Sound & Vision reviews the Legend L800

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  • DabutcherDabutcher Posts: 2,128
    Thanks for sharing. Peace. D
    MIT Magnum MH-750, Monster HTS 5100MKII, Mitsubishi rear projection 73, PS4, PSW505 , Sunfire Signature Grand 425 x 4,Parasound hca 120, RTi12, FXiA6, CSiA6, SDA SRS 1.2, Pioneer Elite SC63 , Pioneer Elite BDP-05



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  • stones89stones89 Posts: 231
    Yep, thanks for sharing. Interesting, would love to hear these babies compared to my 2.3tl's.
    Basis 2200 Signature, Vector 4, Transfiguration Proteus, Allnic H3000, Meridian 200/563, CJ ET5, McIntosh 501's, Thiel CS6, 3.6, Polk SDA SRS 2.3tl, MIT EVO, KS/Wywires PC's
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,395
    stones89 wrote: »
    Yep, thanks for sharing. Interesting, would love to hear these babies compared to my 2.3tl's.

    I was thinking the exact same thing the entire time I was reading the review. :p
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,454
    edited October 24
    Thanks.
    I shall peruse anon.

    FWIW, I would love to see Stereophile review 'em (or any of the Legend series, for that matter), to see some quantitative data (to wit, I'd really like to see the measured impedance curve). Unfortunately, since S&V and Stereophile have the same ownership at this point, I doubt that'll happen :(

    EDIT:
    AT A GLANCE

    Plus
    Enveloping soundstage from SDA-Pro tech
    Dynamic, full-range sound
    Flush-mounted elevation module option

    Minus
    Somewhat bulky cabinet design
    Requires SDA-Pro interconnect cable

    "Somewhat bulky cabinet design" ?!?! :p Jeepers, what a silly kvetch.
    (the other minus is pretty silly, too)

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    I know, right....pretty soon it will be a minus if a speaker requires cables at all. Looks to me like he was searching for something to put on the negative side.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,454
    edited October 24
    tonyb wrote: »
    I know, right....pretty soon it will be a minus if a speaker requires cables at all.

    "pretty soon" ?!?

    ;)
    Looks to me like he was searching for something to put on the negative side.
    Yeah, exactly. To me, it looks like their implicit conclusion is that the biggest negative is that there's no negative. :)


  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,454
    PS nice synopsis:
    Polk Audio clearly packed a lot of history, effort, and love into its new statement speaker...
    source: https://www.soundandvision.com/content/polk-audio-legend-l800-loudspeaker-review-page-2#QKhfpJLGwKiXAZzi.99
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,975
    S&V usually has at least very basic measurements like frequency response on a simple plot don't they?!?
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Excite x18; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,454
    edited October 24
    Well... Stereo Review did. Dunno about S&V. I cancelled my subscription about 2 months after the change (which, yeah, was quite some time ago).

    There's jack diddley (as we used to say) in this particular review, though. :|
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 8,334
    tonyb wrote: »
    I know, right....pretty soon it will be a minus if a speaker requires cables at all. Looks to me like he was searching for something to put on the negative side.

    This is something I mentioned in the review of the L200: negativity is ubiquitous, and can be quite implicit. Searching for negativity is a bad trait for a reviewer. He also complained that the SDA cable had to be "stretched on the floor between the speakers." Sheesh. There is implicit bias as well with many reviewers, (not just audio either.)
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,715
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Well... Stereo Review did. Dunno about S&V. I cancelled my subscription about 2 months after the change (which, yeah, was quite some time ago).

    There's jack diddley (as we used to say) in this particular review, though. :|

    Agree there used to be a smidgen more meat to their testing. They have not in years used (or at least published) results for all 5,7,9,11 channels used power ratings on amps or receivers. I miss that stuff, it would at least give you a basic idea of how much grunt the power supply had.
  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,511
    The author was writing for the target audience of the magazine, which is people who are into neat and minimally obtrusive lifestyle home theater systems. Sound seems to have become of secondary interest to them over the years, but they do focus on system setups and display screens pretty well.

    I think he hit his target with the review. Fussy purchasers may not get why an extra cable is needed or why the cabinet is so wide. A sales person is going to have to explain it, but I would not be surprised if some people who purchase the L800s are going to set them up so they're toed in anyway!
    1. Polk LSiM707, 704C, 703; Dual SVS SB2000 subwoofers; Marantz SR7011 receiver; Parasound A23 amp; Oppo 205; Sony 65" 4K TV; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S2 cables
    2. JM Labs Electra 920.1; Sonic Frontiers Line 3 Preamp; Classe Model 25 amp; Sony HAP-Z1ES; Oppo 105D; Music Hall MMF7 and Acoustech phono pre; PS Audio Power Director; MIT S1 Cables
    3. Polk LSiM703; Parasound JC2BP and A21; Sony 48" 4K TV; Wyred4Sound DAC 2; Oppo 203; Squeezebox Touch; MIT S3 cables
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,966
    He was at Polk the day I was there. Seemed rather distant like he wasn't happy to be there or something.

    I question his choice of associated gear.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    I will one day own the L800, yes I will. 😝
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,454
    F1nut wrote: »
    He was at Polk the day I was there. Seemed rather distant like he wasn't happy to be there or something.

    I question his choice of associated gear.

    I took the choice of associated gear to be representative of the S&V core audience's interests... but I may mis-interpret them.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,216
    VR3 wrote: »
    I will one day own the L800, yes I will. 😝

    Upgrading those crossovers will require a second mortgage even at dealer costs. Good luck trey!
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 8,358
    edited October 24
    From the beginning of the review;

    The specific tweaks made for SDA-Pro include a 15-degree angle to the speaker baffles for both the regular and Dimension driver arrays. This eliminates any need for speaker toe-in since it's already built into the design.

    When did SDAs ever need toeing in? :(

    I'm now going back to continue reading... ;)

    His review made me reminisce about my first experiences with the SDA-SRS2's I was given. To hear sounds come from such an expanse has to be heard in person to truly understand its glory. :p B)

    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,241
    edited October 24
    "The first cut I played was an audiophile classic, "Time," from Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon (CD layer of a multichannel hybrid SACD)."

    Why would he play the Redbook layer of a hybrid SACD?

    Furthermore, why is he using a Panasonic DMP-UB900 Ultra HD Blu-ray player for CD playback?
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,966
    Ed Zachary
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    Clipdat wrote: »
    "The first cut I played was an audiophile classic, "Time," from Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon (CD layer of a multichannel hybrid SACD)."

    Why would he play the Redbook layer of a hybrid SACD?

    Furthermore, why is he using a Panasonic DMP-UB900 Ultra HD Blu-ray player for CD playback?

    This is why you have to take many of these magazine reviews with a grain of salt. As a professional reviewer, I would be ashamed. When 6 moons does a review, you get the meat most others leave out.



    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,975
    edited October 24
    Again, target audience: IF I was going to actually play a silver disc (which I’m not lol), it would be through my cambridge 752BD, a universal blu ray player, because that’s all I got. BUT...I would never review gear for a publication...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Excite x18; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,180
    edited October 24
    Geez. What a bunch of whiners. A good review gets published, and the whiners start complaining.

    Edit: Sorry if I offended anyone. I have calmed down, and removed the unnecessary verbiage.
    Post edited by BlueFox on
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    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • GospelTruthGospelTruth Posts: 381
    Guess I don't understand the hate here for the player selected in the review. Yes, it's two years old, but the specs and reviews for it's audio section were no slouch. It's not like he picked a sony entry 4k UHD player to play CDs on - but one would think that based on the comments. No it's not boutique, stand along CD player, but neither is Polk a boutique speaker company.

    Audio section of the DP-UP900
    Panasonic clearly designed this player with audiophiles in mind. While it can’t play SACD or DVD-Audio discs as some universal audio players do, it does support playback of a variety of hi-res audio formats (besides the usual Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio) from attached USB drives or streamed over a wired or wireless network, supported by a 192-kilohertz/32-bit DAC. These include FLAC (up to 192/24, 5.1channel), WAV (192/32, two-channel), ALAC (96/32 up to 7.1-channel or 192/32 in 5.1-channel), and DSD (2.8 megahertz up to 5.1-channel and 5.6 mHz in two-channel). The company says it used high-quality analog circuit components for that part of the audio chain.

    The newer player, the DP-UB9000 even out performs the OPPO-205 audio section which many here love. Neither Panasonic player plays SACD or DVD audio. That is the drawback to these players, but they do play from a hi rez music from a USB drive if you have your music ripped or downloaded there. The reviewer could have done that if they wanted hi rez, but chose not to do it. Don't know why.

    The latest Panasonic review:
    https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/video-player/blu-ray/panasonic-dp-ub9000-ultra-hd-4k-blu-ray-player-review-part-2-audio/

    The review in my mind was positive - regardless of the sources used. He sounded like I did the first time I got my 2Bs. I kept putting in CD after CD in the player and filtering through my music to see what next to put on the those speakers. Everything was like listening to music all over again. I got that sense from the review. The negatives were "size", which he said was needed for the SDA and they still went well with his decor. I do agree his "minus" remarks were pretty insignificant based on everthing else he said the Polks did so well.

    Speakers
    Energy RC-70 Mains, Energy RC-LRC Center, Energy RC-R (x4) Rear Channels, Energy RC-R (x2) Front Effects
    Polk 5jr+
    Polk SDA 2B
    Polk SDS 3.1TL

    Equipment
    Panamax 5510 Re-generator Power Conditioner
    Yamaha RX-V3800 Receiver
    Digital Sources: Sony CDP-X339ES CD Player, HHB CDR830 BurnIt Professional CD Recorder, Sony PS3, Oppo DV-983H DVD Player
    Analog Sources: Sony TC-K890ES Cassette, Nakamichi DR-1 Cassette, Technics SL-7 Turntable
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,395
    Another thing stuck out for me:

    "The original SDA models dealt with the issue of interaural crosstalk in a purely acoustic way by using a second set of drivers (the Dimension Array) on each speaker. These directed a "cancellation" signal—essentially, an out-of-phase version of the sound being emitted by the opposite speaker."

    Wasn't this "cancellation signal" an "out-of-phase version" of the interaural crosstalk as opposed to an "out-of-phase version" of the "the sound being emitted by the opposite speaker"?

    It seems that producing an out-of-phase version of the entire signal coming from the stereo drivers (as opposed to the SDA drivers) would possibly degrade the sound in some way. I thought part of the uniqueness of the L800s was the beveled baffle. Or are the classic SDAs closer in design to the Legends than I originally perceived?

    -WCNFSD in Cincinnati

  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,486
    I believe you are seeing what regurgitation looks like versus understanding
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,519
    SDA technology uses the "Difference signal", obtained by simply going across both positive terminals to create, the difference, or what is not on both channels equally.

    In other words, the opposite of a Summed signal or "Mono"

    Out of phase is simply one signal inverted.

    Same thing as the Early Hafler Circuit, as mentioned in the past.
    Except the hafler circuit placed speakers in the rear of the room, SDA places them literally on the baffle close to the normal stereo drivers.

    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
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    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,519
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    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Electro Voice EV-SIX
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    I dunno man, you guys are arguing over split hairs in my view. Personally, as an audiophile, I could care less if there's 2 squirrels on a wheel in there, as long as it sounds good, who cares what technology is used.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,501
    tonyb wrote: »
    I dunno man, you guys are arguing over split hairs in my view. Personally, as an audiophile, I could care less if there's 2 squirrels on a wheel in there, as long as it sounds good, who cares what technology is used.

    Reported for cruelty to animals... :p
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,454
    But... are they peak squirrels or RMS squirrels?

    asking for a friend.

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