Revenge of the Sith (mega spoilers)

okiepolkie

If I remember correctly, he says "I don't seem to recall ever OWNING and droids," but it does strike me as odd that he doesn't let on if he remembers them.

ND13

Just got to see the movie Sat night. I'm old enough to have seen the original at the theatre on its debut night. My biggest complaint from the first to the last is with all the other big name actors used int the movies, where the hell did they find Mark Hamill and this new kid. There are so many good actors that would have leapt at an opportunity like that. Especially with the prequels, knowing how successful the original trilogy was. Those two couldn't act there way out of a wet paper bag.

For those who thought Anakin's turn was too fast, don't you think that after he kills Windu and says "what have I done" he realizes there was no return to the Jedi ranks without them knowing?

Overall the movie does explain quite a bit. Sure, it could have been done better, but hey I liked it, my wife liked it. and the boys loved it. I can't wait for them to come out with the whole collection in a box set, competely remastered with a **** load of extra scenes or director's cuts. I will avoid purchasing the dvd of this chapter, because it seems that about a month or so after they release the dvd's they always seem to come out with a special edition or director's cut, ala LOTR Trilogy.

MacLeod

Anakin defeats Dooku while Obi lies unconscious (again) yet Obi-Wan defeats the newly dark side empowered Anakin? I was wondering about that one.

Well Obi-Wan trained Anakin so he would be the best able to beat him. Second, maybe that was a lucky shot that caught Obi-Wan by Dooko. Third, Obi-Wan didnt really beat Anakin. He jumped off to a higher spot and thus held the higher ground which is more advantageous. Anakin thought he was powerful enough to jump all the way up and over and then land behind Obi-Wan with enough time to strike. He was wrong.

One thing I wished Lucas had spelled out was Anakin's origin. His mother said "there was no father" and that she "didn't know what happened".

Qui-Gon (spelling?) answered that in Phantom Menace. "Its possible he was conceived by the midicloreans."

Why didn't the Republic free Anakin's mother towards the end of Phantom Menace? Was the kid's heroics of taking out a huge control ship and saving a planet from being taken over not good enough

Tatooine wasnt part of the republic and thus didnt have any pull to get her freed except by force.

Why is it that Obi-Wan doesn't recognize R2 or C3PO in episode IV when he rescues Luke from the sandpeople? He sure was with them enough in the prequels to not forget about them.

Like JD said, there were several RS units running around. Couldve been one of a million. Same with 3PO.

Here is a **** I have. The selective use of the power of the force.

Being strong with the force doesnt mean you know everything. The Jedi didnt know Palpatine was Darth Sideous. It gives you insight but doesnt clearly point everything out. Kind of like a politicians answers at a press conference!

ND13

Damn Mac,

Those were some pretty good come-backs, you sure your not Lucas in disguise?

MacLeod

Nah, just a 100% Star Wars geek!

ND13

Originally posted by MacLeod
Nah, just a 100% Star Wars geek!

That's Cool. We're all geeks about something. I own all thw dvd's but never have found the time to read the books, though.

Airplay355

In the beginning of the movie, why does it say "A long long time ago...in a galaxy far far away" A long time ago? WTF? Isn't this supposed to be futuristic movie in the year 9018 or something? And what's a midiclorean? Sub atomic particle? Sub-sub atomic particle? I want chemical formulas or I'm never watching these movies again.


That last question was jut to be a dick, I really want to know about the whole futuristic thing though.

fireshoes

Yep, it was a long time ago..they were just more advanced then than we are now.

Airplay355

I confused...

begbie

Though you'd think someone, anyone, from the Republic or someone from the parade they threw- would know of Anakin's distress over his mother and gather up some coin to free her? It wasn't that hard to buy off Watto was it? Everything on Tattoonie had a price so it was possible if you tried hard enough. Padme had some political strings to pull at the time. Even more reason to do so as she grew closer to Anakin. Surely a backhanded deal could've been worked out.

Plus the Jedi council "could've " freed his mother as well. Yeah, sure that's not what Jedi do but for a talented kid and this fear stirring up in him - this would've cleared his mind and his "chi", I mean force for the better. Even Anakin could've zipped back home and given up his ship to free his mom. If Watto didn't agree, I'd think Anakin could take him.

Bottomline, good movies should flow with ease. They shouldn't have inconsistencies and plotholes for an audience to fill in the blanks or even as I've seen- make up !

gregure

"A Long Time Ago, In a Galaxy Far, Far Away" is simply a tool Lucas used to create a completely independent universe that he could manipulate anyway he saw fit. It places the setting and story completley out of the realm of our reality, thus making it immune to realistic or terrestrial comparisons. It also freed him up to create a rich history that did not have to stem from our own.

Regarding Obi-Wan not recognizing R2, again, yet another inconsistency. Lucas wanted R2 and C-3PO in the prequels, but did not work very hard to tie them into originals with any consistency. Simply having 3PO's memory wiped does not explain how Kenobi doesn't remember him, or how R2 doesn't remember Kenobi for that matter. That droid is way too unique and they had been through way too much together for Kenobi to not remember. The argument that there are many droid modes is just grasping for straws. It's simply an unfortunate side effect of making the series chronologically backward, not accounting for these connections when the original was made. And the whole thing about Anakin building 3PO was way too overboard, in my opinion.

As Lucas himself said, the only part of the story that he had worked out at the time he made the original trilogy, were the main plotpoints of ROTS: Palpatine's rise to power, Anakin's turn, the birth of the twins, Anakin and Obi-Wan's final duel. Lucas worked backwards from Sith to fill in two whole movies-worth of exposition, to lead up to Sith, which is probably why they were so poor. He was basically filling up 4 hours with fluff to make room for the good stuff, which turned out to be better, but still not so great (the Vader NOOO and the Windu/Sideous scene being our biggest disappointments, and the two moments that deserved to be the most seminal in the whole trilogy). Again, adding the droids was just another way to fill the fluff with entertainment, but he did not really work too hard to explain away the obvious misconnections in the OT. Just like all the references to Anakin by Kenobi and Uncle Owen in A New Hope, which clearly indicate a relationship between Owen and Anakin, and, I would argue, indication that Anakin and Owen were truly brothers. Another side plot that Lucas totally ignored when creating the prequels.

Why do we all care so much? Because we all love these movies, especially the OT, and the story and characters were so rich and well-thought-out in the OT, especially compared to the Prequels, that it really disappoints us all that we can see all of these problems Lucas overlooked, but he did not address them. The guy has lived with this story his whole life. He certainly had enough time to think of better ways to work all these issues out.

PolkThug

Let's tear apart all the inconsistencies in the Bible next!

wingnut4772

Ha. Lucas must have written that too.

ND13

I know we all would have done certain parts of the movies different, but when you're trying to put all the info in a 2 1/2 hour movie, corners will have to be cut. It wouldn't have bothered me if it was a 4 hour movie, but the general public wouldn't sit thru anything that long. Maybe he could have split it up into 2 movies, it definitely would have raked in another billion or so. But all in all, I believe most of us enjoyed all 6 chapters, some more that others, but I will still sit down one weekend , when I have all 6, and watch them in order. Won't we all?

gregure

Originally posted by PolkThug
Let's tear apart all the inconsistencies in the Bible next!

wingnut4772: Ha. Lucas must have written that too.

Damn funny, guys. LOL.

wingnut4772

" Yea though we walk through the valley of Mustofar we shall fear no Sith"

Toxis

Originally posted by PolkThug
Let's tear apart all the inconsistencies in the Bible next!

it'd be 20 times longer than the Star Wars list. But let's not go there.

Anyone else see the **** (on Showtime) episode on the Bible? I love that one.

DarqueKnight

Originally posted by wingnut4772
Ok...here we go....
Anakin defeats Dooku while Obi lies unconscious (again) yet Obi-Wan defeats the newly dark side empowered Anakin? I was wondering about that one.

Anakin's biggest weakness was his inability to control his emotions (e.g. rushing to confront Dooku and getting zapped by lightning). This weakness negated a lot of his superior fighting ability.

Obi Wan, knowing of Anakin's emotional immaturity and impulsive nature, was obviously taunting him in order to get him to do something rash. Obi Wan's "I have the high ground" taunt was probably said with the hope that Anakin would do something foolish, like trying a "jumpover".

Anakin's leap might have been successful if he had leapt from solid ground. The fact that he leapt from a platform on a liquid (lava) surface meant that the liquid absorbed a lot of the kinetic energy of his leap. He was only able to leap slightly above Obi Wan's head and well within the range of Obi Wan's light saber. Unfortunate, that was.:eek:

MacLeod

I contend that it wasnt a taunt. I took it that Obi Wan didnt want to hurt Anakin and was trying to talk him out of fighting anymore.

wingnut4772

Me too. He did not really want to kill him.

ND13

Ditto...He loved him like a brother. He raised him.

DarqueKnight

Originally posted by wingnut4772
He did not really want to kill him.

I agree. That is why Obi Wan mutilated Anakin rather than slicing him in half the way he did Darth Maul. It may also be why he left him for dead rather than finishing him off.

I do not think Obi Wan would try to rationally talk Anakin out of fighting. I would have been a waste of precious time. By the time of their confrontation on Mustafar, Anakin was too far gone past the point of rationality (e.g. murduring innocent children).

Despite whatever feelings he had for the "old" Anakin, Obi Wan realized that the sweet little boy he raised was gone forever and that he now had had a sworn duty to "neutralize" the monster that Anakin had become.

ND13

Well all and all, he still ended up being the "chosen one" in the end anyway....

MacLeod

Originally posted by ND13
Well all and all, he still ended up being the "chosen one" in the end anyway....

HA!!

You know what, I never thought of that!!

All these years....

That is true, Anakin was the chosen one as he was the one that killed Sideous and brought balance back to the force (nevermind that he destroyed the Jedi first).

Brilliant ND!

ND13

Yeah, me and the wife were discussing that on the way home from the theater. It all worked out in the end.

Toxis

yeah the whole series of movies revolves around Anakin/Vader. I thought it was pretty obvious that he ended up being the chosen one but they tried to make it seem as if it ended up being Luke. To bad Luke sucks in comparison.

gregure

Luke never became half the Jedi Anakin was before he turned. At least not that we saw up through ROTJ.

PolkThug

Originally posted by gregure
Luke never became half the Jedi Anakin was before he turned. At least not that we saw up through ROTJ.

Like my wife said, "The light sabre battles in episodes IV-VI are painfully slow compared to episodes I-III."

wingnut4772

And R2D2 didn't 'hop' out of ships or fly or do half of the stuff he did in his younger days either.

ND13

That damn R2D2 is one "bad mother shut yo mouth".