Id like to modify your crossovers...

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited January 2011
    I recommend swapping out all the capacitors and resistors - they are old at this point and could use some freshening up
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited January 2011
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Personally I'm ok with that
    You shouldn't be
    but it's not cool.
    Definately not cool.
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  • jayman_1975
    jayman_1975 Posts: 672
    edited January 2011
    Have you ever done any crossover mods on Monitor Audio speakers. Overall i really like my GS 60's but there is something missing in sounstage depth that i have heard done better by other speakers. I wonder if some better components might help? If you start do any mods again i would like to chat about doing mine thanks. Please forgive my ignorance but do you need the whole speaker or just certain parts to be shipped to you.
    Onkyo TX NR 5008 modified by The Upgrade Company
    Oppo BDP 93 modified by The Upgrade Company
    Arcam CD37
    Monitor Audio Gold GS 60
    Revolver Audio Music 5 towers.(surround)
    Vandersteen V2W
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited January 2011
    Anyone looking to do crossover mods can email at the following address

    VR3MXDMICBLCE2K7 AT GMAIL DOT COM

    This will forward your email to my real email and we can talk about modding.

    Crossovers are pretty much the same across the board...

    Either on a circuit board or mounted on some MDF inside a cabinet. Older speakers were mounted on an enclosure wall.

    Most cases you can just mail me the crossover, if it is MDF and you are not sure enough to remove the MDF with a chisel or something of that nature then you can send me the entire thing. Whatever works for you :)

    Hands down the biggest improvement I have heard in audio to date (with top notch parts) is crossover upgrades. I wish I could modify every speaker I lay my ears on. The difference is like lifting a veil off of the speakers.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Alright folks!

    I am ready to modify crossovers again..

    Here is what I am thinking

    $20.00 Basic crossovers - Normal size parts, nothing over 20uf, 10 at most - etc
    $30.00 More advanced crossovers - Larger sustained caps (500uf and below) - 20 at most parts, MUST BE ABLE TO FIT BACK INSIDE ENCLOSURE
    $120.00 External crossovers

    Price is per board)

    The above is just labor - no shipping or parts.

    I can turn these around faster than you can shake a stick at them!

    Get me a parts list or send me your crossovers - you pay for the parts up front, they come to my house - you ship my your crossovers, I modify them at the speed of light and ship them back to you!

    :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Id like to comment that my recommended parts will be the following

    Clarity Cap MR, ESA, SA, PX (First)

    Dayton 5% and Solen (Second)

    Mox Resistors (10watt) and Mundorf Supreme (20 watt) (First)

    Mills Resistors (12 watt) (second)

    Duelund resistors (When budget allows)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited March 2011
    I'll vouch for the lad's work....my LSi9 crossovers are fantastic. They pretty much made the LSi9 possibly the last 2 channel speaker I'll need.
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,148
    edited March 2011
    I'd say that's a pretty damned good review.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Thanks Lou!!!

    I am happy you are enjoying you crossovers!

    :-D
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    hey--in the Tyler application,,is the MOX that much better than the Mills? Reason I ask,,I am about to start the 7U upgrade this weekend,and I plan on using the Mills unless there is that big of a difference between the two,,I chose the Mills cause they seem a tad more natural/nuetral--laid back that the MOX,,from what I've read and heard. Eh?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    The mills is more laid back - but the mox will bring alot more detail out. IMO
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Also - if I have values on hand of what goes in your crossover I will only charge 60% of their value...

    I have Solen 4uf (x 6) and 8uf (x2), Hovland 8uf (x2) and 5uf (x2)

    I also have misc resistors on hand I will charge 80% of their value...

    Quite a few 15 or 16 ohm -- 18ohm, .1 ohm, etc

    Anyways

    :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    Trey,, I have the SA series 3.9's,, the ESA 22uF's(replacing electrolytics) and a 6..2 MR for the Hovland 6.0
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Nice.

    Why did you go with SA on the 3.9 and not the ESA????
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    The MR is sick man. Magic.

    Amazing how different your parts are from my Taylos...

    4uf, 12uf (x2) and 5uf

    Did he use any 20 watt resistors in yours/
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    I meant ESA--the resistors are eagle brand,, 12 ohm and two 4 ohm,,they appear to be 10 watters

    here's a pic

    I calculate-measured it @ 4 ohms
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Id keep the Eagles in the tweeter network. They were better than Duelund with my super towers (synergy baby!) - Just a though to try before you toss them...

    So strange...

    That is like every other speaker I have from Ty except the 22uf -- the Taylo monitor has alot more resistors in it... interesting

    You should be able to throw a 20 watt in the woofer network. FWIW
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Id keep the Eagles in the tweeter network. They were better than Duelund with my super towers (synergy baby!) - Just a though to try before you toss them...

    So strange...

    That is like every other speaker I have from Ty except the 22uf -- the Taylo monitor has alot more resistors in it... interesting

    You should be able to throw a 20 watt in the woofer network. FWIW

    I was gonna use Mills--12 watters--I also am replacing the 22uF lytic's with ESA's as well.You realy think the eagle will sound better than the mills in the tweeter network?I know you've tried them(various resistors)Thanks for the tip,,as I planned on tossing them in the am when I start.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Eagle and Mills are virtually the same IMO.

    I kept them in my Taylo monitors where they were used... :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    I'll be honest--I really struggled between sonicap and the Clarity's--size and PRICE--I lost the struggle.:redface:
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    I have never tried Sonicaps -- I honestly have no desire to. Clarity is amazing.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    Well,,I'll let you know this weekend,,I am expecting more midrange,,,a sweeter/smoother high end,,and more bass.We'll see what it does to the soundstage,,if anything.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Your soundstage should be far different - everyone I have modified so far has been much much better...

    Look forward to hearing your results!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited March 2011
    Man you guys make me want to upgrade my taylo 7u towers.
    But I dont know much about crossovers and have no experience with soldering.
    What would it cost to upgrade my crossovers to make big improvement???
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2011
    bopicasso wrote: »
    Man you guys make me want to upgrade my taylo 7u towers.
    But I dont know much about crossovers and have no experience with soldering.
    What would it cost to upgrade my crossovers to make big improvement???

    Clarity ESA;s and an MR for the tweeter--475 dollars--sonicap--half maybe less less.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Honestly?

    To do it right - it seems to be an average cost of 5-800 dollars. (Closer to 800 doing external)

    And worth every freakin penny!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited March 2011
    Are we talking per speaker or for both?
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    Both
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    edited March 2011
    If you are not comfortable doing them yourself - Ill do them for 40 bucks plus shipping.

    Just take a flat head screw driver and remove them from your enclosures - mark which wires go where, ship them to me - Ill drop in new parts - send them back your way :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited March 2011
    The thing is.. I spent 1k on the speakers. Would the 800 dollar investment really be worth it???
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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