Refreshing my RTA 15TLs

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  • bcwsrt
    bcwsrt Posts: 2,685
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    So, I can't say that I've experienced the changes over time that I've read about here. Not that that's a bad thing, though. This capacitor/resistor/binding post upgrade started out surpassing my expectations and has stayed remarkably the same way over the past 125+ hours of burn-in. I did roll the stock JJ 12AU7 back into the center position of my CM3 today after @charley96 was over yesterday and questioned the bass response from the last time he'd been here. To my surprise, that did fill the bass out more, without sacrificing the midrange presence that the RCA 5814s (Ivan's recommendation) in the outboard 12AU7 positions provide. Does this combo jive better with the new crossovers or was the bass lacking all this time and I just never noticed it, who knows? Never hurts to get others' opinions and challenge your status quo.

    Since the day-to-day has been so consistent, I've disconnected the Denon from 24/7 white noise duty and will just continue to enjoy as per normal from now on. Without a doubt, there is more punch and clarity, the soundstage is larger, the imaging is more accurate and stable and vocals are more lifelike and truer than before the cap and resistor upgrade.

    Shoutout one more time to Ivan for breathing new life back into these 30 year-old antiques. Thanks, man!
    Brian

  • EndersShadow
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    Oh man… you met @pitdogg2 …… I’m shocked you are not scarred for life.

    I know I am :smile:
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • msg
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    I've only seen photos, but pretty sure I'd be beaten up for lunch money if ever we met in real life.
    My shoes, prob'ly, as well.

    Ivan was one of those kids who hung out in the woods just off school grounds until the bell rang.
    So was @txcoastal1
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  • bcwsrt
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    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    There is a ton of decently priced 12au7's out there. How many does that piece of gear take? Are there other tubes there as well?

    There are three 12AU7s and two 12AX7s.

    They guys on Steve Hoffman say Amperex and Telefunken are the way to go for the CM3, so I have eBay searches setup for those. The ones that are popping up are fooking pricey, though.

    I'm liking those 5814 triple mica black plates in two of the three 12AU7 slots. Maybe I just need to find another single one to complete the trio.

    Obviously open to any 12AX7 recommendations!
    Brian

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  • audioluvr
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    Gustard X26 Pro DAC
    Belles 21A Pre Upgraded with Mundorf Supremes
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
    Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)


    There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus
  • bcwsrt
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    A lot of the RCA stuff has gone nuts, too.

    12AX7 choices in general, let alone economical ones, are a little slim on eBay (and the other typical sources like Brent Jesse, Upscale Audio, etc.) at the moment, unless sourced from Chyna. I'd have to check with Rogue about using the 12BZ7 as a substitute.

    The "platinum plus" version of those Raytheon AUs are on their way. USA tubes for my USA amp and speakers, love it. 🇺🇸

    Thanks for the feedback, gents!

    Brian

  • bcwsrt
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    I just wanted to follow-up on the 12BZ7 convo above before I forgot, just to close the loop on it. Nick at Rogue responded to me promptly yesterday AM. For me, it’s a no-go since I’m still under warranty. Not saying it wouldn’t still be fine, but his response didn’t give me the warm fuzzies. I didn’t see any available on the common sites at the moment, so it’s not like I could’ve jumped on anything anyway. Was a good thought, though! Gotta think outside the box in these crazy times.

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    Brian

  • bcwsrt
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    audioluvr wrote: »

    Well, you gents do not mess around when you recommend tubes on here. Very smooth and natural-sounding tube! Well-suited for contemporary jazz ... horns sound super-airy and full of lifelike timbre. Lots of mid-low midrange punch, too. Some earlier Doobie Bros. on vinyl sounds crazy-revealing and better than I think I've ever heard it. Those acoustic guitars on "Black Water" and the beat on "It Keeps You Runnin'" ... so nice!

    I need to experiment some more with various combinations of the stock JJs, the RCA 5814s that Ivan recommended and these, but with one of these matched pair in the center and those 5814s in the outside spots, I'm finding little to complain about at the moment.

    This forum is great!

    Brian

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  • dromunds
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    Stay away from JJ’s.
  • bcwsrt
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    The Tung-Sol recommendation opened up some 12AX7 options I hadn’t seen earlier. 👍
    Brian

  • audioluvr
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    bcwsrt wrote: »
    The Tung-Sol recommendation opened up some 12AX7 options I hadn’t seen earlier. 👍

    How many do you need? I think I have a pair I can donate to your journey. PM me
    Gustard X26 Pro DAC
    Belles 21A Pre Upgraded with Mundorf Supremes
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
    Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)


    There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus
  • audioluvr
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    Here's what I have in the not needed pile. Maybe someone here can shed light on their provenance. Can't guarantee the boxes match the contents.

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    Gustard X26 Pro DAC
    Belles 21A Pre Upgraded with Mundorf Supremes
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
    Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)


    There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus
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  • bcwsrt
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    92nd day of 2012? 🤷‍♂️😁

    Brian

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  • audioluvr
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    Looks like made in England. I can also see in crazy faint letters:
    2A1
    10C

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    Gustard X26 Pro DAC
    Belles 21A Pre Upgraded with Mundorf Supremes
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
    Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)


    There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus
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  • bcwsrt
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    Did Westinghouse actually manufacture any of their own tubes? I did some research on what these could be yesterday morning and it sounds like a lot of Westinghouse is rebranded and may not always be reputable RCA, GE, Raytheon, etc.

    Making Rob work hard here! 😝 Hopefully, he doesn’t mind. It’s all interesting!

    Brian

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  • audioluvr
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    Ivan, they're a flat dark grey, short smooth plate halo getter. It's dark and dingy today otherwise I'd get better pics.

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    Gustard X26 Pro DAC
    Belles 21A Pre Upgraded with Mundorf Supremes
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
    Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)


    There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus
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  • msg
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    Which one of these bulbs would fit my lava lamp?
    I disabled signatures.
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  • bcwsrt
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    Getting ready to do @xschop ’s tweeter plates and BH5 to complete these.

    Ivan sent our plates off for black anodizing, but they came back a little iffy-looking. There were what looked like some fisheyes or water spots in the finish and some scratches from some evidently careless post-process handling.

    It is what it is and we both agreed it wasn’t bad enough to send back since we keep our grills on practically all the time, but I still thought I’d see what I could do to improve them. I wanted to keep the bare anodized look, so didn’t want to cover them up with paint. These Adam’s automotive products accomplished what I was after. Didn’t do much for the scratches, but the funky-looking spots are gone.

    I used one coat of the trim restorer and two coats of the graphene coating. Should last a good, long while since they won’t be seeing too many car washes. 😝

    Before:
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    Trim restorer after application and after curing:
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    Coating:
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    Brian

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