This makes me sick!!!

Jstas

jflail2 wrote: »

I hear where you're coming from to a certain extent. I voiced this same opinion regarding the mosque near ground zero the other day and was nearly beaten to death with an American flag shirt.

While we more times than not miss the big issues b/c we're too busy focusing on the small ones, it doesn't mean the small ones are any less repugnant. I don't see why you'd be angry at people's reactions to this story. Sounds more like you're angry at the non-reaction to more pressing matters.

And my previous statement stands. As much as you like to write those long rambling responses, why don't you put that talent to work and start cranking out your own publication/website if you don't like what mass media is putting out there. As I said, it seems to have worked out ok for Matt Drudge...

Because I don't care to. Nor do I wish to devote the time to it. You can stop making the suggestion because it has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed. You're committing a "straw man" and my lethargy towards a news aggregator website ('cause that's what Drudge actually runs, he doesn't write his own stories) has no bearing on how news actually gets reported or how people react to it.

Oh and your shot at my "long rambling responses" is not appreciated. My responses are not rambling, I put a great deal of thought in to crafting them. Yes they are long but, I have alot to say and since everything I say or do is questioned and/or attacked, I defend my stance out of the gate just to get past it. It rarely works but if I'm short with my responses, I'm called a meanie and chastised for being a jerk. So I'll continue with my responses. If you don't like it, don't read them.

headrott

That thing throwing the puppies is not human. That is totally disgusting and that thing should be tied to a weight and thrown in itself. I do not understand such cruelty to something so helpless. Disgusting.

Greg

inspiredsports

Good God, I thought I was hardcore, but that was not easy to watch. And at one point after the third or fourth she seems to be uttering celebratory noises. I don't know how she can sleep at night without dreams of soggy creatures eating her alive.

jflail2

Jstas wrote: »

Because I don't care to. Nor do I wish to devote the time to it. You can stop making the suggestion because it has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed. You're committing a "straw man" and my lethargy towards a news aggregator website ('cause that's what Drudge actually runs, he doesn't write his own stories) has no bearing on how news actually gets reported or how people react to it.

Oh and your shot at my "long rambling responses" is not appreciated. My responses are not rambling, I put a great deal of thought in to crafting them. Yes they are long but, I have alot to say and since everything I say or do is questioned and/or attacked, I defend my stance out of the gate just to get past it. It rarely works but if I'm short with my responses, I'm called a meanie and chastised for being a jerk. So I'll continue with my responses. If you don't like it, don't read them.

I know full well what the Drudge Report is composed of; I read it daily. He does seem to aggregate the stories that are meaningful to him, so the site seems to have "his angle" to what news is being aggregated there.

In regards to your responses, I actually always like reading them because A. I don't get mad at people on Al Gore's internets b/c I honestly just don't care that much (so they're not going to upset me), B. I do find humorous the vitriol that usually follows them, and C. While I may not agree with everything you say I do find value in the way you present your opinions.

It might not hurt to be so defensive to be honest...all i was getting at was that you usually have long responses, so why not use that urge to write elsewhere in a format that would allow you to expose your opinions to others in a more widely read presentation. You're obviously not interested, which is fine; once again I could honestly care less. Hah, I guess I'lll apologize for using "rambling." How about "incredibly complete".

Back to your regularly scheduled argument. Carry on.

Jstas

snow wrote: »

Sorry to dissapoint you but I dont think people are more outraged about puppies being thrown into a river than babies being tossed off bridges take a poll if you dont believe me.

The reason why this particular sad tale is getting the press it is currently is that it is uncommon, you dont see every accidental drive by shooting of a child reported either by the national and international news nor do you see stories about every beating of an eastern woman etc because it has became so common place that it would hardly get a glance but a story of a 102 year old woman fending off a home invasion would get more attention than a man jumping into a icy river to save 4 children and drowning himself even though one is more heroic than the other.

The media will print whatever story they feel will get the most attention and or sell more papers rather than what may actually be more important in the grand scheme of things.


REGARDS SNOW

Sorry to disappoint you but you have yet again missed my point and I think you are being deliberate about it. It's going nowhere fast and I've grown weary of restating and attempting to illustrate my point.

The video sucks. That's a fact. People are nosy looky-loos. That's also a fact. But puppies getting thrown in to a river does not warrant the reaction it's getting. Not in my opinion at least. I don't care how many times something has or hasn't been seen. Desensitization is not an excuse for placing animal cruelty above a human tragedy like the ethnic cleansing and other travesties committed by that **** Milosevic and the subsequent social issues that remain. Including refugees to the tune of approx. 140,000 and that fact that the U.N. still maintains a rather large "civil policing" force in the region of about 2500 men. It's 15 years later and there are still massive problems in that country. The least of which is a girl throwing puppies in to a river.

That's my opinion. If it offends you or you disagree with it, good for you. I'm done with it.

concealer404

I think i'm going to have a harsher reaction to the puppies.

Since, you know.... it was actually reported on today.

I didn't see any of the other stuff in the news. That doesn't make me a bad or maligned person for not reacting to it or getting up in arms about it. It simply makes me uninformed. And i'm uninformed because of what's reported to me. I don't react to stuff that i don't read or hear about.

I'm fairly sure that most here are in the same boat. Tirades against that don't help anything.

This thread is about inhuman acts against puppies. It's a horrible thing. Everyone should feel free to react without "fear" of online retribution.

zombie boy 2000

For the record... I wouldn't in a million years even attempt to look at that video. Hell... I refuse to squash bugs or swat flies.

Even with that mindset (twisted as it may be), I still can't help but find it odd that so many would hammer away at their keyboards decrying ANYONE in freakin' Bosnia. Seriously? Try walking a MINUTE in any of their shoes. "Poor puppy"?

Trust me. Her mindset is on a whole different plane than any of our's. For better or worse.

tonyb

Your certainly entitled to your opinion John, but for a subject you claim to not warrent the attention, you sure are giving it enough.
Yes it's terrible, does it compare with human sacrifices ? No, but it still remains brutal.
Anyone who can be that brutal to an animal is only a hair away from being the same to another human.

snow

Jstas wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint you but you have yet again missed my point and I think you are being deliberate about it. It's going nowhere fast and I've grown weary of restating and attempting to illustrate my point.

The video sucks. That's a fact. People are nosy looky-loos. That's also a fact. But puppies getting throwing in to a river does not warrant the reaction it's getting. Not in my opinion at least. I don't care how many times something has or hasn't been seen. Desensitization is not an excuse for placing animal cruelty above a human tragedy like the ethnic cleansing and other travesties committed by that **** Milosevic and the subsequent social issues that remain. Including refugees to the tune of approx. 140,000 and that fact that the U.N. still maintains a rather large "civil policing" force in the region of about 2500 men. It's 15 years later and there are still massive problems in that country. The least of which is a girl throwing puppies in to a river.

That's my opinion. If it offends you or you disagree with it, good for you. I'm done with it.

No I understand your point completely it sems that your missing mine, you asked why the puppies story was getting so much attention and I explained why, Never once did I say nor did anyone else here say the other things that have happened in bosnia and serbia are any less horrific, their not and in fact are even more so. That doesnt make the people feeling empathatic about the puppies tale bad people or any less human, it all sucks killing people or puppies. We as humans can feel bad about both things at the same time without lessening the evil of either one.

Blame the media if you wish for reporting on stories you feel are less important it isnt going to change anything though they are going to report on whatever they feel is going to get peoples attention irregardless.

REGARDS SNOW

hearingimpared

Jstas wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint you but you have yet again missed my point and I think you are being deliberate about it. It's going nowhere fast and I've grown weary of restating and attempting to illustrate my point.

The video sucks. That's a fact. People are nosy looky-loos. That's also a fact. But puppies getting thrown in to a river does not warrant the reaction it's getting. Not in my opinion at least. I don't care how many times something has or hasn't been seen. Desensitization is not an excuse for placing animal cruelty above a human tragedy like the ethnic cleansing and other travesties committed by that **** Milosevic and the subsequent social issues that remain. Including refugees to the tune of approx. 140,000 and that fact that the U.N. still maintains a rather large "civil policing" force in the region of about 2500 men. It's 15 years later and there are still massive problems in that country. The least of which is a girl throwing puppies in to a river.

That's my opinion. If it offends you or you disagree with it, good for you. I'm done with it.

Unfortunately this type of behavior has been going on in that region of the world forever and a day. WWI was ignited because of ethnic unrest, racism, plain inhumanity brought on those people. That is a fact! It's never been totally resolved and I'm afraid to say may never be solved because of ancient and modern grudges.

I don't see the area the puppy incident occured as being relevant.

IMHO it is savage barbarity to do what that girl did. Even though savage barbarity is practiced on humans in various countries is a daily event, it doesn't make this incident any less sickening.

It's so sick in my mind that I actually fear watching the video! Curiosity has not even come in to play.

kevhed72

There is good in the world, and there is evil.
My question is, why did this publication post the video? Sometimes I think the media and U Tube need to take a stand and say, 'You know what, we are not going to post / publish that because it's just not right'.

Jstas

snow wrote: »

No I understand your point completely it sems that your missing mine, you asked why the puppies story was getting so much attention and I explained why, Never once did I say nor did anyone else here say the other things that have happened in bosnia and serbia are any less horrific, their not and in fact are even more so. That doesnt make the people feeling empathatic about the puppies tale bad people or any less human, it all sucks killing people or puppies. We as humans can feel bad about both things at the same time.

REGARDS SNOW

OK, last time.

I'm not talking about people at Club Polk.

I'm talking about the people who work for places like CNN or The Wall Street Journal or Fox News. People are going to feel empathetic. It's natural. A defenseless being is being destroyed for no apparent reason, only what can be speculated from the video posted on YouTube.

Meanwhile, the situation in that entire strip of land, not just Bosnia, is still quite dire. Yet you don't hear about it anymore. What do you hear about? A girl, whose formative years were spent during a period of horrific war peppered with heinous atrocities committed against humanity for which several people were convicted of and sentenced for. We are quick to be outraged about the obvious abuse but, at the same time, we totally lack compassion for the obviously damaged youth committing the act and chose instead to call her a monster because of her actions. We know little of her or her world yet she has become an international pariah because she was hurting the poor puppies.

Why? Because, like you said, the news reports what sells, not what matters. That, to me is disgusting. What's worse is that we lap it up and ask for more completely content to ignore the rest of the world around us. I'll bet that if you took one of those outraged animal rights activists and asked them to show you, on a globe, with labeled countries, where Bosnia and Herzegovina actually is, they couldn't do it. But damnit! They're killin' puppies over there! :mad:

Like zombieboy said, the girl in teh video, her mindset and many others over there is on a whole different plane than ours. But we don't see it and we can't identify with it so it's ok to stay uninformed and form a knee-jerk opinion about something we are so far removed from that it seems like a different planet to us. All because that's what the news tells us to know so why should we look further than that? What's more to know? A great deal more, apparently. Just because the news media deems it unworthy doesn't mean it doesn't still matter.

Jstas

hearingimpared wrote: »

Unfortunately this type of behavior has been going on in that region of the world forever and a day. WWI was ignited because of ethnic unrest, racism, plain inhumanity brought on those people. That is a fact! It's never been totally resolved and I'm afraid to say may never be solved because of ancient and modern grudges.

I don't see the area the puppy incident occured as being relevant.

IMHO it is savage barbarity to do what that girl did. Even though savage barbarity is practiced on humans in various countries is a daily event, it doesn't make this incident any less sickening.

It's so sick in my mind that I actually fear watching the video! Curiosity has not even come in to play.

I agree, it is sickening to see it. But I do think that the region it is from has alot to do with it.

Regional influences can be very powerful. Do you remember the story about a 9 year old girl and a 12 year old girl being beaten and raped by a group of 12-13 year old boys? Happened right here in this country. We asked "How can that happen in America?" Well, here's how. They didn't grow up here.

They grew up in one of the many nations in Africa that is torn by war, civil unrest and ethnic bigotry. Those boys watched grown men do the same to women and girls around them when they were young and impressionable. Those boys grew up in the environment where it was wrong but it was accepted and put up with because nobody did anything about it. So they become refugees and ended up here. That behavior doesn't change overnight. Here it's illegal and a punishable crime. But there, it is a learned reality of life.

It's entirely regional because many people here live long, productive lives without that thought ever entering their heads mainly because just hearing that it happened sickens them so much.

So yeah, it is wrong. But just because it keeps happening doesn't make it right nor does it mean there shouldn't be some intervention on behalf of the innocents. At the same time, the regional differences do create such situations and the mental situation of the region will not change until the physical situation of the region does.

Demiurge

Ah, moral relativism. :rolleyes:

snow

Jstas wrote: »

OK, last time.

I'm not talking about people at Club Polk.

I'm talking about the people who work for places like CNN or The Wall Street Journal or Fox News. People are going to feel empathetic. It's natural. A defenseless being is being destroyed for no apparent reason, only what can be speculated from the video posted on YouTube.

Meanwhile, the situation in that entire strip of land, not just Bosnia, is still quite dire. Yet you don't hear about it anymore. What do you hear about? A girl, whose formative years were spent during a period of horrific war peppered with heinous atrocities committed against humanity for which several people were convicted of and sentenced for. We are quick to be outraged about the obvious abuse but, at the same time, we totally lack compassion for the obviously damaged youth committing the act and chose instead to call her a monster because of her actions. We know little of her or her world yet she has become an international pariah because she was hurting the poor puppies.

Why? Because, like you said, the news reports what sells, not what matters. That, to me is disgusting. What's worse is that we lap it up and ask for more completely content to ignore the rest of the world around us. I'll bet that if you took one of those outraged animal rights activists and asked them to show you, on a globe, with labeled countries, where Bosnia and Herzegovina actually is, they couldn't do it. But damnit! They're killin' puppies over there! :mad:

Like zombieboy said, the girl in teh video, her mindset and many others over there is on a whole different plane than ours. But we don't see it and we can't identify with it so it's ok to stay uninformed and form a knee-jerk opinion about something we are so far removed from that it seems like a different planet to us. All because that's what the news tells us to know so why should we look further than that? What's more to know? A great deal more, apparently. Just because the news media deems it unworthy doesn't mean it doesn't still matter.

Well I dont lack compassion for the girl involved, I cant speak for anyone else. It may even be as horrible as it sounds that tossing the puppies in the river was the best choice, for all I know they could starve to death if they hadndt been which given the choice between slow painful starvation and a quick death as cruel as it may seem to be may acctually be the compassionate thing to do.

REGARDS SNOW

zombie boy 2000

I think what John is trying to point out is that FACT that we become so up in arms about such atrocities, yet certain things happen (even more horrible) day-in, day-out with nary a thread or post on this forum or another. A puppy gets tossed in a river and every single person has something to which snag an empathetic cord. I get it.

But where are the threads screaming about the injustices that are happening EVERY DAY in that nation? Some food for thought... I wonder why so many would denounce our media's fascination with the likes of Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan, but would so readily use this isolated example to raise the proverbial banner.

This article seems oddly appropriate...
http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html

Demiurge

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

But where are the threads screaming about the injustices that are happening EVERY DAY in that nation?

...any time such a thread pops up here it is locked on political grounds.

Furthermore, seeing the video sets people off far more than simply hearing about it. I wasn't as impacted as much by reading about Nick Berg getting his head sawed off as I was when I actually saw it. Human nature.

dorokusai

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

Where is even HALF of the outrage when it comes to, you know, little things... like "ethnic cleansing" in Eastern Europe?

I agree ZB3K....Rwanda for example. I hate the video and deplore the actions but there are far worse things to be concerned about....sorry, pick your battles.

Demiurge

Nobody cares about Africa. What are you thinking? All we care about are puppies.

zombie boy 2000

Will someone PLEASE think of the lemurs?!?!?

snow

The moment that any of you post a story or video about the atrocties comitted in any of the countries talked about earlier I will show my outrage, in the meantime let the record show me as saying that it is truly awful and im outraged in advance.



REGARDS SNOW

hearingimpared

Demiurge wrote: »

...any time such a thread pops up here it is locked on political grounds.

Furthermore, seeing the video sets people off far more than simply hearing about it. I wasn't as impacted as much by reading about Nick Berg getting his head sawed off as I was when I actually saw it. Human nature.

Man I wish I hadn't seen that either! At the time I didn't think it real and was curious as to how they pulled it off (no pun intended).

Never again . . . that's where I learned my lesson of passing on terrible videos. . . Thanks again for another answer to the question as to why I won't watch that video of the pups Dave!

ODD thing, the other night I was going to sleep and somehow got to thinking of that image of those animals holding Nick's head up and it really freaked me out!

dorokusai

snow wrote: »

The moment that any of you post a story or video about the atrocties comitted in any of the countries talked about earlier I will show my outrage, in the meantime let the record show me as saying that it is truly awful and im outraged in advance.



REGARDS SNOW

Blockbuster or Netflix can handle your commitment.

zombie boy 2000

snow wrote: »

The moment that any of you post a story or video about the atrocties comitted in any of the countries talked about earlier I will show my outrage, in the meantime let the record show me as saying that it is truly awful and im outraged in advance.



REGARDS SNOW

No one is questioning your motives. What I can't help but question is why these sort of topics tend to get people more riled up than others.

Ten thousand Romanians fall down a well? Farce.
One puppy stubs his/her toe? Tragedy.

zombie boy 2000

Jinks Doro.
Jinks.

snow

dorokusai wrote: »

Blockbuster or Netflix can handle your commitment.

I am outraged by the fact that all the posters complaining about the lack of outrage havent posted any stories to be outraged over

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

No one is questioning your motives. What I can't help but question is why these sort of topics tend to get people more riled up than others.

Ten thousand Romanians fall down a well? Farce.
One puppy stubs his/her toe? Tragedy.

Easy it hits home easier when its something that you can relate to on a more personal level, not all of us have Ten thousand Romanians living nearby that we know and love but virtually all of us have or have had a pet we care/cared about at some point in our lifes.

That doesnt make it right it just makes it what it is.

For what little its worth John I agree with you ZB and Mark that there are far more news worthy stories that should take precedent over puppies.



REGARDS SNOW

mrbiron

*Door opens*

Room

ROAR ROAR ROAR PUPPIES ROAR ROAR FLICKEN GIRL ROAR ROAR BOSNIA

*Man slowly retraces steps back through the door from which he came*

munk

Places where life is, or has been cheap, will have some people acting out in cruel ways. There's no telling what that girl saw or lived through.

If this had been Somalia, she would have eaten the puppies. Things are even worse there.

It's bad to kill animals. But many people still drown unwanted litters of puppies and kittens. There are so many unspayed and unneutered animals in the US that unwanted critters starve and are put down. There is a mouse trap commonly sold that is a live catch; people in Montana then take the trap and sink it in a bucket of water. Is a mouse less or more than a puppy? I don't know the answers to these things, but before I fix any extra loathing I might have onto that girl I'd like to know all the facts.

The World pretty much sat by and watched genocide in Darfur (sic) recently. Those were people, not puppies.

This world is a painful place.

nooshinjohn

munk wrote: »

This world is a painful place.

That is an understatement. We have yet to mention the barbaric Iranian practice of stoning women to death, and forcing their own children to participate!:mad:

headrott

Is it me, or are some people trying to dismiss what the girl in the video is doing to the environment she was brought up in?? "Well, she lived in/through hell so it's OK to throw a bucket full of puppies in the river?!?!" It seems like that's what some people are saying and if so shame on you. Does it make it OK to premeditatively kill something/someone because you were brought up in an environment of premeditated killing? Absolutely not. It's crazy to think otherwise.

Greg