I just pulled the trigger on a new tüübed pre....this one should be pretty sweet!

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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,885
    VR3 wrote: »
    Pics or it didn't happen

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    They are much bigger than I thought. And heavier as well. Just the PS is 39 pounds. The pre is 34 lbs. Both are in absolutely mint condition. If I didn't know any better, I'd say that they are brand new.

    The seller stated, and I quote, "You will be surprised of how "NEW" it is". Well I read that and I took that with a grain of salt. Truth be told, I actually was surprised at how new it is. Not even so much as a fingerprint or a speck of dust on her or in her. Both units.

    The remote reminds me of the Jolida JD-100 remote. It's a little bit lighter but built just as tough. Its only functions are inputs, volume up and down as well as mute. Very comfortable in the hand and easily controlled in a no light situation.

    I have some work to do while I wait for the next series of *possible* lightning storms to pass, then I can hook her up and let her start singing. These electrical storms flippin' stink down here. Last night in my area was non-stop until morning.

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    I hope this thing has synergy with my rig. We shall see...

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • halohalo Posts: 5,424
    Congrats Tom! Glad they arrived in "as described" or better than as described condition. It's always nice when things like that go in your favor. Enjoy!!
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,939
    edited January 14
    treitz3 wrote: »
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    I hope this thing has synergy with my rig. We shall see...

    Tom

    That pre is so nice, I think I would build a new rig around it if the synergy is lacking. That is a beautiful preamp.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 15,539
    edited January 14
    yes very nice Tom

    I went out looking at that manufacture, they have some sweet looking gear!!
  • TEAforONETEAforONE Posts: 330
    Congrats Tom! Looking forward to your impressions. That pre is gorgeous!!!
    First Watt,Monarchy Audio,Aric Audio,Promitheus Audio,Pro-Ject,Hornshoppe,Nola,HSU,Onkyo.
  • george danielgeorge daniel Posts: 12,026
    Congratulations
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,885
    Well, gentlemen. I have it hooked up. Lookin' good but now I have to diagnose a nasty and rather loud ground hum of the 120Hz style. Time for an adult drink and off to dive in for diagnosis.

    Never had a ground hum before in any of the kits I have had over the years, with the exception of the vinyl part of the rig (easy to take care of), so no initial impressions yet. Sorry guys.

    I did reconfigure the rig and swapped some stuff around. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out (in theory). More later...

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,939
    Look at the connection between the pre and the power supply, and the output tube. Is the noise across both channels or just one?
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,885
    Both.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,591
    Are you using a single circuit for pre and amps, or dedicated circuits for each? If the circuits are separate try grounding all the chassis together. If just a single circuit, no ideas.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,885
    Single circuit. Removing the ground plug on the pre didn't work. Ain't this fun?

    I turned everything on and will leave it this way for about 10 minutes, hum going. Gonna take a break and come back in and see if it resolves itself. The Canary has been at room temperature for over 24 hours now, FYI. I have no idea when the last time she was cranked up was.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,885
    BTW, it does not change when the volume goes up, so (again...in theory), it should be a simple fix. Just got to nail the bastage that is causing it.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,105
    edited January 14
    Hum with nothing connected? (IC’s XLR’s etc) just power cable?
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61 - AQ Niagara 5000 - SVS SB16u
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,591
    Now we know why the original owner sold it. :)

    Good luck.

    Just thinking here, but even with a single circuit try grounding all the chassis together. If it isn’t a hardware problem then it sure seems like a ground loop issue.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,683
    Unhook the subs
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,885
    Subs not in the equation right now. Input into the pre's disconnected? Same issue.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,105
    Unhook everything and slowly hook each wire up then check so on and so forth.
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61 - AQ Niagara 5000 - SVS SB16u
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,105
    Reseat the tubes?
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61 - AQ Niagara 5000 - SVS SB16u
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,814
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Reseat the tubes?

    rectifier tube for sure.
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800,Kinki Studio EX-M1
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: L.K.S MH-DA004, Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI,
    Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Organic Audio Organic 2, Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval, Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro,
    Gabriel Gold Reckoning
    Power Cables by: Cullen Cables, 6sons Audio, Swiss Cables
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,939
    Deoxit the pins and sockets, then start swapping tubes one by one.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,591
    Sounds like a few more reasons to not use 19th century technology in audio gear. Good luck.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,885
    Whoa, slow down guys. It's just a small issue I need to diagnose. No need to reinvent the wheel here.

    I think I will take a step back for tonight and sleep on what I have done. Wake up and think about a methodical approach to chasing this noise problem. If the noise does not change with the volume or input selection (even disconnected of the pre)? Then the suspect is most likely not the pre. It has to be (logically) down stream.

    With that said, the only thing new introduced into the system was the pre....so, logic dictates otherwise.

    Looks like I have my work cut out for me and this wasn't as "simple" as I thought it would be. I was honestly expecting to be back up and running in 15 minutes or less.

    Who knows? The Canary might have an issue with going through the Richard Grey Power Supply. Besides going into the unit (Canary) itself....that's my last culprit. I have already moved it away from the rest of the gear.

    Ain't this fun? (Not)

    Tom

    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,885
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Hum with nothing connected? (IC’s XLR’s etc) just power cable?

    Yes.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 24,463
    edited January 15
    treitz3 wrote: »
    BTW, it does not change when the volume goes up, so (again...in theory), it should be a simple fix. Just got to nail the bastage that is causing it.

    Tom

    EDIT: None of this will probably be news, nor particularly helpful -- but I'll share these thoughts, just in case.

    * Start with the simplest, dumbest system configuration to troubleshoot.
    * Run every component direct from a wall outlet for troubleshooting purposes -- skip any fancy-pants power conditoning.
    * Get a bag of clipleads and jumper component grounds together -- component to component -- systematically (EDIT Not helpful advise if the system is humming sans preamp connected).
    * Try a ground lift cheater on the power cord (if it's a three-wire cord).
    * Swap (i.e., try some different) 'interconnects' -- maybe one of them has an 'issue' (loose internal connection) that was exacerbated during the install.

    NB Just read the 'without the pre' comment before I posted -- that does sound like an unfortunate, coincidental 'issue' with an interconnect (?). If you have hum even sans interconnects (I assume this would be with just power amp & loudspeakers), and if you can safefly short the amp's inputs (some components don't like that -- I learned this from an unfortunate event I catalyzed for poor ol' @clipdat), try that and see if the noise is related to the inputs or not.

    PS and FWIW I am empathetic -- chasin' a noisy active preamp issue here myself albeit very slowly.

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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,939
    Where do you stand on this now Tom?
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,885
    Hi, John. Thanks for asking. I spoke with John at Canary Audio multiple times today. I have a couple of more things to check but it looks like she's headed back to Canary at this point. We have determined that it is not an impedance mismatch issue and apparently it wasn't as simple as I thought.

    I dumbed the system down to literally this - Pre>amp>speakers. The pre was on a PC with the ground pin removed and both the amp and the pre were on the same outlet, both plugged directly into said outlet. No IC's from any other component and no other gear used in any shape, form or matter.

    Same thing.

    I'll take a look inside before I send it off and see if there is anything obvious. Just didn't feel like rushing my day again to find the time to deal with it again, truth be told. I'm not even going to bother with it tonight. Just don't feel like F'n with it right now.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,105
    Thomas so disappointing, very sorry that you’re having to deal with that. Nothing worse than getting in something you have spent a lot of coin on and very excited about only to be let down by an issue like this. Hope you get it fixed soon.

    On a sidenote I don’t think I’m going to be able to make it this time around as I have to rush back home to go out of town with the wife. But I will tell you that I’m going to be up here very frequently with what we have planned for this market so there will be plenty of times in the next coming months for us to get together
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61 - AQ Niagara 5000 - SVS SB16u
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 10,588
    Yep.... Less than a week..
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,539
    @treitz3 did you try removing and re-seating the tubes or different rectifier tube(s)?
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,173
    I don’t know whatcha got on the digital side of things. This will fit in nicely . . .

    https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9e9fb-canary-audio-kd-2000-tube-dac-brings-analog-heaven-to-digital-da-converters
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    PS Audio PerfectWave Power Plant 10
    Rears Salk SuperCharged Surrounds
    Source PSA PWT into NSD Supremo
    Pre/Pro Integra DHC 40.1
    LCD Samsung LN46B750
    Mains Salk HT2-TL
    Center Salk HT2C
    Pre Cary SLP-05
    Wires WW & MIT
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