Does anyone build a decent soundbar?

steveinaz
steveinaz Posts: 19,351
edited October 2019 in Speakers
Looking for recommendations for 2 or 2.1 soundbar system at or under $300. Seems like looking at reviews on a number of different brands----LOTS of problems.

I was looking at Yamaha's offerings. Don't need anything earth shaking, don't need 10 million features and/or Alexa. Just a good/solid 2 channel soundbar that doesn't die in 14 months.
Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amplifier: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,171
    Good question....the hard part may be "doesn't die in 14 months".

    An alternative could be a slim line receiver and some small bookies. Like a Marantz slim line and a pair of small Elac's.
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  • tratliff
    tratliff Posts: 1,171
    I think the biggest problem you will encounter is the budget.
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,944
    Only soundbar that I think is worth the coin is the Sonos, although it’s not $300.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,351
    It amazes me that I have a pair of self-powered computer speakers (JBL) that were $29 bucks, and are now 19+ years old---and still work, but I can't find a damn $200+ dollar soundbar that doesn't die in under 2 years. Frustrating.
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  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 1,926
    I've had my Samsung for years with no problems. It's nothing special, but maybe that's why it has lasted so long. It's a 2.1 with a small passive sub included.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,225
    motorhead43026 wrote: »
    I bought 3 Polk Magnifi Mini 3-4 years ago. Never have I had a problem with either and 2 of these get daily use several hrs a day, all day on most weekends.

    Should be right in your price range.

    emphases added

    I mean --- I am bad at math, but there's something funny about this endorsement?! B)

    so -- what of the third one, dare I ask?

    ;)
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,122
    edited October 2019
    I would just buy these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PSB-Alpha-PS-1-Powered-Speakers-Computer-Speakers-Studio-Monitors-PAIR/292035042856

    sub out included: add a small sub at less than $200 and you’ll be really close to budget and have true stereo sound and far better sound quality. Does lack a dac you can pick up a very decent one for cheap these days...
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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 3,686
    edited October 2019
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    motorhead43026 wrote: »
    I bought 3 Polk Magnifi Mini 3-4 years ago. Never have I had a problem with either and 2 of these get daily use several hrs a day, all day on most weekends.

    Should be right in your price range.

    emphases added

    I mean --- I am bad at math, but there's something funny about this endorsement?! B)

    so -- what of the third one, dare I ask?

    ;)


    My girlfriend owns #3, no problems with it.

    I should have said neither have been a problem.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,351
    edited October 2019
    I'm gonna try the Yamaha YAS-108.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D73HMVR/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


    My TV audio is already routed thru the Main rig via Toslink, so I just needed an upgrade to the almost non-existent sound coming from the Vizio P65-F1 when I don't want the big setup on.
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  • WagnerRC
    WagnerRC Posts: 2,014
    I bought my son the Yamaha that Costco offered. It sounded great. Yamaha is a great choice
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  • WagnerRC
    WagnerRC Posts: 2,014
    Costco’s price is 149.00
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,205
    Sonos is the only affordable sound bar and sub woofer on the market worth spending money on.
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 7,614
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    ZVOX makes a good product this ones 6 years running never an issue you can st up to a 65 inch on top. It has a 75 W amp built in and a down firing sub, also has pre outs so you can hook up a powered sub behind or off to the side for you.

    Has that sound enhancer in it you can you can hear gunshots off to the sides and behind you. Watching watching Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scott's with it is sure a treat. Nice for a living room or bedroom this baby easily fills a good size room. We often watch movies in the bedroom instead of heading down to the HT room.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,360
    I too have heard good things about Zvox. I personally have not had the chance to get ears on one.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 11,530
    ZVOX is really good
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,039
    Get a Woodbourne. Great for TV. Good for music too.
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,134
    I have a Polk soundbar... An SB 5000BT... It works ok ... Have had it for 3+ years. I wish it had HDMI but it don't so use it with optical...The sub is meh....like all polk subs... I wish I could hook up an external sub but haven't taken the time to figure out if but I don't think there is any option. Maybe I can RCA out from the DTV mini to a sub.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,225
    Re-reading the title of this thread gave me pause -- it seems to imply that there's a market for indecent soundbars?!?

    I guess those are built with indiscreet components...?

    B)
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,351
    edited October 2019
    Well, it seems like its almost an impossible feat to build a soundbar that lasts. The biggest complaints seem to be (from many different manufacturers) "my soundbar quit working." You'd think a soundbar would be a pretty simple thing to build with durability, especially with todays digital amp technology. Like I mentioned earlier, how come a cheap pair of powered computer speakers can lasts, but we can't make a soundbar last? My vizio (that died too) had GREAT reviews, was on many "budget best buy" lists, and died after 14 months. It just ceased to work; BUT apparently there is a lucky 60% of owners whose bar has not had a problem. That's a pretty poor failure rate for a fairly simple piece of equipment. I don't even use any of the advanced features, I just simply use it as a better TV speaker system.


    Hopefully the Yamaha will fare better.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,171
    Good luck with it Steve.

    I think part of the conundrum is, one part built in obsolesce, and another part is just form and function over longevity. How many soundbars you gonna sell if they lasted 20 years ?

    It's not just soundbars, but across most consumer products.

    That Zvox thing looks interesting. I've heard of them before but never really looked at any reviews.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,225
    edited October 2019
    One would think -- yes. :|

    Maybe the same issue that plagues powered (Class AB) subwoofers with plate amps (or some A/V receivers, for that matter) is the root cause for many of the soundbar failures? I.e., heat buildup. Yeah, not too much heat generated (i.e., power wasted) by the Class D amps -- but there is some, and presumably there's a CPU and some signal processing firepower inside the soundbars generating heat, as well.

    Then again, maybe they're just carefully and deliberately designed to fail fairly quickly. :(Planned obsolescence is, of course, alive and well in the 'digital age'.



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  • decal
    decal Posts: 3,164
    ZVox, but you're gonna have to pony up the cash.
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 2,955
    Zvox covers a wider price point than they used to. They have some below the $300 line now and the company appears to have responsive customer service. One cool thing they do now is integrate a special dialogue enhancement feature for people who use hearing aids.

    A one year warranty applies, but reviews of their products on Amazon don’t seem to indicate many break down issues. There are obviously many problems with soundbar electronics caused by cheap engineering and parts. But, I would also not be surprised if some of the problems are caused by users expecting too much of them in terms of trying to get a home theater experience out of a small plastic box. I would not recommend expecting much beyond getting better tv sound out of one unless it’s above the $1K mark.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,351
    Yes, the Zvox seem to get really good reviews, and it looks like a quality product. Maybe the "SVS" of soundbars?
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 2,955
    If I was in the market, I’d go for this model with a 42 inch TV...

    https://www.amazon.com/ZVOX-SoundBase-Subwoofer-Bluetooth-AccuVoice/dp/B00O96PD9O

    can apparently connect an external subwoofer too.
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    2. JM Labs Electra 920.1; Parasound JC2 and JC5; Sony HAP-Z1ES; Marantz SA8004 SACD; Music Hall MMF7 and Acoustech phono pre; PS Audio P1000; MIT S1 Cables
    3. Polk LSiM703; Anthem Pre-2L SE; Parasound A21; Sony 48" 4K TV; Wyred4Sound DAC 2; Oppo 203; Squeezebox Touch; PS Audio Power Director 4.7; MIT S3 cables
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,134
    I like this one...

    https://www.bluesound.com/products/pulse-soundbar/

    Can also accommodate an external sub as well.
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,614
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    I like this one...

    https://www.bluesound.com/products/pulse-soundbar/

    Can also accommodate an external sub as well.

    Way over the OP's stated price cap.
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,134
    edited October 2019
    halo wrote: »
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    I like this one...

    https://www.bluesound.com/products/pulse-soundbar/

    Can also accommodate an external sub as well.

    Way over the OP's stated price cap.

    I said I like it.... Didn't say he should. B)
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
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  • anonymouse
    anonymouse Posts: 2,671
    I use the Polk original SDA soundbar. It needs a receiver, but I'm quite happy with it. Decent simulated surround in the sweet spot.
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