Sound & Vision reviews the Legend L800

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 30,548
    edited October 2019
    Viking64 wrote: »
    The first squirrel is the most important one.

    Good point.
    Col. Paul W Klipsch sussed that out many, many years ago.

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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 10,782
    Here's Harry, ready for a listening session with my SRS2s.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 30,548
    well... there you go, then.
  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 10,782
    :)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 47,683
    Guess I don't understand the hate here for the player selected in the review. Yes, it's two years old, but the specs and reviews for it's audio section were no slouch. It's not like he picked a sony entry 4k UHD player to play CDs on - but one would think that based on the comments. No it's not boutique, stand along CD player, but neither is Polk a boutique speaker company.

    The L800 is a $6k pair of speakers and it has SDA therefore it is definitely in the boutique class. The Panasonic is first and foremost a video player easily bettered by a good dedicated CD/SACD player on par with the quality of the speakers. The reviewer commented about a slightly bright sound. I assure you it's the associated gear not the speakers.
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  • gyosa
    gyosa Posts: 603
    edited October 2019
    Jesse ,
    With respect ...not to trying to pick a fight ...

    the L800 May be a “boutique” speaker , but Polk is certainly NOT a “boutique” speaker manufacturer....... CAVEAT - in my opinion

    They sell speakers priced form a couple hundred bucks - available at Best Buy , Fry’s , Target etc ... - up to a few thousand dollars MSRP ( usually heavily discounted ) ..... not “boutique” in my opinion when all are seen at the aforementioned stores ...
    They have, sadly , become a mass market “commodity” speaker manufacturer .....

    I love my SDA’s , always will ..... but Polk lost their way long ago , in my opinion ...
    Not to say they don’t make great speakers , they do .... just not “boutique” - or “high end” any more ....

    And I’m not saying “boutique” necessarily equates to “high end” or “quality” - because there’s a lot of “boutique” crap out there ...

    I don’t own any “boutique” equipment....generally more than I want to spend for not much commensurate “gain” ....

    When I bought my SDA’s the only place you could buy them from were dedicated audio stores - no big box stores ... that has changed ...

    Personally , $6K is gonna be a tough sell in my opinion .... lots of other choices out there with a lot more audiophile “snob appeal” , sound quality not withstanding, if you will ....
    They will be heavily discounted at some point , just like all polks eventually are ....

    Hopefully, the Legend series , and the L800 in particular , will start a new chapter in Polk history ...

    Looking forward to hearing the L800 ... I would definitely be interested in a pair ...

    Bk



    The L800 is a $6k pair of speakers and it has SDA therefore it is definitely in the boutique class. The Panasonic is first and foremost a video player easily bettered by a good dedicated CD/SACD player on par with the quality of the speakers. The reviewer commented about a slightly bright sound. I assure you it's the associated gear not the speakers.[/quote]

    Post edited by gyosa on
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,683
    edited October 2019
    gyosa wrote: »

    the L800 May be a “boutique” speaker , but Polk is certainly NOT a “boutique” speaker manufacturer....... CAVEAT - in my opinion

    They sell speakers priced form a couple hundred bucks - available at Best Buy , Fry’s , Target etc ... - up to a few thousand dollars MSRP ( usually heavily discounted ) ..... not “boutique” in my opinion when all are seen at the aforementioned stores ...
    They have, sadly , become a mass market “commodity” speaker manufacturer .....

    There are many examples of mass market, commodity, mainstream manufacturers creating a premium brand and successfully marketing it. In the Best Buy example you cited, there is the "Magnolia" brand which is a separate section in their stores dedicated to high end audio and video equipment.

    In the main, Toyota is not "luxury" car manufacturer. The company's reputation and success was built on producing fuel efficient, economical compact cars that were within reach of most consumers.

    People initially scoffed when Toyota's Lexus brand came to market. But...no one is laughing at the Lexus brand now. Furthermore, the brand's popularity quickly caught on once consumers and reviewers evaluated the cars.

    Toyota's mass market success gave them the resources to successfully launch a global luxury brand. A Lexus is a Toyota corporation product, but no one thinks of Toyota when they think of Lexus. Toyota was successful in establishing a separate premium brand identity apart from their mass market products.

    I would have preferred that Polk to further differentiated Legend as a separate brand rather than a top of the line series. In other words, the Legend speakers would carry a "Legend" badge on the grilles rather than a "polk" badge. Perhaps Polk will do that later down the line. For a while, Lexus vehicles were sold in Japan as top of the line Toyotas while Lexus was established as a luxury brand in export markets. The first Lexus LS400 in the US was marketed in Japan as the Toyota LS400.

    The same audiophiles that would immediately dismiss a Polk speaker out of turn and sight unseen, might be intrigued by a separate premium brand identity from a successful decades-old speaker manufacturer.



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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,769
    Another example of that is Kef....they make all kinds of speakers for every budget, just like Polk does. I would hope those who reviewed their top Blade speakers would also choose associated gear up to snuff for that price point.

    That's all we are saying....the associated gear has to be at least near the same quality as the speakers being reviewed. Would you demo Magico speakers, with a universal spinner ? Where do you draw the line ?

    Same with Bookies...would you use a receiver to demo some Pulsars ? On the flip side, you wouldn't use 500 buck speakers to demo 8k of associated gear your thinking of buying. Things have to be in the same neighborhood, and that's all anyone is saying.
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  • gyosa
    gyosa Posts: 603
    I do not disagree .....
    Seems silly to evaluate a $6000 pair of speakers with less than stellar equipment ....

    However , if you had all mid-fi equipment the biggest bang for your buck might just be some new high-end speakers ..... then upgrade the rest of the gear from there .

    If you’re on a budget , I’d put the majority of my money in the speakers...
    For example , if I had $6k to spend on my gear right now , I’d potentially put it into the L800’s and replace the Salks - my S300 and 851n would be good enough - bigger bang for my bucks to spend 6k on speakers than 6k on a new amp and streamer combo.

    Bk


    tonyb wrote: »
    Another example of that is Kef....they make all kinds of speakers for every budget, just like Polk does. I would hope those who reviewed their top Blade speakers would also choose associated gear up to snuff for that price point.

    That's all we are saying....the associated gear has to be at least near the same quality as the speakers being reviewed. Would you demo Magico speakers, with a universal spinner ? Where do you draw the line ?

    Same with Bookies...would you use a receiver to demo some Pulsars ? On the flip side, you wouldn't use 500 buck speakers to demo 8k of associated gear your thinking of buying. Things have to be in the same neighborhood, and that's all anyone is saying.

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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,162
    Good point @gyosa yep it is boutique, aka pricey, so most folks IMO couldn't afford to totally upgrade the entire system. Buy the speakers, check, what's next in the chain? Pre? Main amp? Cables? Yep, yep, yep, all in good time! :)
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 21,749
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    death by a thousand cuts. Some poor schmuck starts out with a Lloyds 8 track or a Soundesign boombox, then, little by little, ends up waking up one morning to...

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    Man that must suck to dust....
  • gyosa
    gyosa Posts: 603
    edited October 2019
    More likely , some poor schmuck wakes up to a divorce !

    “Honey , I thought you said the kids college fund was taken care of ....”

    Ha ha

    Bk

    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    death by a thousand cuts. Some poor schmuck starts out with a Lloyds 8 track or a Soundesign boombox, then, little by little, ends up waking up one morning to...

    60ps3jhyzts9.png

    Parasound A21 , Yamaha wxc-50 , Polk SDA 1c’s ( my first love .. ) , Kimber Kable 4TC, Sony 42” - BEDROOM

    B&K EX-442 ( it will go in my casket when I die ... ) , PS Audio 4.6 preamp ( old school , but it still jams on ... ) , Yamaha wxc-50 , Boston Acoustic voyager 7’s - POOL

    PS Audio Stellar S300 , Cambridge Audio 851n , Yamaha wxc-50 , Kimber Kable 4vs , Salk Supercharged Song towers ( difficult choice between these and my family if I had to choose ... 😩 ) , Sony XBR-A8F 65” OLED , Onkyo TX-RZ610 - DEN , MAIN RIG

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 23,854
    I think I would prefer to see Matt’s signature on these in place of the stock badges...
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 5,841
    I would rather see a "Legend" badge than a "Princess Bride" badge or even a "Neverending Story" badge.
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,683
    I think I would prefer to see Matt’s signature on these in place of the stock badges...

    Matt might disagree, since the L800 was largely Scott Orth's creation.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 23,854
    I think I would prefer to see Matt’s signature on these in place of the stock badges...

    Matt might disagree, since the L800 was largely Scott Orth's creation.

    Perhaps, but they still hang his name above the door.
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 10,782
    edited October 2019
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I would rather see a "Legend" badge than a "Princess Bride" badge or even a "Neverending Story" badge.

    Watch it there, I might call on Atreyu to search you out. :p

    I can see Tom Cruise getting a set of these new speakers too.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,612
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  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,624
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    S&V usually has at least very basic measurements like frequency response on a simple plot don't they?!?

    I am waiting for Stereophile to do measurements.
    They are probably the only one I truly trust (to some degree at least)
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 30,548
    K_M wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    S&V usually has at least very basic measurements like frequency response on a simple plot don't they?!?

    I am waiting for Stereophile to do measurements.
    They are probably the only one I truly trust (to some degree at least)

    JA, to his credit, does a good job of taking measurements and presenting them clearly enough (and sometimes even correlating what he measures to what he -- and sometimes even what the reviewer -- hears).

    I just wanna see some impedance curves; FR curves would be nice but not sure they'll be interpretable for the Big Boy L800 due to the SDA wiring. Maybe (???) one, in mono, sans interconnect.



  • polrbehr
    polrbehr Posts: 2,768
    K_M wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    S&V usually has at least very basic measurements like frequency response on a simple plot don't they?!?

    I am waiting for Stereophile to do measurements.
    They are probably the only one I truly trust (to some degree at least)

    Why don't you listen to them first, then decide if you want to bother knowing how they measured? I recall thinking the frequency response for my SVS looked impressive, but honestly? I would never show anyone that piece of paper and tell them that it can rattle my house like the actual subwoofer can.
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,624
    polrbehr wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    S&V usually has at least very basic measurements like frequency response on a simple plot don't they?!?

    I am waiting for Stereophile to do measurements.
    They are probably the only one I truly trust (to some degree at least)

    Why don't you listen to them first, then decide if you want to bother knowing how they measured? I recall thinking the frequency response for my SVS looked impressive, but honestly? I would never show anyone that piece of paper and tell them that it can rattle my house like the actual subwoofer can.

    Since they just came out, and most likely will be reviewed by several in the business, meant I would rather see Sterophile's review over Sound and vision was all.

    To me a measurement from stereophile allows me to compare to other speakers we own or have owned and they also measured. To see the basic tonality etc.

    I doubt I will listen to them before reading a review, simply based on lack of time.
  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,624
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    S&V usually has at least very basic measurements like frequency response on a simple plot don't they?!?

    I am waiting for Stereophile to do measurements.
    They are probably the only one I truly trust (to some degree at least)

    JA, to his credit, does a good job of taking measurements and presenting them clearly enough (and sometimes even correlating what he measures to what he -- and sometimes even what the reviewer -- hears).

    I just wanna see some impedance curves; FR curves would be nice but not sure they'll be interpretable for the Big Boy L800 due to the SDA wiring. Maybe (???) one, in mono, sans interconnect.



    I am always able to get a good "Idea" of what a speaker will be like based on their review and measurements.

    At least much closer to the truth, than some of the owner reviews, that tend to go all over the place and lack details to set up and so on.
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 3,733
    I used to receive copies of S&V because they would not stop sending them to me for a few years after I stopped paying for a subscription. Their reviews pretty much amount to repeating published specs and saying what things look like. Not worthwhile. Stereophile is about as useless but for different reasons. I do still have an Absolute Sound subscription though. I think they’d do a good review.
  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,624
    gyosa wrote: »
    Jesse ,
    With respect ...not to trying to pick a fight ...

    the L800 May be a “boutique” speaker , but Polk is certainly NOT a “boutique” speaker manufacturer....... CAVEAT - in my opinion

    They sell speakers priced form a couple hundred bucks - available at Best Buy , Fry’s , Target etc ... - up to a few thousand dollars MSRP ( usually heavily discounted ) ..... not “boutique” in my opinion when all are seen at the aforementioned stores ...
    They have, sadly , become a mass market “commodity” speaker manufacturer .....

    I love my SDA’s , always will ..... but Polk lost their way long ago , in my opinion ...
    Not to say they don’t make great speakers , they do .... just not “boutique” - or “high end” any more ....

    And I’m not saying “boutique” necessarily equates to “high end” or “quality” - because there’s a lot of “boutique” crap out there ...

    I don’t own any “boutique” equipment....generally more than I want to spend for not much commensurate “gain” ....

    When I bought my SDA’s the only place you could buy them from were dedicated audio stores - no big box stores ... that has changed ...

    Personally , $6K is gonna be a tough sell in my opinion .... lots of other choices out there with a lot more audiophile “snob appeal” , sound quality not withstanding, if you will ....
    They will be heavily discounted at some point , just like all polks eventually are ....

    Hopefully, the Legend series , and the L800 in particular , will start a new chapter in Polk history ...

    Looking forward to hearing the L800 ... I would definitely be interested in a pair ...

    Bk



    The L800 is a $6k pair of speakers and it has SDA therefore it is definitely in the boutique class. The Panasonic is first and foremost a video player easily bettered by a good dedicated CD/SACD player on par with the quality of the speakers. The reviewer commented about a slightly bright sound. I assure you it's the associated gear not the speakers.

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    I never saw Polk as High end or Botique, but more a brand that had very good sound and reasonably priced.
    They were never hard to find, and while not initially mass market exactly, they were far from botique high end speakers also.

    Even the top of the line SDA SRS, used for the most part, stuff that was in their lower level speaker also.

    The woofers and tweeters and box construction was never high cost items as with some true high end stuff, even back then.

    They used particle board, stamped frame woofers and stuff that equated to most average stuff of the time.

    B+W and Infinity and a few others, were simply in another league, Driver and enclosure wise.

    None of that mattered exactly as High end or Botique is not guarantee of great sound.

    The older Polks mostly sounded great overall especially in comparison to a lot of average "Hi Fi" stuff back then.

    But it never pretended to be high end, just good sound that was affordable.

  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 9,971
    They used MDF for the higher end speakers not particle board.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 21,749
    Nightfall wrote: »
    They used MDF for the higher end speakers not particle board.

    First gen SRS was particle board... fwiw. Then they started routing grooves inside the cabinet to break up standing waves..