the King?s English is to you there?ll be a couple more jobs awaiting you at Webster?s and Oxford?
    In the United States the term is now considered derogatory; the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary notes it is "usually disparaging".[5] In the United Kingdom it is considered derogatory, and the Oxford dictionary defines it as offensive.
    More later,
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    Could you possibly be a bigger ****!?!
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2011
    Yawn......

    So, Led Zeppelin! Some band, huh? Anyone feel like talking about them?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2011
    Seriously!

    So, have you have time to check them out yet?
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2011
    Yes. I'm pretty darned sure they are the same masters as the Page boxed set from the 90's, with the exception of TSRTS of course. I'm not really hearing anything new or different here in the studio material.

    Packaging/presentation, of course, is an A+. Only gripes, I suppose, would be no "extras" besides the empty album covers. A decent booklet or maybe a disc of unreleased surprises would have been cool. And then of course, there are the plastic bags :-)

    But in terms of sound, no big revelations here, at least to my ears.
    madmax wrote: »
    ...These are a different animal than the original release.

    The originals were a work of art, not a great live sounding performance. Bass lacked punch and treble rolled off but they had great holographic imaging. The mix was not intended to be a live sounding performance, it was more of creating a special place with a lot of depth and takes you to another dimension.

    This new release is the total opposite. This is a live sounding band coming from these discs. The bass is very punchy, the upper midrange and lower treble are very biting and the stage width is much wider. Gone is a lot of the depth and forget going into that other dimension....

    I'm assuming by "original release" you're talking about the 80's individual cd's, not the gray box set of studio remasters from the 90's? There was a night and day difference between the original releases and the earlier box set. But that set still left me feeling like there was more to it that I wasn't hearing, or cleaner sound that could/should be achieved for such monumental recordings, but wasn't coming through. This new set doesn't seem to change any of that, but is far superior aesthetically, and is well worth the $87 discounted price without a doubt.

    Jesse, thanks again for sharing the original link!
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2011
    The more I'm thinking about this, the more it's surprising me that these masters are identical. Wouldn't you expect a company like Rhino to be putting out it's own remastering rather than using the same version that's been available for all these years?

    I guess the reason why I'm asking is I read this review of a similar mini-lp box set of Pink Floyd. Read the 1-Star review by Bob:

    http://www.amazon.com/Oh-Way-Mini-LP-Replica/dp/B000X1LH6C/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1298515099&sr=1-1

    How is this Zeppelin set all that different, except for the web deal offering it at such a reasonable price? I'm not sure what Rhino did here to believe that they'd sell many of these, if it's just the same versions that have been around in a different box set. Perhaps that's why they're dumping inventory at 50% off?
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2011
    Wow..... One thing that I can say FOR SURE is that I've now got an incredibly cleaned up version of The Song Remains The Same. FINALLY! Now this is nice, as I'm comparing it to the original version that I probably purchased circa 1988 or thereabouts. Awesome!!!!
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2011
    More listening to TSRTS. Wow. Just wow. 20+ years of listening (and not that often, because it was such crap) to the original cd's. This new one is just a whole different league. For one thing, a lot more songs! Listening to a gorgeous Over The Hills that I've never heard before, because it ain't on the original. Sound quality is kick ****. The old one is relegated to being comparison material just to show off the Rhino version.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,203
    edited February 2011
    nspindel wrote: »
    More listening to TSRTS. Wow. Just wow. 20+ years of listening (and not that often, because it was such crap) to the original cd's. This new one is just a whole different league. For one thing, a lot more songs! Listening to a gorgeous Over The Hills that I've never heard before, because it ain't on the original. Sound quality is kick ****. The old one is relegated to being comparison material just to show off the Rhino version.

    Neil, this is the same version they released (they being Atlantic and Jimmy Page) on the remastered TSRTS from about 3 years ago. Rhino has nothing to do with the remastering.

    H9
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,203
    edited February 2011
    nspindel wrote: »
    The more I'm thinking about this, the more it's surprising me that these masters are identical. Wouldn't you expect a company like Rhino to be putting out it's own remastering rather than using the same version that's been available for all these years?

    There is no way Rhino or anyone else would get clearance, or rights if you will, to "remaster" a catalog as monumental as Led Zeppelin. It would never happen same goes for the Beatles and other timeless music.

    It wouldn't be allowed by the Jimmy Page. Rhino simply created an awesome, well put together collector piece.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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