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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2010
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    With the time alignment of the new TL series alone I would say they would DESTROY the RM series...

    Time alignment is no joke
    The main reason I want to do some AB comparision when the TL3s comes out, afterall better SQ than little more power. Just a deception that Polk didn't take the opportunity to go back with the larger drivers as I am more concerned about the lack of low end in the mid range of the TLs (at least the TL1). The human voice can go down as low as 85 hz so, IMHO any satellite that can not accomplish as low as 80 hz might be doomed to poor HT duty since the LCR should simply reject the lower human frequency and I,m afraid this might might simply be dumped to the subwoofer? If not then lost? Or maybe distortion? I'm not an engineer, just an humble tech but my limited knowledge somehow tells me I wouldn't get the best results if the satellite doesn't go down at least to 80 hz????
    The voiced speech of a typical adult male will have a fundamental frequency of from 85 to 155 Hz.
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Frequency_range_for_a_male_voice unfortunately, at this time of the night I couldn't find better reference but I know I have some better somewhere. BTW, on page 24 of Polk HT handbook; ''Male vocals should be deep, but never boomy or chesty'' Again, according to Polk HT Handbook, ''The center speaker needs to reproduce sounds from 100 hz and up'' of course the remainder should timber match.
    Topper says; wow those older RMs look pretty good
    Agreed, IMHO, much better quality and much better looking than the present RMs. There also was a better-greater selection of RMs then. You could upgrade and-or mix some RM30s (which I own 6) http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/specs/recent/rm30/ (not super powerfull but even goes slightly lower in the mid (65 hz) and you could also acquire the towers (RM40s which are kind of an RM30 in a tower casing) http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/specs/recent/rm40t/ or even better the full tower (RM50 which had more drivers and slightly better specs, not enough to make any real difference but...). Unfortunately I could never put my hands on the Towers as I didn't realize that series was phasing out. Neverless, I,m happy I bought those vintage RMs as the RM75, 85 and 95s NEVER appealed to me and there is NO way I would have bought any of them the VM series never appealed to me either. Since I really wanted to settle for satellites for the HT, maybe I would have to move away from Polk.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2010
    Ah! Here's some of the answer I was looking for;
    The TL2 distinguishes itself from the more compact TL1 with its use of Polk's patented PowerPort technology; and features ¾" silk dome tweeters and 3-¼" composite injection molded cones with Dynamic Balance Driver Technology. The TL1 Series employ ½" silk dome tweeters, 2-½" long-throw drivers, and tuned satellite and centre channel rear ports.
    I wonder what the TL3 will offer over these 2 :cool: Any specs available for the TL2 and TL3?

    http://www.marketnews.ca/LatestNewsHeadlines/Polk%E2%80%99sBlackstoneBridgesGapBetweenHTIBAudiophileSurroundSpeakerSystems.html

    Afterall, maybe they'll also be available in canada before Xmas :cool:
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2010
    OK, my bad all of the TL specs are available in the originally provided TL review;

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=51370&d=1282292487
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  • Topper
    Topper Posts: 403
    edited August 2010
    I'm very excited about the TL3 (almost more than the new LSi M gear even... almost :)). Just hope pricing ain't like in the scary range or anything though :)
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2010
    Topper wrote: »
    I'm very excited about the TL3 (almost more than the new LSi M gear even... almost :)). Just hope pricing ain't like in the scary range or anything though :)
    It can't be that much more than the TL1 or TL2. I believe tha start price is 79$ each for the TL1 and I guess a little per speakers if you buy a 5 or 5.1 package. When you look at it, there isn't that much difference between the 3, right?
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  • Topper
    Topper Posts: 403
    edited August 2010
    TL3 looks like its using something very similar to the 'sonic engine' theyr using in the upcoming LSiM (ring radiator tweets with their fancy new 3.5" mids). I'm sure its going to be a huge step up over the TL2 which in itself looks like a huge step up over the TL1.

    (Cant say for sure but i expect even music to sound spectacular on the TL3)
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2010
    They set the bar for satellites in my book. Polk hit the ball outta the park here.
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  • Topper
    Topper Posts: 403
    edited August 2010
    yo DORO just out of curiosity - have ya heard those DefTech procinema systems? You think them new TL2s can stand with them? Or even with them Focal Dome satellite systems?
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,093
    edited August 2010
    Man, I'm STOKED...can't wait to hear the new LSi's. I'm fired up abotut new Polks and it's been a long time since I've felt that way. Hard to believe it's been almost a decade since the original LSi's came out.....

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2010
    Topper wrote: »
    yo DORO just out of curiosity - have ya heard those DefTech procinema systems? You think them new TL2s can stand with them? Or even with them Focal Dome satellite systems?

    Yes, I have heard them and they are equals from my perspective. I have not hear the Focal Dome series and probably won't in the short term so I can't comment on them specifically.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • newsman
    newsman Posts: 203
    edited August 2010
    Wow, can't believe this thread died already. We need more pixs! :D
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited August 2010
    Josh wrote: »
    There's also closer pics of the AR equipment.

    Does the AR Tube pre comes with the speakers? Is it Ref 5?
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2010
    newsman wrote: »
    Wow, can't believe this thread died already. We need more pixs! :D
    I would believe Mar is busy working on the gear audition project so IMHO, we will more likely see new threads appearing for each individual new products that will be part of the demo project(s), maybe... ;):) Can't wait for people to actually physically see the product and provide their impressions on their dem(s) :cool:
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  • wz2p7j
    wz2p7j Posts: 840
    edited August 2010
    I haven't seen any dimensions for the new towers. H X W X D. Also how heavy? Sorry if I missed it. This is a pretty long thread!

    Thx, Chris
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2010
    wz2p7j wrote: »
    I haven't seen any dimensions for the new towers. H X W X D. Also how heavy? Sorry if I missed it. This is a pretty long thread!

    Thx, Chris

    Nothing yet since it's still in final development. I know that they...well, gotta hold out for that since I didn't ask ahead of time. The final result is still going thru some minor changes.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2010
    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    I would believe Mar is busy working on the gear audition project so IMHO, we will more likely see new threads appearing for each individual new products that will be part of the demo project(s), maybe... ;):) Can't wait for people to actually physically see the product and provide their impressions on their dem(s) :cool:

    I'm just a conduit for this stuff but there is a Blackstone and LSiM demo on the horizon.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Does the AR Tube pre comes with the speakers? Is it Ref 5?

    No, and yes, Ref5.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited September 2010
    No gears can't possibly sound bad driving down that AR Pre even though I don't do tubey thingy.

    I am interested to learn if there is any other gear used in the Demo when the LSiM are unveiled to the public?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited September 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    No gears can't possibly sound bad driving down that AR Pre even though I don't do tubey thingy.

    I am interested to learn if there is any other gear used in the Demo when the LSiM are unveiled to the public?

    For the demo....Pioneer Elite as a transport and an external DAC that I fail to recall. The Blackstone stuff was ran off pedestrian gear and sounded equally awesome...comparatively.

    As far as the public goes, the in-house demos will vary considerably. What hits the B&M? I have no idea since that hasn't been made formal to me.
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited September 2010
    I really hope the tower series will be available for in house demo. I got some good toys to play them.

    I understand logistics and shipping is potentially a problem for towers to be part of in house demo so I may have to order one. Do I hear discount for polkie early adoption?

    Oh, the excitement of owning one.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited September 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Do I hear discount for polkie early adoption?

    While you can pre-order, I do not think there is a discount. If there was a discount then a pre-order would make sense. For example, if list price is 4K then a good Internet store would sell them for $3200. That is a worth while pre-order discount.
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited September 2010
    I think it will be unlike the current LSi series; the distribution and retailers of the new LSiM will be handpicked and selected so I doubt you'll see much of any retailer discounting much from MSRP. There will also be limited supplies for a long time, I guess. Just to make sure they don't flood the market and reduce the MSRP.

    We'll see what Polk says anyway.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited September 2010
    BlueFox wrote: »
    While you can pre-order, I do not think there is a discount. If there was a discount then a pre-order would make sense. For example, if list price is 4K then a good Internet store would sell them for $3200. That is a worth while pre-order discount.

    You cannot pre-order at this time. It's an idea that has been discussed but is not available at this time. I'm not sure where you got your information. I know I mentioned the prospect earlier in the thread but not a definite.

    Will there be a discount for pre-order? It's also been talked about and I would expect a positive result, but that's just my opinion.

    There will not be a LSiM tower in the demo program. It's too expensive and too expensive to ship. I'm sure that an individual can get the full feeling of the new series with a smaller model, as it's sonically the same thing.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,093
    edited September 2010
    Well, eff it then...guess I'll just have to buy a pair of the towers. Hopefully coincides nicely with my return from the sandbox.

    My pants are going crazy. Not as crazy as Mark makes them....but crazy all the same.

    BDT
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited September 2010
    I want a pair of towers BAD Troy....BAD. But I'll probably use a pair of nice stands I have for the bookends instead and may run dual center channels, wireless FX for rear channels, who knows....the idea list is endless.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,093
    edited September 2010
    Can't wait to get my ears on them....I haven't been this excited about audio in a LONG time.

    BDT
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,093
    edited September 2010
    TroyD wrote: »
    Can't wait to get my ears on them....I haven't been this excited about audio in a LONG time.

    BDT

    +1...I'm chomping at the bit to hear the new monitors & do an intense A/B comparison with my current monitors. Could possibly be a new sheriff in town?????
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2010
    Not sure if there will be a separate thread for the demo, but just in case,

    I'M IN!!
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  • lumpy
    lumpy Posts: 113
    edited September 2010
    are the woofers in the towers active or passive?
    pop

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,658
    edited September 2010
    Hello,
    They are passive, no built-in amplifier.
    Regards, Ken
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