This makes me sick!!!

Demiurge

BIZILL wrote: »

can't. another asian dude strikes again, giving my ethnicity a bad name. discovery channel dude. drats.

oh snap! you meant online gaming....lol. desensitized. label me as such.

Sooooooo......what's a up Grass-a-hoppa?

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BIZILL

let's spin off onto another tangent. we fashion video games that mimic the action of killing humans and even aliens (from outer space for you activists) that are deemed "acceptable" yet if there were a game created whose gameplay involved chucking pups into a river, millions would be outraged. crazy, crazy.

i mean hell, i blast those chickens on the game we play, but wouldn't take pleasure in real life. i wouldn't be doing the same if they were pups. munkey almost makes a good point, but he structured his argument all wrong.

nooshinjohn

BIZILL wrote: »

let's spin off onto another tangent....

I think that would be tangent nunber 126 for this thread.:eek:;)

BIZILL

yeah, i ain't skeerd.

munk

Bizill, you asked me a decent question and I thought I'd answer. I didn't want to watch the video. I'd already answered the question about drowning in my first post. I wouldn't drown them, but I learned a long time ago to decide what is right for me, and there is little or nothing I can do to change the behavior of others.

I winced when it was mentioned the girl laughed or hooted, but hear me out. There is no person or family in Bosnia untouched by horror. They've either seen it first hand, (and there were mass rapes- the girl is about the right age to have been either born from violence or to have seen one or both parents killed or an immediate family member or her neighbors. ) or have experienced it through the the immediate environment. Family units are broken and displaced in Bosnia.

Several posters wrote they understood once they learned it happened in Bosnia. Victims behave like the girl has. I was a counselor on an acute psychiatric recieving unit in a large metropolitan area. I've consoled patients about to die from their earlier actions. I guess there isn't much I haven't seen. Victims of violent crime act out- and children without the skill set of an adult would behave exactly like the girl has. She has no power over her life, but does over the puppies. Where did that come from? Most of us would not enjoy the experience.

I said in my original post I wanted to know the facts before I judged the girl. Dehumanizing her is exactly what should not be done, and what she is doing to herself by drowning the puppies.

Your point about video Games is a interesting one. We don't know what effect the games have on adults or children. Early research showed harm to children, but that is being debated and more research is needed. At it's best, you'd think having a fantasy game where one can safely 'act out' without hurting others is a good thing. On the other hand, letting the video game raise your children is not a good idea.

Civilized societies have the killing done behind the scenes. There is decorum involved.
There is a version of killing puppies on video games- kind of. There are small rabbits in some role playing games like Sacred or Ego Draconis, and you can kill them. They shriek.
That's scary stuff. I remember the outrage when the car driver game came out and you mowed down pedestrians.

inspiredsports

Jeffrey Dahmer grew up nearby in a nuclear family in an extremely high income community. Not many wars, rapes or killings here, but they found hundreds of small animal skeletons under a deck connected to his home.

bikezappa

This discussion reminds me of the Novel “The Sea Wolf” and the discussion between Wolf Larson and Humphrey that I read and loved in high school.

Humphrey van Weyden is an effete young man of privilege who ends up stranded aboard a sealing ship under the tyrannical control of Wolf Larsen.

Summarized briefly:
Humphrey represents civilized man:
Larsen is the very embodiment of man in the state of nature--brutal, virile, amoral:

Larsen challenges Humphrey's artificial world view with an elemental philosophy of survival of the fittest:
"What do you believe, then?" Humphrey countered.
"I believe that life is a mess," Wolf answered promptly. "It is like yeast, a ferment, a thing that moves and may move for a minute, an hour, a year, or a hundred years, but that in the end will cease to move. The big eat the little that they may continue to move, the strong eat the weak that they may retain their strength. The lucky eat the most and move the longest, that is all. What do you make of those things?"
He swept his arm in an impatient gesture toward a number of the sailors who were working on some kind of rope stuff amidships.
"They move; so does the jellyfish move. They move in order to eat in order that they may keep moving. There you have it. They live for their belly's sake, and the belly is for their sake. It's a circle; you get nowhere. Neither do they. In the end they come to a standstill. They move no more. They are dead."
"They have dreams," I interrupted, "radiant, flashing dreams -- "
"Of grub," he concluded sententiously.
"And of more -- "
"Grub. Of a larger appetite and more luck in satisfying it."
And finally Wolf’s view of life.
“Why, if there is anything in supply and demand, life is the cheapest thing in the world. There is only so much water, so much earth, so much air; but the life that is demanding to be born is limitless. Nature is a spendthrift. Look at the fish and their millions of eggs. For that matter, look at you and me. In our loins are the possibilities of millions of lives. Could we but find time and opportunity and utilize the last bit and every bit of the unborn life that is in us, we could become the fathers of nations and populate continents. Life? Bah! It has no value. Of cheap things it is the cheapest. Everywhere it goes begging. Nature spills it out with a lavish hand. Where there is room for one life, she sows a thousand lives, and it's life eats life till the strongest and most piggish life is left."

BIZILL

munk wrote: »

Bizill, you asked me a decent question and I thought I'd answer. I didn't want to watch the video. I'd already answered the question about drowning in my first post. I wouldn't drown them, but I learned a long time ago to decide what is right for me, and there is little or nothing I can do to change the behavior of others.

I winced when it was mentioned the girl laughed or hooted, but hear me out. There is no person or family in Bosnia untouched by horror. They've either seen it first hand, (and there were mass rapes- the girl is about the right age to have been either born from violence or to have seen one or both parents killed or an immediate family member or her neighbors. ) or have experienced it through the the immediate environment. Family units are broken and displaced in Bosnia.

Several posters wrote they understood once they learned it happened in Bosnia. Victims behave like the girl has. I was a counselor on an acute psychiatric recieving unit in a large metropolitan area. I've consoled patients about to die from their earlier actions. I guess there isn't much I haven't seen. Victims of violent crime act out- and children without the skill set of an adult would behave exactly like the girl has. She has no power over her life, but does over the puppies. Where did that come from? Most of us would not enjoy the experience.

I said in my original post I wanted to know the facts before I judged the girl. Dehumanizing her is exactly what should not be done, and what she is doing to herself by drowning the puppies.

Your point about video Games is a interesting one. We don't know what effect the games have on adults or children. Early research showed harm to children, but that is being debated and more research is needed. At it's best, you'd think having a fantasy game where one can safely 'act out' without hurting others is a good thing. On the other hand, letting the video game raise your children is not a good idea.

Civilized societies have the killing done behind the scenes. There is decorum involved.
There is a version of killing puppies on video games- kind of. There are small rabbits in some role playing games like Sacred or Ego Draconis, and you can kill them. They shriek.
That's scary stuff. I remember the outrage when the car driver game came out and you mowed down pedestrians.

nicely put. but whilst reading your post i couldn't help but feel your thoughts are like those of lawyers who try to "excuse" the actions of murderers to get them from doing hard time. an "enabler" type of mentality. anyway, the video depicts an act of inhumane cruelty of which you seem to keep trying to excuse. watch the vid and i'm curious if you change your demeanor.

Demiurge

Yes, its moral relativism. We're right back to it.

That's OK, too, if that's your thing. They're the same ones who can justify suicide bombers.

snow

munk wrote: »

Bizill, you asked me a decent question and I thought I'd answer. I didn't want to watch the video. I'd already answered the question about drowning in my first post. I wouldn't drown them, but I learned a long time ago to decide what is right for me, and there is little or nothing I can do to change the behavior of others.

I winced when it was mentioned the girl laughed or hooted, but hear me out. There is no person or family in Bosnia untouched by horror. They've either seen it first hand, (and there were mass rapes- the girl is about the right age to have been either born from violence or to have seen one or both parents killed or an immediate family member or her neighbors. ) or have experienced it through the the immediate environment. Family units are broken and displaced in Bosnia.

Several posters wrote they understood once they learned it happened in Bosnia. Victims behave like the girl has. I was a counselor on an acute psychiatric recieving unit in a large metropolitan area. I've consoled patients about to die from their earlier actions. I guess there isn't much I haven't seen. Victims of violent crime act out- and children without the skill set of an adult would behave exactly like the girl has. She has no power over her life, but does over the puppies. Where did that come from? Most of us would not enjoy the experience.

I said in my original post I wanted to know the facts before I judged the girl. Dehumanizing her is exactly what should not be done, and what she is doing to herself by drowning the puppies.

Your point about video Games is a interesting one. We don't know what effect the games have on adults or children. Early research showed harm to children, but that is being debated and more research is needed. At it's best, you'd think having a fantasy game where one can safely 'act out' without hurting others is a good thing. On the other hand, letting the video game raise your children is not a good idea.

Civilized societies have the killing done behind the scenes. There is decorum involved.
There is a version of killing puppies on video games- kind of. There are small rabbits in some role playing games like Sacred or Ego Draconis, and you can kill them. They shriek.
That's scary stuff. I remember the outrage when the car driver game came out and you mowed down pedestrians.

Lets just say your correct in your assumptions that she is scarred mentally due to a wartime childhood it still doesnt justify her actions, it doesnt make it right or ok because of those things.

Some people are cruel and sociopathic period, boys and girls alike, I have met both and they are scary people because they have no concept of right or wrong, the only thing that is important to them is their needs and wants if they felt that me or you was in the way and they could gain something by killing you and they were sure they would get away with it they wouldndt hesitate in doing so and have zero remorse later. As Demi mentioned earlier the fact that it was made into a video and posted on YouTube speaks volumes in my judgement of the event.

REGARDS SNOW

headrott

How did I know the video game thing would come up. Video games, movies and music are only a problem if you can't distiguish between the video game, movie or music and reality. Right? Of course, then we get into an argument about reality which is another form of what Demiurge has called "moral relativism".

Greg

superjunior

didn't even click on the link let alone the video. nothing I'd want to see. lots of sick a-holes out there...

acmf74

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/09/03/2010-09-03_puppy_drowning_girl_found_by_bosnian_police_after_disturbing_video_released_.html

Demiurge

99% of puppies have parasites (cite) that they get from their mother. It sounds like she's sorry she got caught, since she was having a great time saying 'wee' as she hurled them into the drink.

Still, the punishment should fit the crime and as horrible as her actions were, I don't know she deserves much more than a hefty fine, which in that country should sting plenty.

BIZILL

umm hmmm. that's what i'm screamin', without saying a word.

hearingimpared

There you have it folks; even in poor, war-torn, ethnically cleansed or close to it Bosnia has law against barbarity be it human or animal.

"It is a mirror of society and the fact that young people are doing such things shows how they have been raised," Ivanisevic said.

Sounds like we here in the good Ole USA are always railing and spouting . . . it's a reflection of how they've been raised. However awful their past there are still consequences to their actions.

munk

, "I would like to appologize for my behavior. The puppies belonged to my grandma and she told me to get rid of them because they were only 3 days and were ill. They had parasites from their mother. I didn't knew exactly what to do so I thrown them in the river because it was a short death. I did not want to make them suffer. I am really sorry for this :-( "

The video apology has since been removed, and the girl's identity could not be verified.

Velimir Ivanisevic, head of Sarajevo animal group SOS, said he was told the original video was filmed by the girl's brother.

"It is a mirror of society and the fact that young people are doing such things shows how they have been raised," Ivanisevic said.

snow

munk wrote: »

, "I would like to appologize for my behavior. The puppies belonged to my grandma and she told me to get rid of them because they were only 3 days and were ill. They had parasites from their mother. I didn't knew exactly what to do so I thrown them in the river because it was a short death. I did not want to make them suffer. I am really sorry for this :-( "

The video apology has since been removed, and the girl's identity could not be verified.

Velimir Ivanisevic, head of Sarajevo animal group SOS, said he was told the original video was filmed by the girl's brother.

"It is a mirror of society and the fact that young people are doing such things shows how they have been raised," Ivanisevic said.

Sorry perhaps im dense but whats your point here?

REGARDS SNOW