Revenge of the Sith (mega spoilers)

ohskigod · May 2005

the starwars.com database says Mace was bested at swordplay by only Yoda and Count Dooku (training i assume).

gregure · May 2005

I agree Sideous appears to have been in control of the situation in terms of predicting the outcome, but I just wish it had been played out differently. Then again, it does fit his character to scar himself for life to if that is what was needed to further his goals.

I still think from the fight it was clear that Yoda was more powerful than Sideous, as he was clearly a better swordsman, and could repel Sideous's bolt blasts. Again, if they had been on level ground, Sideous would have been history. But of course, it was the particular situation that forced Yoda to flee.

wingnut4772 · May 2005

Are you saying Sideous had the higher ground?:D

kberg · May 2005

Originally posted by gregure
I couldn't help but laugh aloud at the end when Vader screamed "NOOOOO!" after learning of Padme's death. So freakin' corny.

Yeah, this was definitely a killer.

DarqueKnight · May 2005

The film has an overall "rushed" vibe to it. The underlying feeling I got from watching this was that Lucas was (is) tired of all this and was rushing to get it over with and move on to other things.

MacLeod · May 2005

What other things? Star Wars is all Lucas is!

begbie · May 2005

Originally posted by DarqueKnight
The film has an overall "rushed" vibe to it. The underlying feeling I got from watching this was that Lucas was (is) tired of all this and was rushing to get it over with and move on to other things.

Actually I heard he's already scanning for actors in a 100 episode tv series on Star Wars and than tinker the idea of making the trilogy in 3D ?!

He's not finished with Star Wars, doubt he ever will. It's his baby and he'll do every bit to make sure his name/legacy will live on. :rolleyes:

Anyways, his rush to "connect the dots" and leave even more questions unanswered is really just bad directing.

Toxis · May 2005

Originally posted by MacLeod
What other things? Star Wars is all Lucas is!

True... Indiana Jones was by far more Speilberg than Lucas anyhow.

I'm still pissed they're making a new IJ. :mad: :rolleyes:

simm · May 2005

Saw this yesterday. My thoughts were best of the 3 new ones but I had issues with several scenes and I believe they have been mentioned already.

- Padme dying so easily

- the quick transformation of Anakin

- the incredibly wimpy " NOOOO" by Vader after being told Padme was dead. This was in fact my biggest disappointment with the movie, it made Vader seem like this big black puss.

- the fact that Obi Wan left Anakin to die- since Obi Wan claimed he loved him as a brother I feel he should have either killed him out of mercy or as a Jedi Master as punishment for betraying the Jedi order.

Did anyone notice how the space ships towards the end of the movie began to look more like the ships in Ep 4 instead of as high tech as they had in the first 2 movies?

gregure · May 2005

Just watched Empire and Jedi last night. They really do have a different feel now after watching Sith. However, I did get to thinking....
In Clones, Anakin was blasted with force lightning by Dooku, and again in Jedi from the Emperor, a full-powered blast strong enough to kill him.
Luke sustained several, long blasts from the Emperor as well. Despite this, neither Luke nor Anakin are scarred or deformed from the Emperor's blasts.
However, the Emperor himself is deformed from his blasts after only about 20 seconds. I find this conspicuously inconsistent.

DarqueKnight · May 2005

I attribute it to the fact that the emperor was receiving reflected blasts at "point blank" range whereas Luke and Anakin received blasts from across the room. I'm sure the energy blasts lost strength with distance. In addition, the blasts Luke and Anakin received were deflected a bit by the thick clothing they wore. The emperor took it full strength, at close range, on bare skin.

Recall that in ROTJ Vader took a direct contact blast from the emperor after grabbing him and just before throwing him down the shaft. That blast was enough to kill him, in spite of the heavy armor he wore. However, I suspect that Vader's death was more attributable to the damage to his life support devices rather than electrocution.

hoosier21 · May 2005

Here is a **** I have. The selective use of the power of the force.

I mean Yoda (and all Jedi) feel and see all this "stuff", every turn it seems a Jedi feels"x" in the force...

BUT!

Anikin doesn't know his mother is truely dying or in great danger?

Dearth Vader doesn't know he has 2 kids?

Dearth Vader doesn't know his young son (Luke) AND Obi-Wan Kenobi are in hiding on the very same planet he grew up on?

Dearth Vader doesn'y know the captured Princess Leia has the force and is his daughter?

DarqueKnight · May 2005

As I understand it, clear insight into the "force" comes through much meditation, which is why Yoda spent so much time in meditation. Anakin was preoccupied with intense Jedi training, which was at odds with his attachment to his mother. Furthermore, the Jedi had lost much of their power to use the force to see into the future.

Vader was preoccupied with subjugating an entire galaxy, hunting down and exterminating the remnants of the Jedi Order, and seeking an opportunity to overthrow the emperor.

Tatooine seemed to be a good place for Luke and Obi Wan to hide.

1. It was far outside of the Empire/Republic and was populated by peole who had no allegiance to, or fear of, either the Old Republic or the Empire. Remember when Qui Gon Jinn said that if Anakin had been born in the Republic, he would have been identified sooner? Also, the the junk dealer Watto refused to accept Republic credits from Qui Gon Jinn because "they are no good out here".

2. Tatooine was a remote, dry, inhospitable world that had no natural resources of interest to either the Old Republic or the Empire, thus, it was left alone. This was one of the reasons why the Hutt used Tatooine as their base of operations for their criminal empire.

3. Tatooine offered a measure of protection due to the principle of "hiding in plain sight".

4. Vader's thought's of his relatively happy former life were probably too painful for him to dwell on. He probably pushed all thoughts of Tatooine, his mother, and his wife as far back in his mind as possible.

jdhdiggs · May 2005

Here's the thing I'm not getting:

Everyone keeps saying how quickly he turned... What? He started with the sand people in two, really started rolling down hill after the Dooku battle and didn't complete his fall until Obi-Wan left his dumb a$$. There was no snap decision. The spelling it out for the youngins was quick, but the fall was much longer than people keep making it out.

That said, the dialog sucked, once again! :mad:

Otherwise entertaining.

DarqueKnight · May 2005

One thing I wished Lucas had spelled out was Anakin's origin. His mother said "there was no father" and that she "didn't know what happened".

Palpatine told Anakin that his former Sith master had learned how to create life from the midiclorians, which alluded to Palpatine's master being responsible for creating Anakin.

PhantomOG · May 2005

Originally posted by jdhdiggs
Here's the thing I'm not getting:

Everyone keeps saying how quickly he turned... What? He started with the sand people in two, really started rolling down hill after the Dooku battle and didn't complete his fall until Obi-Wan left his dumb a$$. There was no snap decision. The spelling it out for the youngins was quick, but the fall was much longer than people keep making it out.

i guess with me it was just the scene with Windu and the Emperor. They made it obvious that Anakin knew he had made a mistake, but then instantly, he just pledges allegiance to the Emperor. Just doesn't make sense to me. Anakin wasn't an idiot. From what I remember that scene was the instant he completely turned, and I just don't see anything compelling enough in that one scene for it to happen that way.

hoosier21 · May 2005

OK I am showing how little I know of the Star Wars series (movies)

Was there a Star Wars book or series of books?

DarqueKnight · May 2005

Originally posted by hoosier21
Was there a Star Wars book or series of books?

There were legions of them. Each movie had (has) an accompaning novel. There are scores of "expanded series" books too.

jdhdiggs · May 2005

Originally posted by PhantomOG
i guess with me it was just the scene with Windu and the Emperor. They made it obvious that Anakin knew he had made a mistake, but then instantly, he just pledges allegiance to the Emperor. Just doesn't make sense to me. Anakin wasn't an idiot. From what I remember that scene was the instant he completely turned, and I just don't see anything compelling enough in that one scene for it to happen that way.

The pledging loyalty thing started at the opera, continued when Anikan pulled his lightsaber on the emporer and concluded with that scene. All in all, it was very poor writing for a good story.

PhantomOG · May 2005

i guess rushed is the wrong word then. more or less i'm saying that the character development presented in the movies did not convince me that Anakin would have turned to the dark side when he did. chalk it up to poor writing as you said.

edit: It is *especially* disappointing considering one of the main, if not *the* main point of these 3 prequels is to explain the story of Anakin and how he became Darth Vader. All the fancy CGI and cool light saber battles don't make up for this.

fireshoes · May 2005

Originally posted by hoosier21
Here is a **** I have. The selective use of the power of the force.

I mean Yoda (and all Jedi) feel and see all this "stuff", every turn it seems a Jedi feels"x" in the force...

BUT!

Anikin doesn't know his mother is truely dying or in great danger?

Dearth Vader doesn't know he has 2 kids?

Dearth Vader doesn't know his young son (Luke) AND Obi-Wan Kenobi are in hiding on the very same planet he grew up on?

Dearth Vader doesn'y know the captured Princess Leia has the force and is his daughter?

Anakin did have visions that his mother was in pain. That's why he and Padme went to Tatooine in AOTC.

Toxis · May 2005

Originally posted by DarqueKnight
One thing I wished Lucas had spelled out was Anakin's origin. His mother said "there was no father" and that she "didn't know what happened".

Palpatine told Anakin that his former Sith master had learned how to create life from the midiclorians, which alluded to Palpatine's master being responsible for creating Anakin.

they just explained it right there. Hence why he was so powerful and had this huge amount of midiclorians.

gregure · May 2005

First of all, I don't think that Palpatine's Darth Plageus story should so blindly be accepted as the explanation of Anakin's origin. It is too vague to be a certainty. Plus, who knows if any of what Sideous said about his master was true, considering it was all a ploy to manipulate Anakin using his concern for Padme.

Second, I agree the pledging scene was too rushed. As I've said before, the whole series depended on this plotline, and it was very unconvincing. Anakin going from conflicted to total subjugation in two minutes is very unconvincing, as is his willingness to murder innocent Jedi children simply because his new master says to do so. He pledged his allegiance to save his wife, how does this instantly make him an evil Sith?

Lastly, I still think the Emperor's deformity is just another inconsistency in the plotting of the whole series. That bit about Force Lightning losing strength over distance or being dampened by clothing is simply ridiculous. It's LIGHTNING.

begbie · May 2005

Originally posted by fireshoes
Anakin did have visions that his mother was in pain. That's why he and Padme went to Tatooine in AOTC.

Why didn't the Republic free Anakin's mother towards the end of Phantom Menace? Was the kid's heroics of taking out a huge control ship and saving a planet from being taken over not good enough ? :rolleyes:

The Jedi Council also noted about the child's fear (fearful of his mom's wellbeing) in episode 1. Especially Yoda pointing out how fear leads to anger, hatred than suffering. They should've picked up on this and rescued his mom as well. Their big mistake. Their big loss.

Anyways, just another plothole that we're left to fill in the blanks. Thanks Lucas.

wingnut4772 · June 2005

Ok...here we go....

Anakin defeats Dooku while Obi lies unconscious (again) yet Obi-Wan defeats the newly dark side empowered Anakin? I was wondering about that one.

gregure · June 2005

Originally posted by wingnut4772
Ok...here we go....

Anakin defeats Dooku while Obi lies unconscious (again) yet Obi-Wan defeats the newly dark side empowered Anakin? I was wondering about that one.

Yet another inconsistency ignored to serve the plotline. One could write volumes on these inconsistencies.

In regards to not freeing Anakin's mother, this would never have been a concern of the Jedi. Younglings are "given" to the Jedi to be trained as Jedi Knights themselves. Once a child is given to the Jedi, they are trained to relinquish all attachment and are told to avoid personal relationships. They live the life of solitude and meditation, like warrior monks. The parents know when their children leave, they will not see them again. It is a lot to ask of the young Jedi children, and it is obvious that Anakin was not up the challenge. He never mastered controlling his emotions to the point that he could think logically like a Jedi without reacting emotionally.

PhantomOG · June 2005

Originally posted by gregure
Yet another inconsistency ignored to serve the plotline. One could write volumes on these inconsistencies.

with all the hype these "inconsistencies" are very disappointing.

maybe i'm just being too critical of a sci-fi flick. i was too young at the time but i wonder if the original trilogy was held up to such a level of criticism as the new one is today.

despite all my complaints i *did* enjoy seeing the movie. just the windu/emperor scene and the vader "noooo" scene made me cringe.

sterling bug · June 2005

Why is it that Obi-Wan doesn't recognize R2 or C3PO in episode IV when he rescues Luke from the sandpeople? He sure was with them enough in the prequels to not forget about them. It seems there are more questions now that the prequels are done. I did enjoy Sith but Lucas should have hired a real screenwriter and director to handle the prequels.

jdhdiggs · June 2005

Originally posted by sterling bug
Why is it that Obi-Wan doesn't recognize R2 or C3PO in episode IV

Hmm, probably because there was more than one of the R2 models made and multiple protocal droids look similar. Besides, the guy was stuck in the mountains for 20 yrs. He's a little crazy...

That said, we are all dorks!

sterling bug · June 2005

We are dorks thats for sure. Maybe Obi-Wan had his memory erased along with C3PO

Revenge of the Sith (mega spoilers)

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